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| Aug-04-13 | | devere: It seems that rating points are more important to Kramnik than tournament victories or else he would have played 9...N(3)-d7 |
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Aug-04-13
 | | Dionysius1: <devere> And what would Kramnik's counterplay have been if he did play 9...N(3)-d7? |
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Aug-04-13
| | Dionysius1: It may be a fear of losing rating points, or it may be the more visceral fear of losing a game. |
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Aug-04-13
 | | plang: This wasn't a match - it was not all or nothing - to intentionally take on an inferior position and hope that Adams misplays it seems a bit irrational to me |
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| Aug-04-13 | | Illogic: Kramnik would be clearly worse after 9. Nd7. Adams found a forced drawing line, what are you gonna do. It would be of no benefit to Kramnik to play on. Rating points are important too. Kramnik is already locked into the next Candidates. Why? Because of his consistently high rating. |
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| Aug-04-13 | | fgh: It's a fun coincidence for sure - Kramnik faced Adams with black in the last round of the London Chess Classic 2012, Alekhine Memorial 2013, and this tournament, all of which happened in the last 12 months. |
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| Aug-04-13 | | cormier: 
click for larger view <<<<Houdini 3 Pro:>1. = (0.00): 10.Bb5+ N8d7 11.Qd1 a6 12.Be2 Nd5 13.exd6 exd6 14.Ng5 Qf6 15.Nxe6 fxe6 16.Nc3 Qxd4 17.Nxd5 Qxd5 18.Qxd5 exd5 19.Bf3 Nf6 20.0-0 0-0 21.Ra4 Rac8 22.Rb4 Rf7 23.Be3 Rc2 24.Bd1 Rc8 25.Bf3 Rc2> _____________________
2. = (0.00): 10.Qb5+ Bd7 11.Qd3 Nd5 12.Qb3 Bc6 13.Bc4 e6 14.0-0 0-0 15.exd6 Qxd6 16.Nc3 Ne7 17.Ne2 Nd5 18.Nc3 Ne7>_____________________
3. = (-0.12): 10.Qc2 Nd5 11.Bb5+ Nd7 12.exd6 exd6 13.Bg5 Qc8 14.Nc3 h6 15.Bd2 a6 16.Ba4 Nb4 17.Qe4 0-0 18.0-0 Nf6 19.Qf4 Rd8 20.Qh4 g5 21.Nxg5 hxg5 22.Bxg5 Nfd5 23.Rfc1 Nxc3 24.Rxc3 Qb8 25.Bxd8 Qxd8 26.Qxd8+ Rxd8 27.Rg3 Kh7 28.Rd1> |
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| Aug-04-13 | | SatelliteDan: I think Kramnik is over rated. |
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| Aug-04-13 | | YouRang: Don't be too hard on Kramnik. He didn't throw in the towel -- Adams took it from him! After <10.Qb5+>
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Kramnik (black) is forced to play <10...Bd7>. If 10...N6d7 to save the N, then 11.Qxb7 Nc6 12.Nc3!! (threatens d5, forking N & B; threatens Qxc6, because the Nc3 foils the tactical defense ...Rc8; guards Pa5; prevents ...Bd5). White is up a clean pawn. So, black needs <10...Bd7> to avoid losing the pawn, and probably the game. <11.Qb3>
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With the Nb6 in take, black might try 11...Nc8, but then again 12.Qxb7 Qc6 13.Bb5! pinning the Bc6, and White is winning. So, black needs <11...Be6> to avoid losing the pawn, and probably the game. And so it goes, 12.Qb5+ and black is *forced* into the repitition. |
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| Aug-04-13 | | Gypsy: <SatelliteDan: I think Kramnik is over rated.> Be more specific: What, in your estimate, should Kramnik's rating be? |
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| Aug-04-13 | | SatelliteDan: My meaning is he doesn;t play to win, but not to lose. But since you asked , appx 2770. |
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| Aug-04-13 | | Strongest Force: Smart play by Adams. I hope we will see him play more often in the future. |
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| Aug-04-13 | | SatelliteDan: What is the highest catagory tournament that kramnik has won, and how often? Sure he has won Dortmond , what 10 times in the last X years, but what was the average cat strenth? |
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| Aug-05-13 | | fgh: <SatelliteDan: I think Kramnik is over rated.> No, you do not think. You're welcome. |
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| Aug-05-13 | | fgh: <SatelliteDan: What is the highest catagory tournament that kramnik has won, and how often? Sure he has won Dortmond , what 10 times in the last X years, but what was the average cat strenth?> "Category", you "expert". Kramnik finished shared first in this year's most prestigious tournament (the Candidates). Did that one escape your notice? |
