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morfishine
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   morfishine has kibitzed 16544 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Jul-08-20 L McLaren vs A Ismail, 2017 (replies)
 
morfishine: Ismail suffered a whale of an attack by White finding himself harpooned after <17.Rg7+> and then having to watch his ship sink
 
   Jul-07-20 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
 
morfishine: John Lennon said this was his favorite song, Happy Birthday Ringo! https://www.google.com/search?gs_ss...
 
   Jul-07-20 Chessgames Bookie chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: I'm going down the tubes at the rate of 40 chessbucks per day
 
   Jul-03-20 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: <WannaBe> I Forgot to comment on this: <It's very easy. Obviously the Knight's Templar were in kahoot with the Free Masons that hid the last of the Infinity Stone, only to switch it with Harry Potter in the Matrix for the Scorceror's Stone and hence fooled everyone and ...
 
   Jul-03-20 L Karlsson vs H Olafsson, 1979 (replies)
 
morfishine: Bizarre series of moves
 
   Jun-30-20 Kenneth S Rogoff (replies)
 
morfishine: Liberals, Lefties, Democrats, Socialists, Social Democrats, Communists, Anarchists, whatever you want to call them, they collectively do not like facts And that's a fact
 
   Jun-30-20 P Lindgren vs E Kalpa, 1968 (replies)
 
morfishine: Patzerfest
 
   Jun-28-20 morfishine chessforum
 
morfishine: <saffuna> Sorry for slow response, on you comment: <Always seemed odd to me that at Gettysburg the southern army was to the north and the northern army was to the south> A contrast between the 1862 Maryland campaign and the Gettysburg campaign illustrates your ...
 
   Jun-26-20 A Zude vs L Sanchez Botella, 2014 (replies)
 
morfishine: Well, that was fun
 
   Jun-25-20 FSR chessforum (replies)
 
morfishine: <FSR> must be g6 or g3, sort of dastardly of you beating up on the lower rates LOL Maybe he/she at least learned a lesson
 
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Jun-19-20
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  Tiggler: <td> I joined the Bracknell Playgroup about that time. We were extremely avant garde: no one was allowed to play an instrument that they had any proficiency with. No one playing piano was allowed to use the keyboard, so it was best to get inside the instrument. We gave concerts and advertised them as follows: Admission Free! - $1 to get out.
Jun-20-20
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  saffuna: <I joined the Bracknell Playgroup about that time. We were extremely avant garde: no one was allowed to play an instrument that they had any proficiency with. No one playing piano was allowed to use the keyboard, so it was best to get inside the instrument. We gave concerts and advertised them as follows: Admission Free! - $1 to get out.>

Sounds like a typical third-billed band at Fillmore West.

Jun-20-20
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  thegoodanarchist: Thanks for the link, <morf>!

I preserved your comment in my profile.

Jun-20-20
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  morfishine: <thegoodanarchist> Thank you for the notification, that's some cool footage
Jun-21-20
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  technical draw: The Bangkok Dixieland band was comprised of ex-pats. Some professional players and some very good amateurs. The piano player was even a doctor. The bass player was a pro and there were two clarinet players from Australia. Trumpet and trombone were Americans. The great Maurice Rocco would sometimes join in on piano. All in all a great time was had.
Jun-21-20
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  Tiggler: < ex-pats> Well no matter where or why you are somewhere, ex-pats are invariably a toxic influence. Whether by knowledge or instinct, when I immigrated to USA, I knew to stay away from English ex-pats. Once a French-American friend invited me to dinner. It could have been wonderful, except that she invited some other English ex-pats as well, thinking we would get along. What a pair of total tossers! I poured satirical ordure all over them, in conversation, and they responded in kind. Our French hostess did not have a clue what was going on, and thought it was a wonderfully successful evening ..
Jun-21-20
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  morfishine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen...
Jun-21-20
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  thegoodanarchist: < Tiggler: Well, I hear that Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima have gone into the same memory hole as Uncle Tom, Al Jolson, Huck Finn, and Gunga Din. Will Othello be next?>

Add Uncle Remus and Song of the South:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_...

