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Vassily Ivanchuk vs Magnus Carlsen
Morelia-Linares (2008), Linares ESP, rd 8, Feb-28
Spanish Game: Berlin Defense. Rosenthal Variation (C67)  ·  0-1



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Feb-28-08  mikejaqua: I like this new approach to the game that Carlsen has adopted. WIN WITH BLACK! I really do wonder if he puts in a great amount of home prep time from the black side.

BTW, the experts say Chucky's blunder was 20 Qc4. It should have been Qd1.

Feb-28-08  Gegga: Magnus is just great otb (over the board). Strange thing he forgets lines, his memory is supposed to be great, but it seems like players like Topalov remember openings better...
Feb-28-08  minasina: this was live commentary with IM Miodrag Perunovic and Goran Urosevic
Feb-28-08  whatthefat: Seems to be a game of hanging rooks.
Feb-28-08  minasina: <Ivanchuk has just lost on time, while he was making his 40th move in a lost position. A second drama for the Ukrainian, who had a very good and possibly winning position for a long time against Carlsen. According to the screen that’s showing the games at the stage, Ivanchuk had two seconds left, but the real clock had no mercy. “Luckily I was winning anyway,”...> (See <Xaurus> post above)
Feb-28-08  veigaman: <acirce> <: <Be honest and just admit that this is a horrible game by 2700+ standards. And not the first one in this tournament, either> It would be interesting to compare (with the currents engines available in the market) with some old competitions as for example san sebastian 1911 linares 2008 specially that people says chess is " much better" now because of them.
Feb-28-08  veigaman: By the way, I think that carlsen defended with intensity and fought hard to hold the position and he was still able to find tactical and emotional resources to become a lost game in a won game.
Feb-29-08  ahmadov: A very bad play by Chucky... What happened to him?

Meanwhile, congratulations to Carlsen and his fans for this win!

Feb-29-08  mr.fisk: Chucky was out of time by move 20, that's what happened.
Feb-29-08  ahmadov: <mr.fisk: Chucky was out of time by move 20, that's what happened.> The fact that he was out of time by move 20 shows that something happened to him lately :-)
Feb-29-08  AdrianP: The script to this game is not dissimilar to Van Wely v Carlsen at Corus this year. Carlsen gets himself into a horrible, objectively losing, position out of the opening, but 'swindles' a win by creating complications in time-trouble. One possibility is that Carlsen is deliberately going in for offbeat lines where against correct play he's going to end up worse, and often substantially so (his comments in relation to Carlsen - Topalov, more or less suggest as much). Another possibility is that he is already so superior to even superGMs in (some) complicated middlegames and endgames that he is being held back by his unpolished opening repertoire. A third possibility is that his prodigious tactical skill has a psychological effect on (even) superGMs which knocks them off their normal game. These possibilities are not mutually exclusive.

A large part of his practical success seems to be his ability to make his opponents have to solve difficult problems over the board. Kasparov did this by the depth of his preparation, Magnus seems to be doing this by not particularly caring about getting into objectively worse positions (perhaps shades of Tal in this respect).

Feb-29-08  mr.fisk: I've been thinking a little about that too. Is Carlsen deliberately going for inferior lines to mess up the opponents homeprep, or is he simply not well prepared?

To a chess romantic, it's tempting to go for the first option, but objectively speaking it can never be an advantage to choose an inferior opening.

I simply think Carlsens homeprep isn't up to scratch, but he gets away with it due to his superb OTB skills. I suspect his openings will be ironed out in time.

Feb-29-08  MarvinTsai: I don't believe in luck in chess games. It's fair to have equal time each side, if you lose by time trouble it's your own problem. Think up a good move or your opponent with more time left will play a better move with high probability, it's chess it's life. If Ivanchuk wanted to chichen out when he has few seconds on his clock, you think Carlsen will accept it even with an inferior position?

when you play fast and aggressively, lucky things happen, this is what luck means, or why luck blahblah is meaningless.

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  Eyal: There's now a video of Ivanchuk's terrible timetrouble on chessvibes ( Keep children away from the screen if you watch this...
Feb-29-08  hardliner: The children is sleeping. Rather let them watch the Exorcist than this. What a nightmare for Chuk being in such a posision. Feel sorry for him. He looked really terrible.
Feb-29-08  zarg: Ouch... that was painful to watch, even for a Carlsen fan. It appear as Carlsen feels sorry for him, and slow down his play...
Mar-01-08  jovack: interesting game, forcing a passed pawn to the finish line is one of my favourite things to do im surprised ivancuk didn't sense the danger
Mar-01-08  Atking: Does somebody know what is the analysis is refering Carlsen about the opening? He said he has forgoten an analysis which equalizes for black.
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  Eyal: <Atking> I'm not sure if that's exactly what he said - in his father's blog it's said that <Magnus could not remember the theory and somewhere he obviously went wrong>. But in any case, it's probably related to 8...Be7 that was played in Krum Georgiev vs Piket, 1991. Instead, Carlsen's 8…Bb4?! Provokes 9.c3 which apparently turns out to be good for White, because it allows Qc2 next.
Mar-02-08  Atking: Thanks <Eyal> I saw his game. But this game seems good for White until Georgiev went to f4~f5? exchanging an important f2 to a weak g6.
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  Morten: Thanks Eyal. Extremely impressive how deliberate Carlsen plays. It is not easy to keep your calm against an opponent who is in such a mess.
Jun-16-08  notyetagm: Ivanchuk vs Carlsen, 2008

White to play: 10 ?

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Here Ivanchuk (White) played the brilliant 10 ♕e2-c2!, <PINNING> the Black e4-knight against the <UNDEFENDED> Black f5-bishop.

Position after 10 ♕e2-c2!

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A tremendous example of a <PIN AGAINST AN UNDEFENDED PIECE>.

Damn shame that Chucky ate up so much time on the tactical variations in this position that he was basically out of time by move 20!

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  GrahamClayton: Black's opening variation was first seen over 120 years ago:

Winawer vs Zukertort, 1883

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  whiteshark: Here is a video of the time trouble phase: as the above chessvibes-links don't work anymore.
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  Tabanus: The playing table is labeled Morelia, why?
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