| Jun-06-12 | | iking: naubosan ng gas si wesley? |
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| Jun-06-12 | | spawn2: Hope someone can show the winning line GM Wes missed. Checked chessbomb's Houdini eval, it did not show any blood during the crucial part of the game. It's possible that the depth of it's analysis is not enough to see how Wes could have won. Thanks |
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| Jun-06-12 | | wordfunph: Wanted: Sure-Fire Winning Line for White
1000 chessbucks who could prove that Wesley should have won this game. anyone? |
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| Jun-06-12 | | maelith: I guess it's now time to open the huge rook endgame books of Korchnoi, Nunn, and Sysmlov to see if there are similar game,heheheh, I want the bet just kidding.. |
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| Jun-06-12 | | wordfunph: off-topic..
btw brod <maelith>, yong sandamakmak mong chessbooks eh nasa akin pa rin and comfortably sitting sa bookshelf ko. Alagang alaga, kulang na lang eh paliguan ko pa hehe. Again, thank you for the valuable chessbooks. |
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| Jun-06-12 | | wordfunph: bro <maelith>, base sa catalog ko nasa 462 volumes ng books/booklets plus 82 magazines. |
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| Jun-06-12 | | maelith: Wow bro that's great dami mo collections,hehehe.. |
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| Jun-06-12 | | wordfunph: thanks bro, legacy ko sa aking mga anak at kanilang mga anak-anakan hakhak! |
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| Jun-07-12 | | novice.forever: hi wordfunph.. if you're looking for the enggame lines, have you tried the Shredder website? http://www.shredderchess.com/online... .. it appears Wes really could have won the game.. siguro dahil time pressured na sya kaya draw nalang. |
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| Jun-07-12 | | novice.forever: starting at move 57, here is what the Shredder endgame DB is saying: http://i49.tinypic.com/wi7qr6.png |
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| Jun-07-12 | | bubuli55: Ano Kaya ang sabi ni hudi sa 46.Rd4 |
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| Jun-07-12 | | poszvald: I think white move 68 was bad, should have moved Rf2. 1, If king starts to closen to pawn pawn can advance because king is too far away. 2, The only one black can do, is to move to row eight and stand before the pawn, but in this case white does not move pawn just gets closer to his own pawn.... |
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| Jun-08-12 | | Artsemthon: Still a draw: 68...Kc7 69.f6 Ra8! 70.Kg3 Kd6 71.Kg4 Ke6 72.Kg5 (72.f7 Ke7 73.Kg5 Kf8) 72...Kf7. |
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| Jun-08-12 | | TugasKamagong: The last phase of the endgame comes after 56.Rxg4 Kxa5:
click for larger viewIf we use the Nalimov tablebase from the website <novice.forever> gives above, www.shredderchess.com, it will tell us that White has a tablebase win. Here White's task is to reach the Lucena Position, while Black will try
to prevent that and reach the Philidor Position instead, which is a draw. White should cut off the enemy king by at least one file, and his own king should lead the pawn and help it reach the 7th rank. Wesley's first few moves from here are correct: 57.Rc4 Rh8
58.f3 Kb5
59.Rc1 Re8+
60.Kf2 Rh8
click for larger viewThe moves by both sides have not always been shredder.com's first choices, but so far White still has a tablebase win. But here Wesley played 61.f4. Shredder says the position is now a draw. The database's recommendation is
61.Ke3 Re8+
62.Kd4 Rd8+
63.Ke5 Re8+
64.Kd6 Rd8+
65.Ke7 Rd4
66.Rf1 Rf4
67.Kd6 Kb6
68.Ke5 Rc4
69.f4 Rc5+
70.Kf6 Rc6+
71.Kg5 Kc7
72.f5 Kd7
73.Rf1 Rc5
click for larger viewWhite has cut off the enemy king by one file, and his own king has escorted the pawn to the 5th rank. Two more squares to go for the pawn before the Lucena Bridge can be built: 74.Kg6 Rc4
75.f6 Rg4+
76.Kf7 Rf4
77.Kg7 Rg4+
78.Kf8 Rf4
79.f7 Rf2
click for larger viewEnemy king cut off by one file, pawn on the 7th. Time for White to build the Bridge. 80.Rg1 Rf3
81.Rg7 ...
click for larger viewAnd there's the Lucena Bridge. The White rook acts as a bridge for his king, who can now move off to make way for the pawn. The Black rook has no check on the g file. 81... Rf2
82.Kg8 Ke6
83.f8=Q |
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| Jun-21-12 | | wordfunph: as annotated by Bobby Ang..
<Do I blame Wesley for failing to win this end game? Of course not -- he played 28 moves of a difficult rook and pawn end game against a 2700+ player and made only one mistake. Let us just consign this game to the list of the big fish who got away.> http://www.bworldonline.com/content... |
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| Jan-10-13 | | checkbyrepitition: anyare? |
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| Jan-10-13 | | Jim Bartle: It sure is easy looking at a position for whatever time you need with access to tablebases and the like. Not quite the same sitting at the board across from a 2700 player with the clock ticking, after probably four or five hours of play. |
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| Jan-10-13 | | Pulo y Gata: White has labored hard and long to arrive at a winning endgame, only to throw it away with 61.f4. Pressure, tiredness, there's nothing like sitting at the board across a strong opponent, as <Jim Bartle> points out. Here's another example of a strong GM losing the advantage after some hard work: [Event "Calvia ol (Men)"]
[Date "2004.10.29"]
[Round "14"]
[White "Movsesian, Sergei"]
[Black "Sadvakasov, Darmen"]
[FEN " 
click for larger view59. Kc6? <59. Kc5 was simply winning as after 59...a3 60.bxa3 Ke7 61.Kb6 Kd7 62.Kb7, Black's King cannot enter c8. This line is quite simple and spotting the key squares should be easy for the GM in 'normal' condition, but perhaps the long game has taken its toll...> 59... Ke6 60. Kb5 a3 61. bxa3 <Maybe this is what White missed?> 61...Kd7 62. Kb6 Kc8 1/2-1/2 |
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Jan-10-13
 | | perfidious: This game, and the example provided by <Pulo y Gata>, serve as cautionary tales in another aspect: one must have the stamina, understanding and knowledge at the board, as there are no longer adjournments to allow one to burn the midnight oil. <Jim>'s remarks are bang on and should be required reading for the computer crowd who sit behind their silicon creations and pontificate over the slightest error, as they proclaim how poorly games are played by even the greatest players. |
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| Jan-10-13 | | Jim Bartle: Well, I should give a little credit to Nigel Short, who hammered me pretty good a couple of years ago for doing just that. In his comments for Fischer vs Tal, 1961 in 60 Memorable Games, Fischer emphasized how difficult it is to beat the top players. So-Navara is another example. |
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Jan-10-13
 | | HeMateMe: I don't think he's quite the same, without Kurt Cobain. |
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