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Levon Aronian vs Magnus Carlsen
World Championship Candidates (2013), London ENG, rd 1, Mar-15
Bogo-Indian Defense: Exchange Variation (E11)  ·  1/2-1/2

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Mar-15-13  Mr. Bojangles: <Mar-15-13
chancho: Aronian is so comfortable in his skin when he is talking to others. >

Yet to meet someone comfortable in another person's skin while talking.

Mar-15-13  goldenbear: <Yet to meet someone comfortable in another person's skin while talking.> Really? I have a friend who does great impressions. You should meet him.
Mar-15-13
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  eternaloptimist: a perfectly symmetrical position at move 31 = draw by agreement...a boring game. Although I can't blame them for being cautious in their 1st game.
Mar-15-13
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  beenthere240: The more you play the game over, the more depressing it gets. The only admirable feature is how they seem to conspire to arrange at the final symmetrical position. As far as draws being part of chess -- that's an old argument but this game does not shed light on it. 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Ng1 Ng8. Draw agreed.
Mar-15-13  Ezzy: A slight indication that the game was dull is when Carlsen and Pein talk for 10 minutes about the upcoming Norwegian Supertournament, and 5 seconds about the game itself.

Better things to come though. Let's call today 'A warm up.'

Mar-15-13  WiseWizard: Magnus opening play here is immaculate, it is really beautiful in its precision. Aronian had no choice but to liquidate. I got great satisfaction from watching this game (over and over) because of black's opening. The clarity is what I love. Is the rest of his preparation this perfect? Is this how he plays when he prepares correctly? Is it even possible to play a decisive game only playing perfect clean moves like this? I mean Qe7, Rd8, Nd7, dxc, c5, Qxc5, b5, Bb7. Each one of these moves has a perfect, clear idea not one degree of ambiguity. I feel like he is showing great respect to the game by playing so professionally and he is worthy of competing against Anand for the championship.
Mar-15-13
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  floorwax: Finished with a heart, or a bow on top.
Mar-15-13  lost in space: <<WiseWizard:> Magnus opening play here is immaculate, it is really beautiful in its precision. Aronian had no choice but to liquidate. I got great satisfaction from watching this game (over and over) because of black's opening. The clarity is what I love. Is the rest of his preparation this perfect? Is this how he plays when he prepares correctly? Is it even possible to play a decisive game only playing perfect clean moves like this? I mean Qe7, Rd8, Nd7, dxc, c5, Qxc5, b5, Bb7. Each one of these moves has a perfect, clear idea not one degree of ambiguity. I feel like he is showing great respect to the game by playing so professionally and he is worthy of competing against Anand for the championship.>

Can you please tell me what you smoke? Must be real good stuff.

Mar-15-13
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  Eyal: If White wants to try and get anything out of this line, he probably has to play cxd5 somewhere between moves 9-11 - just letting Black get on with the dxc4/b5/c5 plan doesn't cut it.

At any rate, the classic Bogo-Indian has a long reputation of solidity - suffice it to say that was a favorite opening of both Petrosian & Ulf Andersson.

Mar-15-13  Ezzy: <Eyal: suffice it to say that was a favorite opening of both Petrosian & Ulf Andersson.>

Say no more.

Kramnik's never played it. (Ok, once in a simul)

Aronian's played it 10 times (Last in 2004) but has a terrible minus 3 score with it. Can't see the Bogo being part of Lev's repertoire in this tournament :-)

Today was the first time ever that Radjabov has played the Bogo!

Grischuk played the Bogo in last years World Mind Games Blindfold, but perhaps he couldn't see what he was doing.

Svidler wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

Gelfand played it once 25 years ago and that was enough.

Ivanchuk has played it against 3 players in this tournament, Radjabov, Grischuk and Gelfand.

