| Jun-05-14 | | Refused: Aronian must have missed that Rh4 idea entirely.
Like I said on the tournament thread, absolutely stunning, that Aronian got outwitted on tactical grounds. That's usually where Aronian is better than the other players. |
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| Jun-05-14 | | notyetagm: Grischuk vs Aronian, 2014 <Refused: <<<Aronian must have missed that Rh4 idea entirely.Like I said on the tournament thread, absolutely stunning, that Aronian got outwitted on tactical grounds.> >> That's usually where Aronian is better than the other players.> Not a surprise to me. Grischuk is one of the strongest tactical players there is. |
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| Jun-05-14 | | Refused: Yep, but as far as tacticians go, I rate Aronian higher. Like I said, Aronian is imo the strongest tactical player there is atm. I would not be surprised if Grischuk did something like this to a player like Giri, who is a very strong Super GM in his own right, but not as brilliant a tactician as his fellow 2.700 GMs. |
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| Jun-05-14 | | 1971: MVL is making a very strong case for best tactician. |
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| Jun-05-14 | | NeoIndian: I wonder, how do you guys measure their relative tactical strengths? I was planning to get the lot of them to sit in a row and solve a bunch of "White to play, mate in three" problems With stern instructions about not peeking at each other's solutions :) |
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| Jun-05-14 | | messachess: Yes MVL has quite a reputation apparently in blitz for lightning tactics. Also good positionally:
M Vachier-Lagrave vs Carlsen, 2011 |
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| Jun-05-14 | | csmath: 6. ...bxc3
[fxg7 is possible but has not led to much of anything for white due to straightforward cxd2 response.]7. ...e5
[Very old move dating to time of Reuben Fine and still looking good. However black should be very careful with his queen as white will undoubtedly try to harass it.] 8. ...Nc6
[8. ...exd4 is alternative.]
13. ...Qf5?
[Here Aronian makes a terrible error that will cost him the game despite all the fight he put after the move. Proper response was: 13. ...Qa6] 14. Rh4!
[Thunderbolt. Rf4 traps the queen and if 14. ...Nf6 15. Qe2 winning material. This must have been a moment of despair for Aronian.] Nothing Aronian did after this could change the fate of the game.
It is really not very often to see super-GM losing game in 13 moves. |
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Jun-05-14
 | | tamar: After game comments by Aronian and Grischuk http://www.livestream.com/norwayche... Both were familiar with the variation. Aronian said it was a memory problem. He had analyzed the position "a week ago in detail" but he remembered the losing plan without realizing that it had been losing. Grischuk said he was lucky because the whole variation had been invented by his friend Alexander Riazantsev, and he only had to work it out after 12...e4 |
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| Jun-05-14 | | iroozdar: Dear csmath, when you write: "6. ...bxc3", this mean that Black can take c3 square with b Pawn, but in Grischuk-Aronian this is impossible. Please see again to game. im sure you have very nice idea for this game but must be use standard chess writing, then we can understand your nice idea. Good luck! |
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| Jun-05-14 | | catlover: <iroozdar> Looks like csmath is describing white's 6th move. |
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| Jun-05-14 | | iroozdar: Dear catlover, yes i see bxc3 move but its from Grischuk (White) and must be write: 6.bxc3 NOT 6....bxc3, when use 3 Dot (...) this mean Black move. Please read csmath comment and see very 3 Dot for many moves, this is not standard chess write, if im wrong please learn to me, Thanks |
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| Jun-05-14 | | iroozdar: Dear catlover, if you understand csmath comment, Please write again with standard method that i understand, because i realy want understand idea from csmath, Thanks |
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| Jun-05-14 | | csmath: Yes, 6. bxc3, I just made typo. It is white move of course. |
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| Jun-05-14 | | iroozdar: Dear csmath, Thanks. you right about 13...Qf5, and 13...Qa6 was very better. BUT Please see again game and thinking about 12th move. i think break point was 12...e4 from Aronian. if he play 12...f5 or 12...Qd6, then we see board is about level. Good luck! |
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| Jun-06-14 | | Nerwal: <Grischuk said he was lucky because the whole variation had been invented by his friend Alexander Riazantsev, and he only had to work it out after 12...e4> I am not sure what he meant by that. The first moves have been known for a very long time (even 10. d5 Nb8, Korchnoi vs Ashley, 1996), so did he refer to 11. h4 specifically ? |
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Jun-06-14
| | tamar: <Nerwal> Grischuk does not say which move specifically was new. But he remembered that 11...Nd7 was not considered best, so it makes sense that 11 h4 was part of Riazantsev's analysis. |
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Jun-06-14
 | | offramp: Poor old Leave-Me Alonian is weeping, begging for his old schnozzola back. He has tried out the Anjelica Huston nose/lips combination and though he looks stunning he says he is having hallucinations of being "touched" and "loved" by a Jack Nicholson-like entity during games. The Jack Nicholson-like entity criticizes Alonian's moves in an aggressive Jake Gittes bark and makes it hard for the great Rhinoplastian to keep his concentration. |
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Jun-06-14
 | | chancho: Aronian has been getting the craponian beaten out of him quite a bit lately, eh? Gelfand, Tomashevsky, Van Wely, Anand, Andreikin, Mamedyarov, Nakamura, Carlsen, Grischuk. Each one taking their turn and smacking him upside the head. |
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| Jun-06-14 | | notyetagm: <1971: MVL is making a very strong case for best tactician.> Oui. :-) |
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| Jun-06-14 | | luzhin: Perhaps Aronian was hoping for 14.Bxe4 Qxe4+ 15.Kd2 Nb6 16.Re1 winning the Queen, but then 16...Nxc4+ 17.Kc1 Ba3 mate! |
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Jun-06-14
| | offramp: http://www.survivingcollege.com/wp-... "I missed the Rh4 idea completely". |
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| Jun-06-14 | | Everett: Mikenas-Carls victories warm my heart... |
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Kibitzing
sac: 14.Rh4
