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| Mar-09-16 | | Nickster: <AylerKupp: Since <morfishine> has me in his ignore list, could someone please tell him that I applaud his good judgment? And now I'm curious. There are currently 269 pages for this game. Since you apparently can't put yourself on ignore, could someone please do that (in case there's anyone out there who can still read this post) and tell me what the non-<AylerKupp> page count is?> With you on ignore it would be 247 pages.
I cannot understand why anybody would put you on ignore. I enjoy your posts. |
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| Mar-09-16 | | blue wave: Hey <AK> just put yourself only on favourites. That will tell you exactly how many pages you have done. It's a very useful tool for pinpointing comments if you know who the poster is, including yourself. |
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| Mar-09-16 | | Tiggler: <AylerKupp> is on ignore but <DanLanglois> is not. What can be the reason? <AylerKupp> needs to work on his impact factor. |
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Mar-10-16
 | | mistermac: The only time I ever put <AylerKupp> on my ignore list is to counts his pages. |
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| Mar-10-16 | | Pedro Fernandez: <<Tiggler>: Congratulations to Team White and Team Black for creating a pretty game. I did not sign on, but I have been following the position for the last month or so, wondering when the draw would be agreed. The finishing moves seemed like a dance to create an amusing way to draw.> And I'm wondering myself: Where is my great friend <Tiggler>? |
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| Mar-10-16 | | Pedro Fernandez: <<JustWoodshifting> (BTW, great job <JW>) and <RandomVisitor>, the very criticized move was not 10...f5, but 11...a5. Is this a computer move? So what? <kwid> criticized this move (between many others!) because this move does not belong to "KID class" (i.e. it is opposite to KID Theory), so what? Let's be realistic (what about the innovation in chess theory? Just saying), the certain is that 11...a5 destroys the powerful white a4,b4,c4,d5,e4 chain. And what happened at the end? Team White never exchanged our b7-pawn for white a5-pawn, why? Because the the dominion of a-file for our QR was really dangerous for the security of white king. So that, I cannot second such a criticism. |
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| Mar-10-16 | | hoodrobin: <mistermac: The only time I ever put <AylerKupp> on my ignore list is to counts his pages.> How many found?
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| Mar-10-16 | | hoodrobin: <Tiggler: <AylerKupp> is on ignore but <DanLanglois> is not. What can be the reason?> Because you are in love with <DanLanglois> I guess. LOL LOL LOL |
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Mar-10-16
 | | perfidious: <Nickster....I cannot understand why anybody would put you (AK) on ignore....> While I sometimes get lost in all the computer-generated stuff, neither do I understand that. To each his own. For the record, I show 262 pages visible at present. Guess that would be 240 without <AK>. (laughs) |
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| Mar-10-16 | | Pedro Fernandez: To my great friend <AylerKupp>: I figure out your great job along this game as I commented in my Team. I also worked out a lot, filling about 30 folios with my analyses, not all moves from my machines SF6-SF7. For example, the move 44.Qh3!? was indicated, at first instance by <kwid> (who I consider our first leader), and analyzed for himself, for <RandomVisitor> (the participation of this guy was simply impressive! When <kwid> needed about two weeks for vacations, <RV> took the command and he did everything perfect!), and for me between many others of our Teammates, as we posted. All these analyses led to a draw. I need to mention, specially, the work from <blue way>, <JustWoodshifting>, <MuzioFan>, <mistermac>, <morfishine>, <optimal play> (and counting!) were fantastic! Unfortunately we have not the support of <chrisowen>, <Eyal> and <Tabanus>, indeed three very strong chess players, but we could make our job very well! When <TW> did play 43.Qg2 I thought you want to continuing playing, through 44.Qf5!?, an interesting move but without hope anyways. Indeed our Team knew since long about the inevitable draw. Greetings my great <AK>! |
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Mar-10-16
 | | AylerKupp: Hey guys, I suspect that <morfishine> was just pulling my leg, and I enjoy that. I have often said that the only thing that makes me tolerable is that I enjoy making fun of myself. So, as usual, don't take everything (anything?) that I say too seriously. But I think that the best jokes are those that have an uncertainly about them and are told with the appearance of full confidence. One time my wife and I passed a restaurant called Masada. My wife remarked that it was obvious what kind of food they served there, Masada being the fortress in southern Israel that was besieged by the Romans and resulted in the deaths of all of its defenders. But, without any hesitation, after my wife made that statement I confidently responded "Japanese". Now, if I had said anything else it would have been obvious that I was joking, but "Masada" does have a Japanese-like sound