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|Jul-22-11|| ||keypusher: Blood will tell.|
|Jul-22-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: On 28 bxc4 d4 29 Nxd4 Qxc5 30 Nf5 Rxd1+ 31 Qxd1 Rxe3 32 Nxe3 Qxa7 Black is a piece ahead. Providing that White has not blundered in time trouble or something Kramnik may have scored a win worthy of a brilliancy prize.|
|Jul-22-11|| ||galumph: Presumably Meier lost on time. Stockfish shows a rep for white: 33. Qxf2 Rxe1+ 34. Rxe1 Bd4 35. Re8+ Kh7 36. Rh8+ Kg6 37. Rg8+ Kh7|
|Jul-22-11|| ||galumph: Woops. Forget it. I had the position set up wrong with no pawn on d3.|
|Jul-22-11|| ||Administrator: Thanks to everyone for being here today. Tomorrow we will continue our coverage of the Biel tournament starting at 8:AM USA/Eastern time. Hope that you'll be able to watch with us.|
|Jul-22-11|| ||Marmot PFL: <On 28 bxc4 d4 29 Nxd4 Qxc5 30 Nf5 Rxd1+ 31 Qxd1 Rxe3 32 Nxe3 Qxa7 Black is a piece ahead. >|
What happens though if white plays 32 fe3 Qxa7 33 Qe8+? Looks like at least perpetual but I suspect white has more...will have to check this out.
|Jul-22-11|| ||Marmot PFL: Better yet 33 Ne7+ followed by Qd8+ or Bh7+, game over.|
|Jul-22-11|| ||Blunderdome: Crazy finish.|
|Jul-22-11|| ||Honza Cervenka: 29.Rxd4 looks interesting for white.|
|Jul-22-11|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: Whoa, this is major.|
|Jul-22-11|| ||checkmateyourmove: drawnik has now left the building, and crazynik is in... beauty of a game!|
|Jul-22-11|| ||Hesam7: <Honza Cervenka: 29.Rxd4 looks interesting for white.>|
And probably it would have brought a winning advantage for White: 29. Rxd4 Rxd4 30. Nb5 Qxc5 31. Nfxd4 Qe5 32. Qb1 Bf8 33. Bf5
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|Jul-22-11|| ||ajk68: Why would black respond to 29. Rxd4 with Rxd4 and not Bxd4,?|
|Jul-22-11|| ||Everett: It seems for the past 4 years or so Kramnik's play has become more provocative, if a tad less steady. A fantastic player still, who I hope enjoyed playing this game.|
|Jul-23-11|| ||DiscoJew: Purdy Vladimir, mucho purdy-ness!|
|Jul-23-11|| ||Domdaniel: Double check is such a lethal weapon. One pretty finish is 33.Nxd3? Rg2+ 34.Kh1 Rg1#.|
|Jul-23-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: <On 28 bxc4 d4 29 Nxd4 Qxc5 30 Nf5 Rxd1+ 31 Qxd1 Rxe3 32 fe3 Qxa7 Better yet 33 Ne7+ followed by Qd8+ or Bh7+, game over.>
This suggests that on 32 fxe3 Black can't allow the check 33 Ne7+ by playing 32...Qxa7 and that 32...Bf8 or 32...Bf6 is better.|
|Jul-23-11|| ||newton296: anybody having problems loading the pgn into an engine! |
the moves for this game are all in one big line forcing me to scroll just to copy them?
|Jul-23-11|| ||Winsome Knight: <newton296> Just click on Ctrl+A and copy the pgn and then paste it in Notepad. Go to 'Format' and click on 'word wrap'. You will get it in multiple lines and you don't have to scroll a single line.|
|Jul-23-11|| ||Honza Cervenka: <ajk68: Why would black respond to 29. Rxd4 with Rxd4 and not Bxd4,?> It doesn't help black, for example 29.Rxd4 Bxd4 30.Bxd4 Bxf3 (What else? 30...Rxd4 fails for 31.Re5 ) 31.Nc8 Qe4 32.Bf6 Rxc8 (Rook had no retreat.) 33.Rxc8 Rxc8 34.Bxc8 Bxe2 35.h4 Bxc4 (35...Qc6 36.Ba1! Qxc8 37.Qc3 ) 36.Bb7 Qxb7 37.Qxc4 and the dust settled down and white has extra Pawn and Pg5 is going to fall (37...gxh4? 38.Qg4+ ).|
|Jul-23-11|| ||newton296: <lhumbrus: On 28 bxc4 d4 29 Nxd4 Qxc5 30 Nf5 Rxd1+ 31 Qxd1 Rxe3 32 Nxe3 Qxa7 Black is a piece ahead. Providing that White has not blundered in time trouble or something Kramnik may have scored a win worthy of a brilliancy prize.>|
the problem with posting long lines with a win at the end is the line is usually wrong on the 3 or 4th move! in this case 32)Nxe3 is wrong!! instead, 32 Qd8+ and white is actually winning! so there goes your kramnik could have won a brilliancy theory!
G Meier - V Kramnik, Dortmund 0:00:33-0:01:33 2011
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Analysis by Houdini 1.5a x64:
1. (3.21): 32.Qd8+ Bf8 33.fxe3 Be4 34.Nxh6+ Kh7 35.Ng4 Bf5 36.Nb5 Bxg4 37.Bxg4 Nc6 38.Qd3+ Kg8 39.Bf3 Ne5
2. (1.89): 32.fxe3 Be4 33.Qd8+ Kh7 34.Nc8 Nc6 35.Qe8 Bxf5 36.Bxf5+ Qxf5
|Jul-24-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: <newton296: the problem with posting long lines with a win at the end is the line is usually wrong on the 3 or 4th move!>
In that case I hope to address the problem by revising the line after the error at the third or fourth move is pointed out.|
<in this case 32)Nxe3 is wrong!! instead, 32 Qd8+ and white is actually winning! so there goes your kramnik could have won a brilliancy theory! > This warrants looking at further, but if Black cannot do better this certainly suggests that the game isn't worthy of a brilliancy prize.
|Jul-24-11|| ||Richard Taylor: Was this a blitz game? Wha- wha- wha- ha - ha- happened!?|
|Jul-25-11|| ||Ulhumbrus: <Richard Taylor: Was this a blitz game? Wha- wha- wha- ha - ha- happened!?>|
Here is a part of what happened, in the final half a dozen moves.
Dramatic things began to happen at move 27 when Kramnik obstructed the two white pieces defending White's Rook on c5 - White's Queen and Queen's Bishop - by the moves 27...Nc4 and 28..d4 respectively.
After taking the Rook by 28...Qxc5 Kramnik opened the g1-a7 diagonal as well as attacking again the e2 pawn by 29...d3. Kramnik then took the e2 pawn and attacked the f2 pawn by 30..Rxe2. Then Kramnik took the f2 pawn by 31...Rxf2 whwreupon White resigned.
Now if White had played the best moves the game might have warranted a brilliancy prize. However as kibitzers such as <Marmot PFL> and <newton296> have indicated White did not play the best moves and could have got the advantage instead of losing the game.
So that is a part of what happened. There is the matter of whether Black played the best moves before all this.
|Aug-03-11|| ||cludi: My video annotation of this game is available on youtube
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