Jun-21-20
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  thegoodanarchist: <Tiggler: < ex-pats> Well no matter where or why you are somewhere, ex-pats are invariably a toxic influence. Whether by knowledge or instinct, when I immigrated to USA, I knew to stay away from English ex-pats. Once a French-American friend invited me to dinner. It could have been wonderful, except that she invited some other English ex-pats as well, thinking we would get along. What a pair of total tossers!>

What is a tosser?

Jun-21-20
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  technical draw: Why is the NAACP not offensive? After all all I haven't heard colored people since the 60's. I guess if you make the rules you can break them.
Jun-21-20
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  saffuna: The NAACP was founded more than a hundred years ago, and simply has never changed its name.
Jun-21-20
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  technical draw: <saffuna> That's what I mean. Some things change with time and others do not. Take for example the United Negro College Fund, some people may dislike the use of the word negro for black but the UNCF maintains its name.
Jun-21-20
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  saffuna: Good point.
Jun-24-20
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  morfishine: Hello <Tiggler> I think you missed the point with this comment: <You do yourself no credit by sending us a link to such a dubious site as debunked ... All this seems to me to be a very pointless exercise. It goes nowhere, and never can go anywhere> My career involves and has involved sifting through multi-source data to weed out the irrelevant data to arrive at a conclusion. So, if I post a link, its not necessarily fully endorsed by me, but forwarded for “Food for Thought” for others, and as I had previously mentioned, for one to gain breadth with their research. I want people to get thinking themselves and seeing both sides before narrowing down to a decision. ‘Spartacus’ articles are quite interesting and cannot be dismissed outright https://spartacus-educational.com/

Perhaps you will like this site, its well respected for JFK articles: https://www.maryferrell.org/php/sho...

I’ve never stated that I was 100% certain of a Grassy Knoll shot. It is compelling, but there are other locations for the other shooter(s)

I find your comment here highly amusing: <...So they created a cover-up that has had the counterproductive effect of spawning limitless opportunities for the UFO - Big Foot - Crop Circles - Apollo Mission debunkers and their ilk. It is disappointing that you should join this dubious company> Again you miss the point, perhaps you really don’t know me or appreciate my credentials. I approach any event with the same square one approach. As an investigator, I form no conclusion until after the investigation is complete. So you won’t find me in the company of “conspiracy nuts” jumping off deep ends, or having joined that 'dubious company' as you named it. The JFK assassination is purely a hobby for me with a focus on Oswald’s innocence

Again, I brought up the Minox camera issue as I thought it was a benign or neutral place for people of both sides to discuss without rancor or contention. Perhaps one could then link to other articles if they were interested.

And while I ignored the easy path of claiming “You see, Oswald was a spy all along” since that really doesn’t matter, my only question is “Why would the FBI make such a determined effort to erase evidence of an Oswald owned Minox camera, going so far as to finally doctor the list and remove the item?”

Thats a legitimate question since they had a less risky path to follow

Jun-24-20
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  Tiggler: <“Why would the FBI make such a determined effort to erase evidence of an Oswald owned Minox camera, going so far as to finally doctor the list and remove the item?”> Well if one of their many rogue COINTELPRO agents had planted it in the first place, Hoover may have found good reason to remove it again.

There actually is no admissible evidence that Oswald ever owned a Minox. By the time it was found, Oswald was already dead and countless people had had access to the Paine home: even Life magazine journalists, photographers, hangers on, not to mention, of course, the Paines themselves. It seems unlikely to me that Oswald owned it, but if he did it was likely supplied by De Mohrenshildt in pursuit of some shady CAI scheme or other, not likely connected with the assassination at all. Both CIA and FBI might at one time have had more than a passing interest in using Oswald as a provocator.

Your suggestion that I am repeatedly missing the point has merit: I have yet to divine what if anything is the point.

