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Gata Kamsky vs Magnus Carlsen
World Cup (2007), Khanty-Mansiysk RUS, rd 6, Dec-10
Russian Game: Modern Attack. Center Variation (C43)  ·  1-0

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Dec-11-07  arnaud1959: I've hard time to play positions like this. It's a strategical position but the pawn structure is hard to define. On move 17 White has 3 weak pawns (b2,d3,e5) but are they really weak. I think Kamsky handles this kind of position very well.
Dec-11-07
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  chancho: Anyone noticed how extremely packed the audience seats were for this momentous game?

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

Dec-11-07  ounos: <Larsker: <actually, in the live webcam today carlsen seemed to be very nervous, pacing back and forth and playing with his fingers.> He's always rather nervous when playing chess.> Indeed. The last time I saw him, (playing Black against Sutowski) he was showing way too anxious. He is not at ease at all. I wonder how he copes with all the pressure on him.
Dec-11-07
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  Everett: <arnaud1959: I've hard time to play positions like this>

That makes you, Carlsen and the rest of us.

Not in our group are only a few GM's, so don't feel bad!

Dec-11-07
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  Everett: Going over the game, overprotection and blockade are all over the place. Nimzo or Petrosian would play in similar styles, the latter especially with the nature of a locked center and play on the wings as shown in this game.
Dec-12-07  fuerst: <Carlsen cannot be compared to Fischer because of the sheer difference in playing styles. Fischer=intiative, crush your opponent. Carlsen=lengthy maneuvering and hope your opponent makes a mistake, aka Kramnik.> Actually I THINK IT AIN'T IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY THAT Kramnik is not very distant stylewise when compared to Fischer. Though they are different characterwise.
Dec-12-07  badest: <fuerst: Actually I THINK IT AIN'T IMPOSSIBLE TO SAY THAT Kramnik is not very distant stylewise when compared to Fischer. Though they are different characterwise.> Well, nothing is impossible, but this is just too much. Just take a typical Kramnik-game and a typical Fischer-game. Oceans apart. Topalov (at his best) plays way more like Fischer, than K does.
Dec-12-07  KamikazeAttack: <Topalov (at his best) plays way more like Fischer, than K does.>

Topalov is the new Fischer now, omg???

Dec-12-07  badest: <Topalov is the new Fischer now, omg???> How you deduce that from what I wrote above is a mystery to me... hmmm can you read?
Dec-12-07  KamikazeAttack: <badest: <Topalov is the new Fischer now, omg???> How you deduce that from what I wrote above is a mystery to me... hmmm can you read?>

How dare u compare Topalov to Fischer?

:)

Dec-12-07  TIMER: <KamikazeAttack> You undervalue Topalov- remember the first half of San Luis? That was very Fischeresque.
Dec-12-07  k0mi: I still think Topalov's playing style is very much like Topalov's and Carlsen's is most comparable to Carlsen's.
Dec-12-07  KamikazeAttack: <TIMER: <KamikazeAttack> You undervalue Topalov- remember the first half of San Luis? That was very Fischeresque.>

Hmm not sure about San Louis, but I sure remember Elista.

Dec-12-07  KamikazeAttack: <k0mi: I still think Topalov's playing style is very much like Topalov's and Carlsen's is most comparable to Carlsen's.>

So true lol.

Dec-12-07  TIMER: <KamikazeAttack> Note that badest had 'at his best' in brackets.
Dec-12-07  KamikazeAttack: Timer, forget badest. She is a joke!
Dec-12-07  arnaud1959: According to the the database this is Carlsen's 3rd loss in a row with Petrov. The two others were in 2005 so he waited 2 years before being confident about playing it again. Strange decision for a world cup semi-final though as the result is a disaster, more than just a lost game.
Dec-12-07  KamikazeAttack: Carlsen is still in the experimental stage. He will find his level as per openings in a fews years.
Dec-12-07  badest: <KamikazeAttack: Timer, forget badest. She is a joke!> Ok, I don't mind being a joke, but you want to be able to distinguish gender at least. Or you'll have a major problem at bars and clubs... :)
Dec-12-07  KamikazeAttack: <badest: <KamikazeAttack: Timer, forget badest. She is a joke!> Ok, I don't mind being a joke, but you want to be able to distinguish gender at least. Or you'll have a major problem at bars and clubs... :)>

LMAO. I know. U r a "she" to me though :P

Dec-14-07  Discerning King: Did anybody Say Mitchel Report!! Chess should have a HGH... but in the case of this game it should be a Brain Stimulant Report...
Dec-15-07
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  tamar: <Magnus made a mistake in the opening, when playing 8...Nc6 instantly, he soon discovered that 9.Nc3 immediately led to position that he had tried to avoid all along (by playing Be7 and Bg4). Neither Bxf3 gxf3 nor Bb4 Nxe4! with a strong initiative for the exchange appealed to Magnus. After a very unusual 40 minutes think he decided to play Bg6 knowing that after Bd2 white would have a long term advantage. Kamsky later went on to develop his initiative efficiently and after some further inaccuracies from Magnus it turned out that the position was nearly hopeless.> from Henrik Carlsen's Blog 12/14/07
Dec-17-07  Eyal: Kamsky in an interview, in response to the question what was the critical position of the game:

<I think the critical position was when he played Nxd2. Possibly Nxc3 was an improvement, because once he takes on d2 the position is kind of semi-closed, and the knights in that kind of position are much stronger than the bishops. And then he played the plan of Rfe8 and Bf8 and it turned out to be not so great – I mean, possibly he should improve with g6, not allow my knight on h5; because once my knight is on h5 then knight goes to f6 or f4 with forks – very unpleasant for Black. After I played Nh5 I realized that Black's knight on c6 is not that great – he's kind of cut off, and in front of the 'c' pawn, and the position is still closed, and after Nf4 Black's pieces will have no squares, because I will take control over the d5 and e6 squares; and I thought the position for White was much more pleasant to play with. So he got into a difficult position – that's how it came out.> (http://www.ugra-chess.ru/eng/news_e...)

Jan-01-08  minasina: http://chesspro.ru/chessonline/onli... (Translated: http://www.google.com/translate?u=h... The board is not functioning at the translated page.)
Dec-02-18  ACMEKINGKRUSHER: Time will TELL! It SURE Did Here!!
Now we See that MAGNUS has the EDGE over Gata 3 to 2 with 6 DRAWS! By the way HE IS THE 4 Time WORLD Champion now 10 to 11 years Later! AMAZING! Gata's still playing and even played for the PCA World Championship against ANAND. WOW! GO MAGNUS! 4 Time WORLD CHAMPION!
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