Mar-15-13
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  tpstar: I'm under a spell again (1. d4 Nf6), boy I'm wondering why (2. c4 e6)/This is not a game of love but (3. Nf3 Bb4+) an emotional tie (4. Bd2 Bxd2+)/I'm trying to figure out my heart (5. Qxd2 d5) but I can't offer you proof (6. Nc3 0-0)/Of why we should never be apart (7. e3 Qe7) and that is the (8. Rc1 Rd8) THAT IS THE (9. Qc2 a6) that is the truth! [last book move]/Oh shake your love (10. a3 Nbd7), I just can't shake your love (11. Be2)/Shake your love [11. cxd5 exd5 12. Bd3 c6 ], I just can't shake your love (11 ... dxc4) [=]/Shake your love (12. Bxc4 c5), I just can't shake your love (13. Be2 b5)/Shake your love (14. dxc5 Qxc5), I just can't shake your love (15. b4 Qe7)/Do you know why I stop and stare (16. 0-0 Bb7) and smile when you walk by (17. a4)/And how I call you up at night [17. Rfd1 Rac8 =], I hang up the phone and I cry (17 ... Qxb4)/If I never got to know you so well (18. axb5 axb5), maybe I would be fine (19. Qb1 Qxb1)/Baby you know that I can't tell (20. Rxb1 Bxf3) why you should be (21. Bxf3 Rab8) YOU SHOULD BE (22. Nxb5 Ne5) you should be mine! (23. Nd4 Nxf3+)/Oh shake your love (24. Nxf3 Rxb1), I just can't shake your love (25. Rxb1 h6)/Shake your love (26. h3 g5), I just can't shake your love (27. g4 Kg7)/Shake your love (28. Kg2 Rd7), I just can't shake (29. Rb2 Rc7)/Shake your love (30. Nd4 Nd5), I just can't shake your love (31. Rc2 1/2-1/2) - Debbie Gibson + Fritz 7, "Shake Your Love"
Mar-15-13  jaseemalikt: there is a heart in the final position
Mar-15-13  parisattack: <jaseemalikt: there is a heart in the final position>

Good spot. You should play Go, you'd be a natural.

Mar-15-13
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  Eyal: Btw, the Bogo-Indian also became a favorite of Spassky during the 80s, especially when he wanted to finish the game early and go play tennis (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...).
Mar-15-13  catlover: Maybe they'll give a prize at the end of the tournament for the most symmetrical positions.
Mar-15-13  notyetagm: <Mr. Bojangles: <notyetagm: Aronian vs Carlsen, 2013 Wow, completely toothless opening by White. Aronian got *zero* advantage from the opening.> If black plays correctly, white is not supposed to get anything out of an opening. DUH!>

Uh, no. If White and Black both play accurately White should have a small advantage most of the time.

White has to play an inaccuracy in order for Black to equalize, which Aronian did when he played the <TEMPO-LOSING> 11 ♗c1-e2?!. H3 suggest that Aronian should have instead played 11 c4xd5!? and entered the <CARLSBAD STRUCTURE>, with a slight advantage (+0.31).

http://chessbomb.com/o/2013-candida...

Mar-16-13  Karposian: The funny thing is that the position is symmetrical but White made the last move. That really shows how little Aronian got out of this game, he effectively ended up a tempo down.
Mar-16-13
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  Richard Taylor: I think Carlsen is holding back his main opening and so is Aronian. They didn't even play the Bogo very well. Just solid, wary chess.
Mar-16-13
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  Eyal: <I think Carlsen is holding back his main opening and so is Aronian.>

I don't think Carlsen even has a "main opening" anymore; in recent tournaments it's been rare to see him repeating the same opening twice. He picks the opening that he thinks would suit him best in a specific game against a specific opponent, and here he wanted to play as solidly as possible.

Mar-16-13  WiseWizard: The end of the aformentioned 11. cxd5 line:


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Harry says .37 for White. Doesn't look forced. Maybe someone tests Carlsen again in this line and we'll see what he had prepared.

Mar-16-13  joneil2862: Aronian should have played cxd5 at some time in the opening:

10.cxd5 exd5 11.Be2 g6 12.O-O Bf5 13.Qb3 Nc6 14.h3 Qd6 15.a3 Rab8 16.Qd1 Re8 17.Bd3 Bxd3 18.Qxd3 Ne4 19.b4 Rbd8 20.Qc2 Nxc3 21.Qxc3


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OR

11.cxd5 exd5 12.Na4 Nb6 13.Nc5 Nbd7 14.Nd3 c6 15.Be2 Ne4 16.O-O h6 17.h3 a5 18.Nf4 a4 19.Bd3 Rd8 20.Rfe1 Ndf6 21.Ne5 Bf5


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Mar-19-13
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  ajk68: So by the end of the game Carlsen was able to pick up 1 tempo!
Mar-21-13  Robyn Hode: A Bogo-Indian in a Candidates Tournament game. Unusual.
Mar-26-13  RookFile: I appreciate the final position of this game. Both players have a sense of humor.
Mar-26-13  JPi: <RookFile> But somehow White has lost the move.
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