Jun-24-20
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  morfishine: <Tiggler> Actually, there is evidence that Oswald owned a minox camera, they found it in his seabag; and besides that, there's evidence of 2 minox cameras, but that is for further study

And you also have your dates wrong, an inventory of Oswald's possessions on 11-26-1963, which was 4 days after the assassination and 2 days after his own death, not the second search which was some 2 months later, I'm talking about the first search http://www.whokilledjfk.net/oswald5...

Jun-24-20
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  morfishine: Hello <Tiggler> I think the points are:

(1) That I'm certain Oswald could not have traveled from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor breakroom in 64 seconds, as demonstrated convincingly in the first argument

(2) And my question of why the FBI would want to erase Oswald's minox camera from the list of Oswald's possessions, substitute light meter, and now neither items are there anymore? What happened to those items?

Point (2) is the one that needs answering since (1) is already answered

Besides, as I said, since Oswald was a paid informant by the FBI, thats not a bad thing, obviously he's patriotic to the core / corps

Jun-24-20
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  Tiggler: <they found it in his seabag>

Yes I know that they said that. But this was, as you say, on the 26th. There was no attempt to control access after the first cursory search on the 22nd. Life magazine journalists and who knows who else were already roaming the house on evening of the 22nd. And what about the Paines? No court would admit evidence of the minox found four days later. In Oswald's sea bag indeed! In the garage! A billion people round the world are already interested, motivated to screw around, unobstructed in their desire to do so at will.

What a load of irrelevant rubbish.

Jun-24-20
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  Tiggler: <Hello <Tiggler> I think the points are>

Yes of course, I understand your points, but I do not understand what is the point of your points. Why flog this dead horse? You must know that it is utterly impossible to prove anything. Well, perhaps you don't know that. But I do, to a moral certainty, know that nothing more can be wrung from the tangible evidence.

We are left with questions about plausibility, character, psychological profile.

So you and I are doomed to talk at cross purposes: you dismiss my approach (and Mailer's), and I dismiss yours.

Jun-24-20
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  Tiggler: And even if Oswald did have a minox: so what? We already know he had been in contact with the KGB, the MVD, the CIA, the FBI, the right-wing Cuban exiles, the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, the USA Communist Party, their enemies the Socialist Worker party, the Cuban legation in Mexico, the Soviet Embassy in Mexico, mob connections in NOLA, and all manner of misfits and Russian emigres.

We also already know, I grant you this with no contest, that the FBI, the CIA, President Johnson and his chum Earl Warren, all did conspire to obstruct justice. And oh I forgot the Secret Service who compromised the evidence by removing JFK's body from Texas, at the instigation of Jackie Kennedy. Perhaps she already had the hots for Aristotle Onassis and wanted to rid herself of her boring husband.

What we have yet to discover is why all these people messed with the evidence.

In the case of CIA and FBI we do already know: CIA was covering up Operation Mongoose, and FBI was covering up J. Edgar Hoover's police state, already in place for two decades.

Jun-24-20
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  Tiggler: <(1) That I'm certain Oswald could not have traveled from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor breakroom in 64 seconds, as demonstrated convincingly in the first argument>

Well yes, but what is the relevance of the fact the <morfishine> is certain? I am not. And not do I accept the straw man 64 seconds, either. So you convinced yourself, congratulations.

Jun-25-20
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  morfishine: <Tiggler> Thats a good point that individuals and agencies were protecting their own interests, which explains why there's so much tampered evidence and missing evidence. I've been in agreement with this idea for years. The hard part is separating those examples from the more sinister examples of staged, missing or destroyed evidence

Sounds like you are really not interested in this subject. No one is twisting your arm to comment on this subject

Jun-25-20
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  Tiggler: <Sounds like you are really not interested in this subject.> I am interested, but not necessarily in the same aspects as you. I am somewhat interested in the psychology of those who have over the years and even now continue to beat this horse.

In 1964 the idea of a lone gunmen desiring to change history, and succeeding in a few cases, was very shocking. Now such events are so commonplace as to scarcely attract comment. These people are a fact of life, with which we must come to terms.