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| Aug-05-13 | | fgh: <Dortmond>
What's that? |
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| Aug-05-13 | | Karpova: Chessbase report: <Kramnik showed that he was in a fighting spirit today, not only opening with a Sicilian but following it up with a potentially hyper-accelerated dragon. Adams was in no mood for such foolishness and he used a clever move order to force Kramnik into a little known c3 Sicilian. As soon as move ten Adams was able to force Kramnik to repeat moves or lose the game, and with that Adams takes the tournament.>
Link: http://www.chessbase.com/Home/TabId... |
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| Aug-05-13 | | Sokrates: <csmath: One ought to add here the fact that yesterday's game against Caruana probably mentally drained Kramnik so much that he was simply not capable of going the distance one more time, and this time in inferior position.> That, and the "I don't want to lose" argument may be true. Also the impression that Adams has shown such brilliant play in this tournament that he would be too hard to beat with black. Otherwise I think that Kramnik's enormous experience and sense of the game should have prevented him from getting lured into the forced position in the game. He shouldn't have arrived there to begin with - he should have chosen something else, but yes, simple fatigue may have tolled. |
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| Aug-05-13 | | toposcar: In my town we have a saying: "it's very easy to be gay with others' axx...".
Why dont you admit, simply, that adams was lucky to find a hole in kramnik's preparation and exploited it?
Like andreikin did.
To some so called chess experts, like satellitedan, i hope they study history of chess before talking.
Kramnik has won more than 20 big tourneys, performing not rarely around or above 2900 (sometimes dangerously close to 3000).
And only his fighting spirit, yes!, has prevented him not to gain a much higher elo: count all games he spoiled against nakamura, caruana and others where he chose the most aggressive lines, played super risky sacrifices and obviously lost.
If kramnik behaved like your beloved carlsen, that never plays risky and aggressive, only hoping in a endgame marathon, he could now be easily beyond 2850. |
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| Aug-05-13 | | luzhin: In what sense was Adams "lucky to find" a hole in Kramnnik's presentation? Either he worked out the flaw over the board or he had accumulated enough knowledge of the variation to know immediately what to do. Either way, this is not "luck" but superb professionalism. |
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| Aug-05-13 | | Strongest Force: Adams has surely given us food for thought with this great variation. It is great because It's off-beat character makes black unsure about what to do. An extra bonus is that its both solid and aggressive. It would be worth one's time to be totally familiar with this opening and others like it. |
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Aug-07-13
 | | Eggman: Perhaps Adams was happy to draw here because, if seedings hold, Kramnik will be Adams' 4th round opponent in the World Cup. Adams got the draw to win the tournament here and at the same time managed to save his best prep. |
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| Aug-10-13 | | Illogic: <SatelliteDan> Kramnik won the Grand Slam Final in 2010 (cat 22). Probably the highest as I don't recall any tournaments that have exceeded 22. |
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| Aug-19-13 | | Everett: < SatelliteDan: My meaning is he doesn;t play to win, but not to lose. But since you asked , appx 2770.> Seems your IQ is over-rated. |
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Mar-01-19
 | | Clement Fraud: It is very interesting (at least, it is to me) that this game marks the very last time that Vladimir Kramnik played a Sicilian Defense; and furthermore, he hasn't employed the Sicilian on a regular basis since 2005. I find myself wondering why this is the case (since Kramnik's results with the opening were mostly excellent)? |
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