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| Mar-30-09 | | whiteshark: <Viewer Deluxe> Yes, <39.g4!> was a missed opportunity. 
click for larger view I think this move gives white's King enough squares to stay on the bank rank as in your line with <Ra3+ 40. Kg2 Rg3+ 41. Kh1 Rxg4 42. Ne6> 
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| Mar-30-09 | | bramdas: Just now seeing the game. Unbelievable. Like Topa Kasparov Wjik 99! |
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| Mar-30-09 | | Ed Trice: It's games like this that make you realize it's time to come up with a modern update to the World's Greatest Games of Chess. |
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| Mar-30-09 | | WhiteRook48: bad pun |
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| Mar-30-09 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <Davolni>
I am too lazy to check if a fairly quick forced checkmate would appear on the board without Qxf5. It seems like it would. But even if it wouldn't, black can simply take on c5 and the material advantage is overwhelming, and white's king would still be subject to a brutal attack. |
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| Mar-30-09 | | VaselineTopLove: If 39.g4 wins for white then where's it that Anand made a mistake? |
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| Mar-30-09 | | Shams: <<Ed Trice:> It's games like this that make you realize it's time to come up with a modern update to the World's Greatest Games of Chess.> and I can't think of a better candidate to author such a volume than you, Mr. Trice! |
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| Mar-30-09 | | Shams: if you're curious about 13...hxg5, Browne tried it here: Quinteros vs Browne, 1981 but then immediately gave up his queen on a3 anyway. the problem is 14.Rb3 Qe7 15.Nd6+ and quick death. |
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| Mar-30-09 | | truefriends: <Mar-30-09 kurtrichards: I wonder if GM Stellwagen eat and sleep well after this game.> He won his next game on the next day so he must have ate and slept well ;-) |
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Mar-30-09
 | | Breunor: I hope this doesn't go into the 'guess the move' database, I think I would get a score of about 4! |
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| Mar-30-09 | | soberknight: Wow, what a game. I didn't get it on the first read, so I'll have to read it again. If you must lose to Anand, this isn't a bad way to go. |
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| Mar-30-09 | | soberknight: <ILikeFruits> There are two "similar games" linked below the board on this game with 13...hxg5 instead of axb5. Both games were drawn. I'd really like to study this variation to understand all the piece sacrifices and why this isn't suicide for white. |
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| Mar-31-09 | | messachess: After 15...Rxa3, one might argue that black has a very slight material advantage, since theoretically three minor pieces can defeat a queen. |
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| Mar-31-09 | | whiteshark: <VaselineTopaLove: <If 39.g4 wins for white then where's it that Anand made a mistake?>> It's <38...Kb8?>. Better would have been 38...Ra3+ to 'force' white's ♘ to retreat. |
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Mar-31-09
 | | patzer2: <whiteshark> The defensive combination with 39. g4 does appear to a missed opportunity for White. Before seeing your post, I played it out with Fritz and come up with the same possibility <39. g4! Ra3+ 40. Kg2 Rg3+ 41. Kh1 Rxg4