Jun-25-20
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  Tiggler: Dear <morf>, a somewhat adversarial tone has entered our discussion. There is a place for that, of course, but let us not allow it to cast a shadow on an atmosphere, I hope, of mutual respect.

More than a week ago, we were discussing Norman Mailer's book, and you said something to the effect (the text is above somewhere) that if I thought you should reread it, you would.

My reply (also above ~ 2 pages back) was that I would not ask you to do so before I had reread it myself. Well, now I have: once backwards and once forwards, and now I am dipping into it to confirm my impressions.

Yes, absolutely you must read it again, and I shall attempt to set forward the reasons:

1) The book was published in 1995. The first ~ 350 pages (out of ~ 800) are concerned with Oswald's sojourn in the Soviet Union, and the life of his wife Marina. On page 349, we read: "One stimulus in the writing of this book was an offer from the Byelorus KGB to allow a look into their files." Naturally no writer with Mailer's track record and background as a journalist could possible pass up this opportunity. 2) If the above was not enough, Mailer's team of interviewers (himself and two others) had access to people, including former KGB and MVD people, newly relieved from the burden of secrecy and also ordinary citizens formerly accostomed to keep their thoughts strictly to themselves.

So , Mailer's book is source material for previously unknown testimony.

The second half of the book concerns events in the USA (and Mexico, Japan, the Philippines), before and after Oswald's sojourn in the USSR. But is not until P. 605 that we read: "This book ... was undertaken without a fixed conclusion in either direction ... (to) try to comprehend his deeds as arising from nothing more than himself until such a premise lost all headway. To study his life in this manner produces a hypothesis: Oswald was a protagonist, a prime mover, a man who made things happen... Indeed, this point of view has by now taken hold to a point where the writer would not like to relinquish it for too little. There(italics) is the danger! .... the hitherto useful hypothesis will insist on prevailing over everything that comes in and so will take over the integrity of the project."

This is an exceptionally clear exposition of the author's talent for self-awareness. No less than a deep understanding of the principles of the dialectic: the ability to simultaneously hold two conflicting viewpoints, until some clarity emerges.

So, yes, my verdict is that you must, absolutely, reread Oswald's Tale, Norman Mailer, Random House, 1995.

Jun-28-20
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  morfishine: <saffuna> Sorry for slow response, on you comment: <Always seemed odd to me that at Gettysburg the southern army was to the north and the northern army was to the south> A contrast between the 1862 Maryland campaign and the Gettysburg campaign illustrates your observation

Lee's 1862 Maryland campaign was more 'spur of the moment' than Lee's 1863 Pennsylvania campaign (Gettysburg), which was the result of detailed plans worked out by Lee over a period of months. Specific marching orders for each corps were tediously worked out spreading the columns over multiple roads to avoid congestion and increase speed. The direction from Fredricksburg was NW through Culpeper, over the Blue Ridge and into the Shenandoah valley, then north to Williamsport and over the Potomac into Pennsylvania. The march route was much further west than what was seen in the 1862 Maryland campaign, which was basically a lunge directly north crossing the Potomac near Leesburg and on into Maryland.

The Pennsylvania campaign was a gigantic foraging raid designed to obtain livestock to be sent south while also obtaining items vital to the army, like shoes, hats, leather goods, metal goods, etc. Indiscriminate looting of private property was forbidden. So, the foraging columns ranged west then north to Chambersburg then East passing Gettysburg all the way to York and Harrisburg.

While the Battle was a disaster for Lee, the foraging aspects were very successful. Its estimated that Lee "obtained" from Northern farmers upwards 25,000 livestock (cattle, sheep, pigs) that were shipped south. That was enough meat to feed Lee's army for an entire year. And those numbers don't include horses confiscated for the army

After Hooker was relieved by Meade, Meade immediately ordered his columns northwards on parallel roads to find and engage the Rebels. By then, the Rebels had already advanced eastward to York and so were positioned north of the Union army.

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