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|Mar-28-13|| ||chancho: Aronian still is carrying the Gelfand loss on his mind.|
He mentioned it in the press conference.
|Mar-28-13|| ||boz: In the press conference, Aronian says that the tournament situation had no bearing on the way he played today ("absolutely not") and he stands by 22...g5.|
|Mar-28-13|| ||Fiberking: <boz: took a deep combination by Kramnik> You are certainly right about that.|
|Mar-28-13|| ||RookFile: You got to hand it to Svidler. He's always well prepared in the openings, and he carried the fight to Aronian today!|
|Mar-28-13|| ||csmath: This is a completely mad game by Aronian. Every now and then he has tendency to play coffee house chess and this is fine demonstration of that kind of chess. |
In general this does not play well against elite (say top 10) but it is understandable why he did it. His whole opening here sucks so instead of fighting for a draw he decided to mess it up. Didn't work, too bad.
Grischuk did similar thing against Svidler and it did produce a draw for Grischuk.
|Mar-28-13|| ||devere: "and he stands by 22...g5"
I hope he doesn't also stand by 23 ... b5?
|Mar-28-13|| ||boz: <Gypsy: <boz: Can anyone tell me why Svidler played 37.Kh2 and not 37.Kf2 (eliminating 37...Rf1? > ... 37.Kf2? Re6 ... I think.>|
Thanks Gypsy, I see that you are right.
|Mar-28-13|| ||notyetagm: Svidler vs Aronian, 2013|
<Worse still was what Levon Aronian did. Peter Svidler played the Saemisch variation of the Nimzo-Indian and got a space advantage and a small edge. <<<Aronian suddenly cooked up 22...g5? a move that any chess player would automatically feel should be bad. It did have its point but it was still a horrible move.>>> Svidler spent a long time trying to refute the move with 23.c6 which in fact isn't the best move, <<<23.Qe1 heading for the broken kingside is>>>, and Svidler couldn't make it work against 23...Nd5 but such was the strong impression that g5 was bad he didn't look elsewhere and assumed he would eventually find something. Aronian had missed 23.c6, didn't look in detail at 23...Nd5 <<<and went really berzerk with 23...b5?? after getting annoyed with himself for missing 23.c6.>>> Now Svidler really was winning and won quickly.>
A really bad day at the office for Aronian, 22 ... g7-g5? and 23 ... b7-b5??.
|Mar-28-13|| ||notyetagm: <chancho: Aronian still is carrying the Gelfand loss on his mind.|
He mentioned it in the press conference.>
Very sad. Aronian cannot get the Gelfand loss out of his mind.
Sometimes a loss cost you more than one point.
|Mar-28-13|| ||notyetagm: <csmath> OMG!! You are going to love this admission: |
Aronian played 21 ... ♕c7?! only so he could follow it up with 22 ... g7-g5?. Coffee house chess, just like you said.
"Actually Qc7 was only connected to the g5 try. I'm ashamed to admit." - Aronian.>
|Mar-28-13|| ||csmath: He swindled Svidler with g5 which was a "legitimate" move though white would stay somewhat better after Svidler went for his own swindling tactics with c6. That was I guess too much for Aronian. He admitedly does not calculate anything precisely just goes for a hunch so when you hit him back with some semi-legitimate moves then he loses it. This is the story here.|
23. ... b5? is inexplicable madness, makes little if any sense and loses the game outright.
|Mar-28-13|| ||csmath: In other words if he plays something semi-crazy, you play semi-crazy back (if you can find it) and then he will play something completely looney. Then you get him!|
Aronian is a funny guy.
|Mar-28-13|| ||chancho: From March 15th:
<chancho: I get the sense that it's Carlsen's time.
It seems that he is peaking at just the right time, and if reports are accurate that he has trained very hard to gain stamina, then he will be a very formidable player in this event.
Aronian, he is great, no doubt... but the question is: Is he ambitious enough and serious enough to win this?
(We'll see) >
|Mar-28-13|| ||notyetagm: <csmath: ... 23. ... b5? is inexplicable madness, makes little if any sense and loses the game outright.>|
|Mar-28-13|| ||Nerwal: To paraphrase Tartakower, the Sämisch has been so badmouthed it has become a playable opening again. 6. e3 ♕a5 certainly won't cause white sleepless nights.|
|Mar-28-13|| ||AylerKupp: <<plang> Doesn't seem necessary to be on the move if Radjabov resigned.>|
Oh yes it is. Don't you know about Kramnik's toilet troubles? If not, see http://chess.about.com/od/chesshist....
But I must admit that I didn't remember that incident at the time I was writing my post so, even though my intended meaning was that Kramnik was moving up in the tournament, I must have been subconsciously thinking of his toilet "issues" when I came up with my choice of words. :-)
|Mar-28-13|| ||wordfunph: "I can definitely say I got a bit lucky today."
- GM Peter Svidler
|Mar-29-13|| ||MarkThornton: 15....cxd4 looks like the start of Black's troubles. I'd prefer 15....0-0-0 myself.|
|Mar-29-13|| ||Richard Taylor: 22...g5 looks dubious.|
|Mar-29-13|| ||HeMateMe: The pawn trade at move 17 looked horrible. A backward Iso pawn that blocks in blacks Bishop. No me gusta.|
|Mar-29-13|| ||Ulhumbrus: An alternative to 12..fxe4 is 12...0-0|
|Apr-01-13|| ||Everett: <Marmot PFL: Aronian's 6...Qa5 looks suspiciously early (premature commitment).>|
We all know that no man should ever do this with a lady ;-)
|Apr-01-13|| ||perfidious: <Everett> Quite true, although in this line, there is plenty of precedent for said commitment: Games Like Svidler vs Aronian, 2013.|
|Apr-01-13|| ||Everett: <perfidious> seriously! If Boleslavsky played it vs Bronstein, it is good enough for me.|
|Apr-15-13|| ||Ulhumbrus: <HeMateMe: The pawn trade at move 17 looked horrible. A backward Iso pawn that blocks in blacks Bishop. No me gusta.>|
An alternative to 17...Qxc3 is the pawn sacrifice 17...Bc6 eg 18 Qxe6+ Kh8 19 Ng5 Qc7 20 Rae1 Rae8 21 Qh3 Qb6+ 22 Kh1 Qf2!
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