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| Aug-21-22 | | saturn2: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou... |
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| Aug-21-22 | | thegoodanarchist: According to the db, this game was played in Gashimov's second-to-last event before leaving chess due to health issues. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | goodevans: Not often that I get a Sunday puzzle so quickly but I had spent quite a bit of time looking at this position just a few weeks ago: Stein vs Tal, 1961 <SF's annotation is equally abrupt with <... better is 10.Bd5 ⩲ +0.66 (22 ply)> as if this move needs no further explanation. In fact 10.Bd5 b4 11.Bxa8 bxc3 is pretty complicated but is now known to theory (e.g. Giri vs V Gashimov, 2012) with the results actually favouring Black just slightly.> |
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Aug-21-22
 | | scormus: Accepting the W piece sac on d5 is generally risky in the Najdorf, and the significance of that was obviously well appreciated by both Giri, playing 10 Bd5 and Gashimov not capturing. 10 ... b4 was the natural reply since d5 was no longer available for the WN. By rejecting 10 Bb3, Giri's strategy must have been to win the exchange, hoping it would be enough to win the game. 17 Ra1 looks to have been an error of judgment, giving back the exchange without obvious compensation and landing him with a disjointed position. Even without analysis, 17 Qe3 would seem to keep W's position solid. |
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Aug-21-22
 | | agb2002: White threatens Bxa8.
The obvious 10... exd5 looks very worrying after 11.Nc6 and 12.exd5 followed by Rhe1, etc. In the case of 10... Rb8 11.Nc6 Qc7 12.Nxb8 wins an exchange (12... exd5 13.Nxd7) without compensation. In the case of 10... Ra7 11.Nc6 Qc7 12.Nxa7 the situation is similar (12... exd5 13.Nxc8). The first active idea that comes to mind, the maneuver Nb6-c4 and Qb4, is met with Nb3. Another option is 10... b4 11.Bxa8 bxc3 and if 12.Qxc3 then 12... Qxg5+ followed by 13... Qc5 keeps the material balance. If 12.bxc3 Qxa2 might give some chances. I'd settle for 10... b4. |
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Aug-21-22
 | | chrisowen: I'm tranquil its ebb b4 ford duddy anaconda jack icarus botch job think b4 found... |
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Aug-21-22
 | | Messiah: <chrisowen: I'm tranquil its ebb b4 ford duddy anaconda jack icarus botch job think b4 found...> Censoring my report about continuous abuse of administrative privileges: 🆗 Censoring chrisowen gibberish: ⛔ |
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Aug-21-22
 | | offramp: <Messiah: <chrisowen:>> Owen has been on my blocked list for 10 years.
In all those years he has never made one syllable of sense. He is a waste of bandwidth, and I have 5G. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | stone free or die: <Messiah> most of us understand <chris>, yet you insist on turning your willful misunderstanding into a targeted crusade. A career change might be recommended. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | stone free or die: "Most of us", but maybe not all of us.
<CG> has room enough for most of us, certainly for <chris>. |
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Aug-21-22
| | chrisowen: Best behaviour no? |
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| Aug-21-22 | | goodevans: <offramp: <Messiah: <chrisowen:>> Owen has been on my blocked list for 10 years.
