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| Sep-25-10 | | funkymihir: and if Carlsen Plays 66.Rg1 then white just captures knight with king |
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| Sep-25-10 | | metatron2: Impressive game by Jobava who actually played in Carlsen style there: He accepted a dubious pawn structure, understdaning that white's pieces activity and their optimal positions will be more important in that case. It seemed as if Carlsen could regroup his pieces and take advantage of white's awful Q side pawns structure, but Jobava never allowed him that: He played actively and kept posing problems to Magnus, generating a K attack in an endgame where black's K didn't seem to be in danger (in a Carlsen style..). The point was that as long as black couldn't realize his Q side pressure, his Na5 & Ba6 were misplaced and far from the action place. It seemed like the early sequence: 6. e4, changing queens, followed by d4-d5 x e6, was Jobaba's way to exploit the absence of Carlsen's black squared bishop, create weakness on e5, and weaken the e6 pawn (that only became significant after his creative attack on the K side). Very deep and far from obvious. It seems like the best chance against Carlsen is by using his own weapons against him (which is very difficult of course..). That reminds the way Kasparov realized that in order to beat Petrosian, he needed to use Petrosian's own positional style.. <funkymihir: hey achieve. after 64. Nxf4, 65.Nh6+ Kg7 66. Rf5> I thought this was the winning line too, but then I saw that black has 66.. Ne2!. Since I find it hard to believe that both Carlsen and Jobava missed it, and even harder to believe Jobava would play the odd 64. Ke4 move instead of winning immediately with 64. Ke2, I can only assumed that Carlsen resigned before Jobava played 64. Ke2, and they put the K on e4 since white won. |
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| Sep-25-10 | | zoren: to <achieve>:
I believe 64...Ke2 was played.
to <funkymihir>:
That in fact doesn't work after the funny move 66...Nh5! or the above mentioned 66...Ne2! |
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| Sep-25-10 | | polarmis: At Crestbook they say the last move was 64. Kg2. As mentioned, the move given would draw (it's just a digital board thing...). |
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| Sep-25-10 | | nuwanda:
the last move played was 64.Kg2, as could be seen in the live transmission. now two black pieces are hanging and black cannot save them both. 64...Rd1 65.Rxd5 or 64...Rxf4 65.Rxd5 Rg4+ 66.Kf3 Rxg5 67.Ne7+ this last move Ke4 (or, for black, Ke5) thing happens all the the time, and all the times folks are shouting out: oh, its a blunder, and even chesssites as here or chessbase do not correct it!? it happens when the last move was a king-move and, when the opposite player resigns, i suppose the arbiter puts the king on the centerfield to indicate that white was winning. |
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| Sep-25-10 | | Whitehat1963: <charms>, I quite agree. 29. Rxh7! is an excellent move. |
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| Sep-25-10 | | achieve: Of course! Thanks all! The new electronic board ploy (the arbiter should place both kings at the same time in the center, hmmm) - I should have thought of that ;( - didn't watch it Live and see what happens, heh. |
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| Sep-25-10 | | Davolni: Does anybody else thinks Carlen's last 20-25 moves were useless waste of time? Couldn't he resign right after move 45-46? I mean he wasn't playing to someone from Bolivia, or South Africa or somewhere else... As far as Jobava, as I said in the main page, I think you gotta have real BALLZ to play sharp like that from the beginning against world's #1.
