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| Nov-12-12 | | stacase: Arrg! I took me forever to see it. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | whiteshark: <31... R8b4+ 32.cxb4 Qd3#> End of story! |
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| Nov-12-12 | | sofouuk: thx to <Once> and <morfishine> for the feedback, but i do think there is something else going on. once the c3-pawn is off the board (1...R8b4+ 2.cxb4) nobody is going to miss the mate in 1; with it on the board, the mate is surprisingly hard for non-master players to visualise (well at least i was not the only one. and while ive always been hopelessly weak tactically, i do have a 2000+ ELO) the division of chess players into chin-strokers and action men may be true, but in this case im pretty sure a master would see the mate so quickly it wouldn't be clear which process they had used to find it. perhaps the specific problem is with middle board mates because they are quite rare (especially for positional players who launch sacrificial mating attacks once in a blue moon, and only then if there is clearly no alternative. i do remember once driving my opponent's king from g1 to g5 in the middlegame, but even then i preferred to leave it there and win the game by promoting a queenside pawn. old habits die hard :) |
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| Nov-12-12 | | therevolver17: 31..R8b4+ 32.cxb4 Qd3# |
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| Nov-12-12 | | Abdel Irada: <<•>Clearance sale<•>> "White's king is in a bad way, but not dead yet. If only that c-pawn weren't in the way, I could mate, but how do I make it go away?" Whether verbalized or not, such a thought process becomes second nature with sufficient experience as player and problem-solver, and today it led straight to the logical answer: <<•>31. ...R8b4† 32. cxb4...>
There goes the c-pawn.
<<•>32. ...Qd3#> And there goes the mate. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | Abdel Irada: <"If a knight on king six is like a bone in the throat, then is a king on knight six like the throne in a boat?"> I've posed this humorous question before, but with this game, it definitely seems particularly appropriate. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | morfishine: <sofouuk> Could be, or could be the "rank syndrome" playing a part. What I mean by "rank syndrome" is studies have shown that chessplayers have more difficulty seeing sideways tactics [ie: along a rank] vs file or diagonal tactics. This applies to GM's as well. A couple of things about this position, is there are a number of ways to win and you found one (although it wasn't the shortest, it doesn't matter, you found a forced win). For example, aiming for the same theme, Black could play <31...Qd1+ 32.Kc4 R8b4+ 33.cxb4 Qd3 mate> Or looking back, doesn't <27...Rxc3+> (instead of <27...Qd1+>) look conclusive? See, even the GM missed a tactic, only to latch onto another 4-moves later :) |
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Nov-12-12
 | | Willber G: <Or looking back, doesn't <27...Rxc3+> (instead of <27...Qd1+>) look conclusive?> Well, it does allow two escapes for white via Kg4 or Be3. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | Bengambit: 31....Rb8b4+(R sac) 32.cxb4 (forced ) Qd3++ is what I saw without looking at anything else. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | morfishine: <Willber G> Thanks for the reply! Please note <28.Kg4> loses to <28...Qe2+> followed by <29...Qh5 mate> and <28.Be3> loses to <28...Rxe3+ 29.Kxe3 Rb3+> |
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| Nov-12-12 | | Bengambit: Seen the possibility of an skewer towards White's Q on the a1 h8 line,but White' s Bishop on c1 guards b2 a3 d2 e3 f4 g5 and with time and tempo and a blunder by Black,White's Bishop could very well post up on h6 with f5 gxf5. White's Queen does look like she is in the line of fire,but we can never give a real good player the time and tempo to recover,because White does have a strong mating pattern on g7 and by not taking the pawn on d6 leaves a block because Black's black Bishop is on the side lines and Black's Rooks cannot get into position to fight. But on the other hand,had White not had overrun his position,i believe he had a win with all of those "Runner's" those pawns on board. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | Hevelius: The Black Lady takes a deep breath in relief! Yes, when you quickly figure out there is no Queen sacrifice bound to happen, the rest comes consequentially. Nice Monday puzzle. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | agb2002: Black has a rook for a bishop and three pawns.
If the pawn on c3 disappeared then Black would deliver mate with 31... Qd3. Hence, divert it with 31... R8b4+ 32.cxb4 Qd3#. |
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Nov-12-12
 | | gawain: Re: the distinction offered by <Once>. I am a wild and crazy "move trier" all the way! And the first one I tried here was the right one: 31...R8b4+ followed by mate next move. Sweet puzzle today. |
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Nov-12-12
 | | chrisowen: My thin picking rook ding dong door b8 ellucidate not a problem a sequestered king shall demonstrate am b8 " take your brain on space walks " infer no raging bull simply it he in b4 us mooch in oh ok came like a thunder-bolt rook in b4 ar gain check has to 32.cxb4 Qd3 0l lyme borrelia #. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | notyetagm: Game Collection: PINS AGAINST SQUARES D Antic vs D Milanovic, 1996 31 ... Rb8-b4+! 0-1 as White c3-pawn pinned to d3-mating square |
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| Nov-12-12 | | ruzon: It looks like Black could have gotten a winning advantage earlier with 25...Kg7! protecting the Knight and preparing to trap the Queen with 26...R3b7. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | NewLine: King Walk Variation indeed! |
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| Nov-12-12 | | S A G A R: After 12.h3 Qa5
click for larger viewIt looks like both kings are in secure positions.
But By playing 12... Qa5 , black makes sure that white wont move the b2 pawn.
At 13.Re1 Rfb8
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black threatens the b2 pawn so that Bishop c1 supporting it stuck into position.
After 15. re2 Ne8
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black threatens knight c3. So white places rook at c2.
After 16.Qd2 Rb4
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white plays 17.a3 .. expecting that black might play Bxc3. This leads to picture below
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Now white gets chance to play Bb2. But black figured it out and played 17.a3 Rb3.
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That means White has messed up. |
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| Nov-12-12 | | rudiment: First Monday defeat in a while... |
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| Nov-12-12 | | S A G A R: After 12. h3 Qa5 some changes
13.Qc2 Rfb8
14.Rb1 Ne8
15.bd2 ..
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| Nov-12-12 | | zb2cr: Divert the White c-Pawn by 31. ... R8b4+; 32. cxb4 (forced). Now the Black Rook on b3 provides support to the d3 square, so, 32. ... Qd3#. |
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Nov-12-12
 | | FSR: 31...R8b4+ 32.c-pawn moves Qd3# |
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Nov-12-12
| | FSR: <zb2cr: Divert the White c-Pawn by 31. ... R8b4+; 32. cxb4 (forced).> Not true. 32.c4 is equally good. :-) |
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| Nov-13-12 | | kevin86: Rook sac opens the door for a queen mate. |
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