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Anish Giri vs Dalibor Stojanovic
European Championship (2012), Plovdiv BUL, rd 3, Mar-22
Slav Defense: Czech. Wiesbaden Variation (D17)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Mar-23-12  amaurobius: K, R and two connected pawns against K and R in the ending. Shouldn't white have been able to win this?

Either way, kudos to Stojanovic for holding the draw!

Mar-23-12  cro777: Position after 59.Rxd2


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is a tablebase draw. Black plays 59...Kf5 as Stojanovic did.

Mar-23-12
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  AylerKupp: I thought that 41.a6 eliminating the q-side pawns was tantamount to a draw offer and that 41.Ng4 would win a pawn after 41...h5 42.Nf6 and then either 42...h5 43.Nxd5 exd5 44.Kxd5 (if 43...Rd7 then 44.Rb5) or 42...Bc6 (or 42...Ba2) 43.Nxh5.

But, per Stockfish 2.2.2, d=40, the best that White can do after 41.Ng4 is 41....Rc4+ 42.Kd3 Ra4 43.Nxh6 Ra3+ 44.Kd4 Ra4+ 45.Kd3 and a draw by repetition.


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And, as <cro777> pointed out, after 59.Rxd2 it's a draw per the Nalimov tablebases after 59...Kf5 60.e6 Ra6 61.e7 Re6+ in spite of White's temporary 2 pawn advantage. So, yes, kudos to Stojanovic for seeing all this.

Mar-24-12
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  Penguincw: Giri should've won it. All it takes, is some patience.

ENDGAME STATS

Superior (White): 79.2%
Draw: Happens 20.5%
Inferior (Black): 0.3%

Endgame Explorer: RPP vs R

Mar-24-12  amaurobius: <KKDEREK> <cro777> <AylerKupp> <Penguincw> Thank you all for your responses. Wonderful things, tablebases! - it's completely counter-intuitive that there should be no win available for white.
Mar-24-12
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  AylerKupp: <Penguincw> That's why you need to be careful with statistics. Surely RPP vs. R would win in the very large majority of cases but everything depends on the actual position. And in the Endgame Explorer you cited there were 2,668 games listed with 546 (20.5%) of the games drawn which is not an inconsiderable amount. And John Nunn in his book on rook endgames indicates that the most common exception to the case of RPP vs. R winning is when the pawns are blockaded as was the case in this game. Dvoretzky in his endgame book makes a similar observation, indicating that the best chances for a successful defense exist when the (inferior side's) king blocks the (superior side's) pawns as was also the case in this game.

There were even 9 games listed (0.3%) where the lone rook won! This made me curious so, having some time on my hands, I looked at those games listed and here is what I found. I used the on-line Nalimov tablebases at http://chessok.com/?page_id=361 to determine what the game's outcome should have been.

<amaurobius> Yes, wonderful things, tablebases.

1. Colle vs Ahues, 1930. Shown as the inferior side winning but in reality the superior side (White) won.

2. F J Sanz Alonso vs Granda-Zuniga, 1991. First I thought this was the famous M Ortueta vs J Sanz, 1933 in which Sanz's pawns overcome N+R which if you haven't seen it, you must. But in this game it also shows the superior side (Black) winning.

3. K Urban vs D Rogic, 1997. Yes, the inferior side wins but I suspect that the superior side (White) lost on time since the final position is a draw.

4. A Breier vs J Gottschalk, 1998. Another suspected loss on time since the final position is a draw even though White is 2 connected and unblockaded pawns up.

5. Piket vs Anand, 1998. Incredible blunder by Anand (Black), probably in time pressure, putting his rook en prise while 2 pawns up, allowing the inferior (but not in the final position!) side to win. The game is otherwise a win for the superior side.

6. A Shaley vs K Mueller, 1999. Weird. White is up 2 pawns and the final position is a win for White. Yet the game score is 0-1 with a cryptic note for the final move 58.Kf6 which says "Forfeited. 1-0 for rating." Whatever that means.

7. Gelfand vs Shirov, 2001. A blindfold game which perhaps explains the superior side (White) putting his rook en prise in a drawn position.

8. R Kempinski vs V Sergeev, 2005. An apparent loss of time by the superior side (White) after first losing a pawn in a won position. And the final position was still won for White even though he was only one pawn up.

9. Y Visser vs J Smeets, 2006. The oddest, funniest, and saddest game of all. First the inferior side (White) puts his rook en prise in a lost position. In time trouble, Black doesn't notice that he could capture White's rook with his rook, makes a king move, and allows White to capture his rook, leaving him in a lost position. Presumably enraged at himself Black plays on, first losing both his pawns and playing on until mate, forcing White (rated 2480!) to demonstrate that he's capable of winning a KR vs. K endgame. Per the kibitzing in the game the loser (Smeets) "stormed out of the playing hall closely followed by a huge bang. Apparently he karate-kicked a door open."

So, we have to remember to be careful with statistics, particularly with small sample sizes, since things may not always be what they seem. And never give up on a seemingly lost game.

Mar-24-12
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  Penguincw: < AylerKupp: <Penguincw> That's why you need to be careful with statistics. Surely RPP vs. R would win in the very large majority of cases but everything depends on the actual position. >

I'm aware that the position matters. However, I took the easy way out (the difficult way would be to review EVERY single one of the games with the ending and decide if it truly represents the ending or not).

Mar-24-12
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  AylerKupp: <Penguincw> I agree. That's why I also took the easy way out and only looked at the 9 games that indicated a win for the side with only the lone rook. And, granted that 9 games doesn't make a good statistical sample but it makes me wonder about the accuracy of the statistics in the Endgame Explorer if out of the 9 games there were 2 out-and-out classification mistakes (the first 2 games), 3 likely time losses, and 4 major blunders (which were the reason for the "inferior side wins" classification). It probably shouldn't have been unexpected that unless it's a problem-like situation the side with the lone rook should never have won. And with over 600,000 games in the chessgames.com database it is probably impossible to go through every game that reaches the endgame and verify that it is correctly classified!

But, still, rook endings are the mostly likely drawn endings when one side has a material advantage, except possibly endings with BOC. It obviously takes more than patience to win a game, one must also achieve a winning position. The endgame can probably be considered to have started around move 30 or so when each side was down to 2 pieces plus pawns, and the game went on for another 51 moves. So I think that Giri was both persistent and patient in his attempt to win the game. Therefore I didn't think that saying that "Giri should've won it. All it takes, is some patience." did justice to the fine job that Stojanovic did in holding the draw (I surely wouldn't have been able to do it), and Giri's attempt to win the game, particularly without any analysis indicating how Giri might have done so.

And I hope that you at least perversely enjoyed the Y Visser vs J Smeets, 2006 game as much as I did. I once resigned a game in which I had a forced mate in about 5 moves or so because I thought I was being mated myself (I overlooked a discovered check that would have allowed me to escape a back rank mate, and I'm not even sure I was in time trouble) so I sort of know how Smeets felt. I can still remember all my "friends" watching the game laughing at me!

Mar-24-12
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  Penguincw: Yep I did. Wow, it's amazing what time trouble can do.
Mar-28-12  Albertan: Fourth seed, 18-year-old Dutchman Anish Giri (2717, NED) is still having a terrible time in this tournament. He suffered his third loss today, this time with the white pieces against Hungarian Tamas Fodor (2482, HUN). His rating performance is 2438 and he stands to lose 25 point on the FIDE list.

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