Rene Letelier Martner vs Moshe Czerniak (1948) Just Walk Away, Rene

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Rene Letelier Martner vs Moshe Czerniak
"Just Walk Away, Rene" (game of the day Dec-01-2011)
Buenos Aires ARG (1948)
Anderssen Opening: General (A00) · 0-1

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Dec-01-11		FSR: <Golfergopher: Why not 16. Qxe3? I see 16...Bd4 17.Qxd4 17... Qxd4+ Kg2 and white looks pretty good.> That is certainly a worthy try, but it looks like Black wins material after 18.Kg2 Qd2 19.Rab1 Bf5 20.Rhd1 Qg5+ 21.Kh1 Bxb1. Then Black has Q+R+7 pawns v. R+B+B+N+5 pawns and should win in light of his material advantage and White's exposed king.

Dec-01-11		Shams: <FSR> In that line I might try the greedy 19.Ra2 instead, but regardless shouldn't Black check on g5 immediately to prevent connected rooks and Kh1 by White?

Dec-01-11		FSR: <Shams: <FSR> In that line I might try the greedy 19.Ra2 instead, but regardless shouldn't Black check on g5 immediately to prevent connected rooks and Kh1 by White?> Those are both good ideas. Someone should really look at it with an engine, but after either Ra2 (which somehow escaped me - it's awkward but does avoid ...Bf5) or Rab1 your ...Qg5+ is very unpleasant for White after either Kf1? Bh3+ or Kf2 Qh4+. Materially White is OK, but he's going to lose because his king can't reach safety.

Dec-01-11		Penguincw: I guess only Anderssen can play the Anderssen's opening.

Dec-01-11		FSR: <Penguincw> Yes, 1.a3 was Anderssen's most successful opening against Morphy (+1 =1 -1).

Dec-01-11		Phony Benoni: <Shams> <FSR> I'd say the other version, Letelier vs M Czerniak, 1947, looks like a conversion error. Here's the position after <22.Qh4> click for larger view This game continues: 22...Ra2+ 23.Qxh3 Rxa1+ 24.Kg2 Re2+ 25.Kg3 Rxh1 26.Qc8+ Kg7 27.Qxc7 Rg1+ The other game: 22...Rxh2+ 23.Qxh3 Rxh1+ 24.Kg2 Re2+ 25.Kg3 Rxa1 26.Qc8+ Kg7 27.Qxc7 Rb1 Looking at the moves, it's apparent that the other version has the same moves on the other side of the board. This is especially when the moves are written in descriptive notation (for instance, 22...RR7+). I'd bet the inputter simply made a mistake. However, the other version is clearly ridiculous and must be wrong. Even weak players do not make such blunders several moves in a row, even in time pressure. (Believe me--I've played through enough games from non-masters to know.)

Dec-01-11		FSR: <Phony Benoni> Your analysis of the situation makes sense.

Dec-01-11		LIFE Master AJ: Nice game by Black!

Dec-01-11		kevin86: This game is the closest thing to white being DOA- 1 a3????????????????? you can't be serious.

Dec-01-11		Phony Benoni: <kevin86> Actually, 1.a3 can be a very sophisticated move in the right situation, such as when Anderssen utilized it against Morphy. They split three games with it, all of which started with <1.a3 e5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 d5 4.exd5 Nxd5 5.e3> click for larger view White is playing a variation of the Siclian in which 1.a3 is useful. Compare the same line when adopted by Black a move down by <1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e6>: click for larger view Now White usually plays 5.Nc3, but 5.Nb5 is also common and was known at the time of the Anderssen - Morphy match. For an example of what could happen to Black, see Morphy vs Anderssen, 1858, also from their match. Even when White doesn't play Nb5 immediately, the threat generally induces ...a6 at some point. Today's players would probably play 5.e4 immediately, or a reverse Svesh with 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.e4, taking advantage of Black not having ...Nb4 available. However, the point is that Anderssen could be fairly certain that Morphy would play 1...e5, allowing this transposition. Modern players with Black avoid being so accommodating, hence the rarity of 1.a3.

Dec-01-11		scormus: Just Walk Away Renee .... and he did too! OK, so its lost for W but wasn't 0-1 slightly premature, considering what had gone before BTW1, my thanks to <Eggman> I only ever knew the 4 Tops version. BTW2, As I played it through to the final 28 W to play, what was going through my mind was "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown."

Dec-01-11		Phony Benoni: <scormus : OK, so its lost for W but wasn't 0-1 slightly premature, considering what had gone before> click for larger view Well, let's see. 28.Kh4 Rxh2#. 28.Kh3 Re5 and ...Rh5# following the spite check on f7. 28.Kf4 g5+ 29.Kf5 Re5#. That would be enough for me, but then I'm an early resigner.