42. Ne6 Nh6 43. Qc7+ Ka7 44. Qxc8>, when play might continue 44...Be3 45. Kh2 Rh4+ 46. Kg3 Rxh5 47. Qd7 Bb6 48.
c4 Ra5 49. Kf4 Rf5+ 50. Ke4 Rh5 51. c5 Bxc5 52. Qa4+ Kb6 53. Nf4 Rh4 54. Kf3
Be7 55. Nd5+ Kc5 56. Qa5+ Kc4 57. Nxe7 b5 58. Qa2+ Kc5 59. Qd5+ Kb6 60. Qg5 Nf5 61. Qxf5  (+9.31 @ 14 depth)This being the case, it would seem Black made a mistake earlier. Indeed, 38...Kb8? seems to be the culprit. Instead, 38...Ra3+! 39. Nf3 Kb8!  seems to hold with a slight advantage for Black. |
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Mar-31-09
| | patzer2: I think (39. ?) would make for a very difficult Saturday or Sunday puzzle? |
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| Mar-31-09 | | luzhin: It seems that Stellwagen's losing move was 46.h6 ; after 46.Qd8! he was still very much in the game. Incidentally, after 22...Bxg7 the possible continuation 23.Qxg7 Rf8 24.Ne4! Rf4 25.Nf6+ Kd8 26.Qf8+ Kc7 27.Ne8+ Kd7 28.Qxf4 Kxe8 29.Qf6! Rxa2 30.h4 e5 31.h5 suggests that Anand's judgement in playing the counterattacking 22...Bc5+ was spot on. |
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| Mar-31-09 | | YetAnotherAmateur: luzhin: 23. Qxg7 Rf8 24. Ne4 Rf4 25. Nf6+ R4xf6 and white appears to have given up his knight for no particular gain while giving black a nice mating threat on f1. 23. Qxg7 Rf8 24. Ne4 Rf4 25. Nd6+ seems better, but even so black will end up with a rook and 2 minor pieces vs the queen, which is plenty to work with. |
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| Apr-01-09 | | luzhin: Yetanotheramateur: after 25.Nf6+ Rxf6 White just takes the rook with 26.Qxf6. I think you must be confusing 24...Rf4 with 24....Raf5, after which White would indeed play 25.Nd6+. |
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Apr-01-09
| | patzer2: <luzhin: It seems that Stellwagen's losing move was 46.h6 ; after 46.Qd8! he was still very much in the game.> Maybe, but I'm not so sure White can hold the draw here. White will still have a difficult time surviving even after 46. Qd8. One possibility is 46. Qd8 Be5+ 47. Kd5 b6 48. Qc7+ Bb7+ 49. Kxe5
Rxc5+ 50. Qxc5 Nf7+ 51. Kf6 bxc5 52. Kxf7 Bxg2 53. Ke6 Be4 54. c4 Kb6 55. Kd6 Bg2 56. Ke5 Bf1 57. h6 Bd3 58. Kd6 Bb1  . |
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| Apr-02-09 | | Sularus: The Poison is potent again!!! |
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Apr-03-09
| | kamalakanta: <Blaise99a: WOW.
Fritz and I have a question, of which there IS an answer: 12...h6 (ok, instead of Qa2), 13.Bb5 (which seems pretty speculative, read crazy)
Now Fritz wants to know what is wrong with 13...hg
and says best is 14. Rb3 Qa2 15. Qc3 Nc6 16. Bc6 bc6 17. O-O c5 black is cramped, but heck he is up a piece! so what's wrong with that (Anand must know). Any Ideas?> Deep Shredder 11 also sees this position as better for Black. It seems that the whole line by White is unsound! This is the kind of position for which computers are excellent. They are able to cut through the apparent chaos and give us an honest, no-fear evaluation of the position. |
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Apr-04-09
| | Mateo: <patzer2: <luzhin: It seems that Stellwagen's losing move was 46.h6 ; after 46.Qd8! he was still very much in the game.> Maybe, but I'm not so sure White can hold the draw here. White will still have a difficult time surviving even after 46. Qd8.
One possibility is 46. Qd8 Be5+ 47. Kd5 b6 48. Qc7+ Bb7+ 49. Kxe5 Rxc5+ 50. Qxc5 Nf7+ 51. Kf6 bxc5 52. Kxf7 Bxg2 53. Ke6 Be4 54. c4 Kb6 55. Kd6 Bg2 56. Ke5 Bf1 57. h6 Bd3 58. Kd6 Bb1 .> 50.Kxd6! Rxc7 51.Kxc7 Bxg2 52.h6 Be4 53.c4 followed by Kd6 and c5 is a draw. |
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| Jun-11-09 | | hedgeh0g: <what happens in 48th move if white doesnt take it with queen? what's the consequence?> I think White assumed he could queen the h-pawn. |
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| Jul-01-09 | | ycbaywtb: Would 13.Nd4-b5 be a better try for White than 13.Bb5? thank you. |
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