to it, although according to the on-line translators I tried (I don't speak Japanese), there is no such word in Japanese. So she paused in a moment of uncertainty. If the TV show "The Big Bang Theory" had been in existence at that time and if I were Sheldon, I would have added "Bazinga!" But back to the statistics. If there were 269 pages in this game with my posts and 247 pages without my posts, that means that means that my posts accounted for a 8.2% of all the posts. But that's taking into account posts for both Team White and Team Black. I don't know the number of pages for Team White and Team Black separately, and that's too many people to put on Ignore, although sometimes I've been tempted :-) For the sake of argument and to account for my verbosity let's say that 60% of the posts were made by Team White. That means that about 14% of all of Team White's post content was mine. As Charles Schultz might say, "Good grief Charlie Brown!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ-... |
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Mar-10-16
| | AylerKupp: <<Nickster> I cannot understand why anybody would put you on ignore. I enjoy your posts.>
Someday I will explain it to you in a long series of posts, there are so many valid reasons. But that would make the percentage of my dubious contributions to this game even higher, and I don't know if I can live with that. Oh, sure I can ... |
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Mar-10-16
| | AylerKupp: <<Tiggler> <AylerKupp> needs to work on his impact factor.> Agreed, I'll put that on my list of things to do. But there are already so many things on that list that I don't know when I will get around to it. |
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Mar-10-16
| | AylerKupp: <Pedro Fernandez> My friend, it is too bad that we were not on the same team this time but hopefully in the next game we will be. The move ...a5 is common in the Bayonet attack to try to break up White's advancing pawns and, in particular, eliminate the Pb4 to prevent it from supporting White's c4-c5 advance. And, for greatest effect, ...a5 should be played when White cannot respond with a2-a3, such as after 11.a4 as in this game or even immediately after 9...b4 (9...a5) when 10.a3 does not work since White's a-pawn is pinned after 10...axb4 and cannot recapture. The half-opening of the b-file after 12.bxa5 Rxa5 does not seem to be too dangerous for Black even though it looks to be since Black's pressure on White's Pa4 compensates for White's pressure on Black's Pb7. Team White members know how hard I tried to set up an Alekhine's gun formation on the b-file with White's rooks on b5 and b3 and the queen on b1. Even Komodo tried to do that in one of the lines it came up with. But it was just too slow to be effective. And, even if we were successful in winning your Pb7, you would have been able to win our Pa4 and our control of the b-file would have been matched by your control of the a-file. As <cro777> would have said, the position would have been in a state of dynamic balance. As far as 43.Qg2, we looked at 44.Qh3 to try to play 45.Qf5 and increase the strength of our attack since we knew that 44...Qxh3 would be bad for Black. But after 44...Qd8 you have everything protected and we have no way to defend our Pa5. Yes, precise calculation is still needed because of our advanced passed Pd6 but we were confident that you would be able to find the best moves. All in all, an interesting although very frustrating game for us since we just couldn't find a way to break through, even though it looked that we should be able to do so. |
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| Mar-10-16 | | kwid: What exactly is the idea for playing a4 in this position?
click for larger viewLet me start by saying that wing expansion are normally not considered without control of the center. Before playing a4 the main question is " what is black up to" any immediate and long range threats? My assessment: e4 center square is under attack including a looming K-side pawn storm. Required actions: if queen side expansion is the preferred action then Re1
does not fit into such plans. To maintain control over e4 the Nf3 should vacate f3 square to allow f2-f3 in support of e4. Or consider Ng5/Ne6 tactical ploy may be justified with whites slight space and development advantage. An obvious counter play against blacks k-side attack is to open the c-file with c5/cxd6 etc which requires preparations to assure that such a break is effective against an all out Kingside attack. In this position Nf6 is the obvious move to counter Whites Queenside expansions to remove center tension with full development and accept a draw. Or play f4/h6/g5/Ng6 where a long range plan is required to establish the potency against whites seeking dominance on the queenside
in disregard for their King safety.
After we played a5 creating an open rook file against an isolated backwards pawn forcing us into submission to just shuffle the Q-rook because having lost tempos taking the steam out of a k-attack it was my most humiliating game I ever took part in. I rather die with my booth on so to speak instead of setting my self up as a punching bag. |
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Mar-10-16
| | mistermac: "I would rather die with my boots on than set myself up as a punching bag." Quote from <kwid>.
Exactly!