In all those years he has never made one syllable of sense...> That kinda begs the question how you would know. Not that I'm in any position to contradict as he's been on my (very short) blocked list for several years too. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: The King (me!) found the first moves but I gave up continuing this line, even before seeing what happened in the game, since -in my opinion- the White must answer: 12. ♕xc3. There's no reason to keep ♕ on board, with a bad protection for white ♔... and Black cannot continue with 12...Qxa2?? 13. ♕xc8+ ♔e7 14. ♘c6#. After 12...♕xc3 13.bxc3 White is developed, a ♖ by a ♗+♙, have ♗c6 for continue attack. I can't see any real advantage to Black after white correct move. Therefore, White played weak. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Another fault move: 17.♖a1? giving back all the advantage... 17.♗xd5! with 'same idea' is much more chess: 17...♕xd5 18. ♕xd5 exd5 19. fxg5 white has a quality and Black has no ♗ pair to compensate. After17...♗xf4+ 18. ♕xf4 ♕xd5 19. ♕g3 O-O 20. ♔e2 and White will try to 'castle' his ♔ and follow the game with his advantage. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | devere: < King.Arthur.Brazil: Another fault move: 17.♖a1? giving back all the advantage... 17.♗xd5! with 'same idea' is much more chess: 17...♕xd5 18. ♕xd5> 18...Bxf4+, followed by 19...exd5, and Black wins. Simply 17.Qe3 with approximate equality is best. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | devere: <King.Arthur.Brazil: The King (me!) found the first moves but I gave up continuing this line, even before seeing what happened in the game, since -in my opinion- the White must answer: 12. ♕xc3. > on 12. ♕xc3? Black plays 12...Qxg5+ with advantage. |
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Aug-21-22
| | offramp: <goodevans: <offramp: <Messiah: <chrisowen:>>
Owen has been on my blocked list for 10 years.
In all those years he has never made one syllable of sense...> That kinda begs the question how you would know. Not that I'm in any position to contradict as he's been on my (very short) blocked list for several years too.> Well done, Sherlock!
As with <Messiah>'s kibitz earlier, I occasionally see people's responses to Owens (in guillemets). |
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| Aug-21-22 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: Let me say some words to comfort our friend <Chris>: he is a smart guy that jokes with words and with its sounds. He mix words from many countries, sometimes, words from a particular English (maybe from Scotch-land, Gales, Ireland, New Zealand), sometimes from German, French, Italian, Holland, Swedish, God knows where, even from Portuguese I had saw one word. It is quite rare that one can translate everything he writes, but it is another brain-storm to do it. Could it be ESPERANTO? I don't know. He is very funny and challenging doing that. The one who can translate Chris, must be given a medal. Thank you so much friend, you show to everybody, that different members and persons like Chess. Let the King (who?) be your guest! |
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| Aug-21-22 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: <Devere> thank you. But, for your line, the King saw: 12...♕xg5+ 13. ♔b1 ♘b6 14. ♕c7 ♘fd7 15. ♗c6. Maybe, 13...♘c5 14.b4! ... there is game yet. Black ♔ first rank is weak and white can explore this.
And for the other, I gave the line 17...♗xf4+ in the bottom of the same comment. White cannot passively watch the game, has to fight. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | Hercdon: As an American, I�m ok in general with what people say, and I�ve grown to tolerate gibberish (there�s lots and lots of it over here). Why block someone when u might miss something truly clever, funny or honest? Carpe diem my friends! |
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Aug-21-22
| | offramp: <Hercdon: ...Why block someone when u might miss something truly clever, funny or honest?> In Owens's case, you will have to level, flatten the Andean Mountain Range and ground it to atoms until you found one three-word comprehensible sentence by him. |
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| Aug-21-22 | | devere: < King.Arthur.Brazil: <Devere> thank you. But, for your line, the King saw: 12...♕xg5+ 13. ♔b1 ♘b6 14. ♕c7 ♘fd7 15. ♗c6. Maybe, 13...♘c5 14.b4! ... there is game yet.> On 13...Qc5! Black stands better |
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| Aug-22-22 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: <Devere> Yes, I'm really sleepy today... But the King didn't like 12.bxc3 either way. Maybe, 12. ♕e3 cxb2+ 13. ♔b1 etc. Another thing, Why didn't White simply played 15. ♗xe4 d5 16. ♗d3 Now, Black has no real threat, White has taken his ♗ back and will pressure 'a' file and win that ♙.15. ♕xe4 was also a weak move. 17.♕e3 as mentioned is preferable to 17.♖a1?. |
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| Aug-22-22 | | Hercdon: <offramp> <chrisowen: Best behaviour no?> here�s 3 words that qualify no? |
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| Aug-23-22 | | stone free or die: <offramp> you do realize that some find you almost as unfathomable? Marianas Trench unfathomable. |
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