Dec-01-11		scormus: <PB> ;)

Dec-01-11		King Death: <Phony Benoni> In the variation with 1.a3 e5 2.c4 Nf6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cd5 Nd5, White could even play 5.e4 with an extra tempo in a Najdorf Sicilian. Hypermodern chess before Reti and Tartakower existed!

Dec-01-11		RandomVisitor: Could white have improved with either: [+0.00] d=17 10. Nd5 Nce5 11. Be2 c6 12. Nf4 Qh4 13. g3 Qh6 14. h4 a5 15. bxa5 Rxa5 16. O-O Ra6 17. Nc2 g5 18. Bxe5 dxe5 19. Bxg4 gxf4 20. Bxc8 Rxc8 21.Qg4 Re8 22. Rab1 b6 23. h5 or [+0.00] d=17 16. Nd5 Qg5+ 17. Kf2 Rxf3+ 18. Ke1 Qh4+ 19. Kd1 Bxb2 20. Qxb2 Rf2 21. Rf1 Rxh2 22. Nf6+ Kf8 23. Nd5 Kg8 24. Nf6+ Kf8 25. Nd5 Kg8 26. Nf6+ Kf8 27. Nd5 Kg8 28. Nf6+ Kf8 29. Nd5 Kg8 30. Nf6+ Kf8 31. Nd5 ?

Dec-01-11		benjaminpugh: White can avoid immediate mate after 28.Kh3 Re5, not just with a spite check at f7 but with either 29.Qa5 Rxa5, 30.bxa5 or 29.Qd8 Rh5, 30.Qh4 Rxh4, 31.Kxh4 (either way, black has a rook for the endgame). Or 29.Qe7, immediately losing the queen, but forcing that clumsy rook into two more moves. All still pointless, of course. But heck, maybe the horse will sing.

Dec-01-11		SuperPatzer77: <Phony Benoni: <scormus : OK, so its lost for W but wasn't 0-1 slightly premature, considering what had gone before> Well, let's see. 28.Kh4 Rxh2#. 28.Kh3 Re5 and ...Rh5# following the spite check on f7. 28.Kf4 g5+ 29.Kf5 Re5#. That would be enough for me, but then I'm an early resigner> <Phony Benoni>: Big Ouch!!! I also thought that it was slightly premature for White to resign. Your analysis is 100% clear!! SuperPatzer77

Dec-01-11		DarthStapler: Great pun

Dec-01-11		maxi: Oh no, <PhonyBenoni>, you must not be an early resigner. You will never go far in chess that way. My advice (it has helped me a lot) is this: when you begin to feel helpless and want to resign, simply throw the chessboard and the pieces to the floor. With time you will experience a marked improvement in your natural aggressiveness.

Dec-01-11		Phony Benoni: <maxi> That's known as the Dodd Gambit in these parts. Proper technique requires that your actions be accompanied by saying, "Dodd Gambit!"

Dec-01-11		maxi: Hey, thanks a lot! Do you have to scream it, or is it enough just to say it?

Dec-01-11		Phony Benoni: <maxi> Choose your own means of self-expression. Which reminds me of what is now a funny story. I learned about the Dodd Gambit during my time at a conservative Christian college. This was the sort of place were sex was not even imagined and drinking alcohol was cause for expulsion. However, the worst sin was taking the Lord's name in vain. The penalty for that was social ostracization. A week of that, and you felt like getting drunk just to get it over with. I was playing chess one morning when my opponent pulled this, and I thought it was so funny that I decided to share it with some other friends at lunch. In strictest confidence, of course. Well, my stand-up technique wasn't very good in those days, and I didn't notice as I told the joke that my voice was getting louder and Louder and LOUDER until the whole cafeteria could hear me. It was not a good moment to blow the punch line.

Dec-01-11		maxi: Sheet! Unfortunate. I went to a CCC myself, and recently had the following experience. I fondly remembered conversations with one of the older professors. He was a really nice guy, and, in spite of being an intellectual, he could build a car from scratch. His fingernails always had car grease. He would tell me interesting things about his subject and about Poland (country he came from) and I learned a lot. So a few months ago I decided to write to him and see if he remembered me. Well, he didn't, but he wrote back and told me about the school and the new students and how he was taking part in some social program with kids from needy neighborhoods. His secretary wrote to me and asked for pics and a small bio because they had these posters with alumni info. I wrote back to them saying how much I had enjoyed college and all the education and so on and so forth, all true, really, and the good memories I had of some evenings spent having a few beers with my friends at school. You realize I never heard anymore from them. I even wondered why for a few days until it hit me that I was going to burn in drunkard's hell.

Dec-06-11		whiteshark: It's speld <edukayshun> dummy. Git yerselph sum hookd on foniks for krismus.

Feb-04-20		jith1207: Good one, <PB> and <Maxi> ;)

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