Whether or not <kwid>'s assessment above is correct, and I suspect that from such a deep thinker it is, there is no doubt we became a punching bag. Does anyone from either side have a view how our "accidental" Black 20th h5 affected the game? |
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| Mar-10-16 | | kwid: The question before us is why a4 and a5 has been considered in this game. Let's look at the main idea of the KI defense where white kept their DCB at c1 instead of e3 where it could assist in the Q-side play trying to force a weakening move to prevent Nb5/Na7 etc. Without a5 which I consider to be anti positional in this position the game could have followed with logical moves from both sides leading into this position: 
click for larger viewwith the following move order:
9. b4 Nh5 10. Re1 f5 11. a4 Nf6 12. Nd2 f4 13. c5 g5 14. f3 h5 15. Nc4 Ng6
16. cxd6 cxd6 17. Nb5 Ne8 18. Bd2 Rf7 19. Kh1 Bf8 20. Rc1 Nf6 * |
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| Mar-10-16 | | kwid: If you wonder why Kh1?
It seems to be the only way to force black into a weakening move on the queenside via Rg1/Be1/Bf2 threatening Nxa7 to eliminate the LCB on c8 which is an important part of blacks attack on the K-side. 
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(with threat of Bf2/Nxa7)
Therefore f3/Be3/Bf2 in case of f4 seems more logical than a4. |
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| Mar-10-16 | | kwid: team black dream on and with DanL on our side we would have seen "0-1"
click for larger view11. a4 Nf6 12. Nd2 f4 13. c5 g5 14. f3 h5 15. Nc4 Ng6 16. cxd6 cxd6 17. Nb5 Ne8 18. Bd2 Rf7 19. Kh1 Bf8 20. Rc1 Nf6 21. Rg1 g4 22. Be1 g3 23. h3 Nh7 24. Bf1 Qh4 * Have fun! |
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| Mar-10-16 | | Pedro Fernandez: <kwid>, the problem resides in that 11.a4 is not the best move for White, and I did post this in its proper moment. Better was, e.g. 11.h3 or 11.Rb1, and I'm not alone in this appreciation, as you know very well. So, I think that one of our best moves was 11...a5, cutting the white queen expansion. Your words (SIC): "After we played a5 creating an open rook file against an isolated backwards pawn forcing us into submission to just shuffle the Q-rook because having lost tempos taking the steam out of a k-attack it was my most humiliating game I ever took part in.
I rather die with my booth on so to speak instead of setting my self up as a punching bag." are really hard and unfair <kwid>. Look at how, in certain moment, the number of white major pieces were greater than our ones taking care on the queenside. But apart of this, what was the result? Yes! you always wanted to plan a strong attack on the kingside, but at some moment that was possible? I don't think so. Just I want to clarify this. |
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Mar-10-16
| | mistermac: Wow, that 24 ....Qh4 certainly has my puny engine changing its evals like crazy as it tries to find the truth! Anyone with a half decent engine care to look at <kwid>'s White's line and find the error? |
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Mar-10-16
| | mistermac: <11. a4 Nf6 12. Bd3 h6 13. Ba3 f4 14. c5 g5 15. b5 Ng6 16. b6 cb6 17. cd6 a6 18. Rb1 g4 19. Nd2 Bd7 20. Nc4 Rc8 21. Qd2 b5 22. ab5 Nh5 23. ba6 b5 24. Nb5 Qh4 25. f3 gf3 26. gf3 Ng3 27. Nb6 Qg5 28. hg3 Nh4 29. Rf1 Qg3 30. Kh1 Nf3 31. Rf3 Qf3 32. Qg2 Qh5 33. Qh2 Qf3 34. Qg2 Qd3 35. Rg1 Rf7 36. Nc8 Bh3 37. Ne7 Re7 38. de7 Bg2 39. Rg2 Qd1> How about this line as played in a recent game? |
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| Mar-10-16 | | DanLanglois: <AylerKupp: <optimal play> I'll just say that <DanLanglois> has his own "style",..And, upon reflection, he acknowledged that :looking back over my remarks, I find them intemperate".> I really didn't want to accept the drawn outcome, here, but really why should I? I'd be more ashamed of having spent months posting nothing but 'it'll never work it's a draw', you know? |
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| Mar-10-16 | | DanLanglois: I want to commend our opponents, though, for not making mistakes!! Congrats to both sides on a well-played game. |
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| Mar-10-16 | | DanLanglois: I acknowledge the query about whether I am deluded -- I'm embarrassed and sorrowful and hoping that enthusiasm is a beautiful thing, as far as it goes.. |
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