Vasyl Ivanchuk vs Ding Liren (2016)

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Vasyl Ivanchuk vs Ding Liren
IMSA Elite Mind Games (Blitz) (2016) (blitz), Huai'an CHN, rd 29, Mar-01
King's Gambit: Accepted. Bishop's Gambit Bogoljubow Defense (C33) · 1-0

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Aug-02-16		Conrad93: John Shaw in his book The King's Gambit claims that 3...Nc6 refutes the Bishop's Gambit. The point being that 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nc3 (5. e5?! Ne4) Bb4! gives black enormous activity making castling and organizing pieces rather difficult. Ivanchuk has played this from the black side before.

Aug-03-16		iking: ivanchuk stings .. argh.

Aug-03-16		whiteshark: In the end Black suffered from tunnel vision

Jul-24-24		kingscrusher: <Conrad93> Checking with Stockfish 16, there is the move 6.Nge2 and black is only slightly better technically: Enter New Game Line 0.0 click for larger view Analysis by Stockfish 16 - one thread version: 1. ⩱ (-0.55): 6.Nge2 f3 7.gxf3 d5 8.exd5 Nxd5 9.0-0 Nxc3 10.bxc3 Bd6 11.Ng3 0-0 12.Ne4 Ne7 13.Bg5 Kh8 14.Re1 f6 15.Nxd6 cxd6 16.Bf4 Bf5 17.Bf1 d5 18.Rb1 Qd7 19.Bg3 Nc6 20.Qd2 Rae8 Black is slightly better (Gavriel, 24.07.2024)

Jul-24-24		Olavi: <kingscrusher> That, if it indeed is the last word, qualifies as a refutation, getting the worse position with White in five moves; unless one takes the view that all moves that do not lose are equivalent.

Jul-24-24		keypusher: <olavi> <kingscrusher> out of curiosity, I ran my SF 16.1 on my desktop for both 3.Bc4 and 3.Nf3 for 41 ply. It thinks the knight's gambit is better than the bishop's, but it isn't wild about either. 3.Nf3 was -0.45, with the main line being 3....d6 4.Bc4 h6 5.h4 Bg4 6.d4 Be7. At 40 ply it had preferred 3...g5 4.h4 d5 5.d4 dxe4 6.Nxg5 Nf6. At 42 ply it switches again, to 3....Nf6 4.Nc3 d5 5.exd5 Nxe5 6.Bb5+ c6 7.Qe2+ Be6 8.Nxd5 Qxd5 9.Ba4 to be followed by Bb3 and exchanges on e6. Not very exciting. 3.Bc4 was -0.65, with the main line being 3....Nc6 4.d4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Ne2 f3 7.gxf3 d5.

Jul-24-24		keypusher: At 43 ply it switches again, to the old 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 d6. And it's dropped to -0.43. Maybe at 80 ply it would think that 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Nf3 is equal.

Jul-25-24		kingscrusher: <keypusher> Yes, engines don't particularly like the King's Gambit. But I know of at least one online GM for faster time controls who has been dominating blitz tournaments for years - and he seems a fan of the Bishop's Gambit. Hence I am working on a course on it. There are no game examples with the Nge2, but there is one with Qd3 which is also what the online GM plays (for "Human reasons"!). I McNally vs E Arvan, 1988 In the sequence: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. d4 Bb4 6. Qd3 After 6.Qd3 Engines really like black it seems: 1735: Ian McNally - E Arvan 1-0 0.0, Labour Weekend Tt 1988 click for larger view Analysis by Stockfish 16 - one thread version: 1. ∓ (-0.82): 6...0-0 7.Nge2 Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 d5 9.exd5 Na5 10.Bb3 Nxb3 11.axb3 Re8 Black is better (Gavriel, 25.07.2024) Now I do think Engines are really providing a great way to check up on games and openings, but I think dodgy gambits are pretty effective at faster time controls. And most players are playing casually online at faster time controls, so if one has an informational advantage in say the Bishop's Gambit, then that can mean a great deal in terms of actual winning results. Also somehow I think the study of the King's Gambit classic games is a kind of tactical and positional training for exposure to more dynamic structures where the semi-open f-file often provides really interesting tactics and combinations.

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