Congraats on a well deserved win! |
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| Sep-25-10 | | onur87: Baadur is a superclass player. Thanks him for showing chess is a game which is full of surprises. |
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| Sep-26-10 | | funkymihir: thnx zoren |
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| Sep-26-10 | | morphy2010: Jobava showed Carlson he still has to pay his dues even though hes a little rich boy! |
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| Sep-26-10 | | Kazzak: Mr Carlsen hard at work studying the Saemisch for a while - which for him should be a day, at most. |
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| Sep-26-10 | | notyetagm: Stupendous Jobava win annotated by NM Monokrousos -> http://www.thechessmind.net/storage... |
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| Sep-26-10 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: Jobava's Best Games |
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| Sep-26-10 | | whiteshark: <Magnus Carlsen`s Blog
"... In the 4th round we were to face Georgia on board 6, our first serious test. And how miserably we failed... I was black against GM Baadur Jobava (2710), a very dangerous and creative opponent, who I've played many interesting games with before. Initally things went very well, and after an unorthodox opening I was facing a promising queenless middlegame. However, I quickly went wrong, missing a key tactical point on move 20. As a result, it all turned around, and I was forced to find a way to stay in the game rather than fight for the initiative. Jobava continued to play very energetically, and I made a further couple of errors in serious time-trouble, and by the time control on move 40 my position was quite hopeless. I decided to continue for i bit, and got an unexpected chance for a draw on move 50, which he had completely missed. Alas, it was not my day, and it turned out that with a few accurate moves the win was still his for the taking. 1-0 after 64 moves. ...>
http://www.arcticsec.no/index.php?b...
I wonder what <unexpected chance for a draw on move 50 <>> he was thinking about? |
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| Sep-26-10 | | Shajmaty: I guess Carlsen missed 19. h4! And, yes, <whiteshark>, I agree the last chance to draw would have been 27...♖ad8. After that, it looks like a clean win to me. |
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| Sep-26-10 | | SetNoEscapeOn: <Since I find it hard to believe that both Carlsen and Jobava missed it, and even harder to believe Jobava would play the odd 64. Ke4 move instead of winning immediately with 64. Ke2, I can only assumed that Carlsen resigned before Jobava played 64. Ke2, and they put the K on e4 since white won.> Now they tell me... |
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| Sep-27-10 | | shakespeare: strange discussions here - why should Carlsen not loose to Jobava, one of the best players? He definitely proved his class in this game - absolute powerplay from the beginning |
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| Sep-27-10 | | Loisp: but Carlsen played computer-strong from the begining .After 6.e4 Nxe4 the 2 best variations i found are:
Analysis by Deep Rybka 4 w32:
1. = (0.04): 7...f5 8.Qxg7 Qf6 9.Qxf6 Nxf6 10.Nf3 d6 11.Bd3 e5 12.Nh4 Kf7 13.0-0 Rg8 14.Nxf5 Bxf5 15.Bxf5 exd4 16.Bb2 Rg5 17.Bc2 Rag8 18.g3 dxc3 19.Bxc3 Rc5 20.f4 Na5 21.Bxf6 2. = (0.15): 7...Nf6 8.Qxg7 Rg8 9.Qh6 d5 10.cxd5 Rg6 11.Qd2 Qxd5 12.f3 Na5 13.Rb1 Nb3 14.Qc2 Nxc1 15.Qxc1 c5 16.Ne2 cxd4 17.cxd4 Qd6 18.Qd2 Nd5 19.Nc3 Nxc3 20.Qxc3 b6 |
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| Oct-06-10 | | AuN1: 28...Rae8 was the decisive mistake, <loisp>, so it was not really that he lost out of the opening. although, it was jobava's energetic, and powerful opening play which put carlsen on the defensive leading up to that mistake. |
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| Oct-07-10 | | morphy2010: That reminds the way Kasparov realized that in order to beat Petrosian, he needed to use Petrosian's own positional style.. |
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| Jul-30-11 | | kia0708: playing so sharp against Magnus Carlsen impresses me |
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| Mar-12-13 | | Lambda: <That reminds the way Kasparov realized that in order to beat Petrosian, he needed to use Petrosian's own positional style..> Or using Karpov's style in the far more important last game of the 1987 match... |
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Nov-18-13
 | | offramp: <whiteshark I wonder what <unexpected chance for a draw on move 50 <>> he was thinking about?> I can only imagine that he is thinking about the draw that would have followed 51.Rxd3. |
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Jan-19-25
 | | OhioChessFan: Amazing how long MC held on with his exposed King. Jobravo to Jobava for converting the win. |
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