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Sergey Karjakin vs Magnus Carlsen
Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship Match (2016), New York, NY USA, rd 7, Nov-20
Slav Defense: General (D10)  ·  1/2-1/2



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Nov-20-16  fred1257: if all the games are drawn ...they should have to pay everyone for wasting our thme
Nov-20-16  ajile: It's a good thing there are no smart-asses around here. Otherwise there would be some seriously scathing sarcasm. (SSS)
Nov-20-16  Eyal:

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<15... f5! [instead of 15...0-0] was a strong move. We often want to be the owners of two bishops when the board is wide open, but here the pawn on a2 is a weakness that requires attention. 16. Nd6+ (16. Ng5 Qxd1 17. Rxd1 Bxf3 18. Nxf3 Bf6 19. Nd4 Bxd4 20. exd4 Kd7 is strategically awful for White. Black will sit his knight on d5, trade at least one pair of rooks, and then try to nurse his advantage into a full point. The knight outmaneuvers the bishop, and the isolated pawn is a burden.) 16... Qxd6 17. Bxb7 Ra7 18. Qxd6 (18. Bf3 Qxd1 19. Rxd1 Bf6 is once again painful to see. The a2 pawn is lost. 20. Rb1 Nxa2 with a huge edge.) 18... Bxd6 19. a3 Be5 20. Rb1 Rxb7 21. axb4 Bc3 and White will grovel for a draw. Black is much better, thanks to the superior queenside pawn structure and more active bishop.> (From Robert Hess's analysis on

So Carlsen may have played 2 mediocre-to-bad moves in a row (0-0, Rc8).

Nov-20-16  cormier: post analysis g 7
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  maxi: During these games Carsen has missed a few chances of applying pressure. Not like him. Curious.
Nov-20-16  Sally Simpson: Hello,

Don't Blame The Messenger.

"We have to remember that Karjakin is not there in New York to entertain us by losing in the style of one of Morphy victims, he is there to take the Chess Crown away from a better chess player.

So far Karjakin all though this match has been waiting for Carlsen to do something so he can react. I do not know if this is because he in awe of Carlsen or feels this is his best chance. (a bit of both?)

We can moan and mump and scream ‘Foul Play’ but we cannot argue with his method. It is played 7 games and drawn 7 games.

Don’t bother playing through this. Skip it. I have included a much better game."

That is how I kick off my latest instant report.

The other game is a lovely piece of fun but they got here:

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On move 7 instead of move 8 from a QGA.

Nov-20-16  Eyal: <During these games Carsen has missed a few chances of applying pressure. Not like him. Curious.>

In this game it was pretty much the exact opposite of what one would expect according to the stereotypical perception of Carlsen's strengths and weaknesses - first, as in most of the match, showing the better preparation (apparently confusing Karjakin with the rare 10...Nc6), getting a better position out of the opening, and then misplaying it to get into an inferior position (though, luckily for him, only slightly and without a serious danger of losing).

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  maxi: Perhaps he respects Karjakin more than we realize. We take no chances hea! I don't know.
Nov-20-16  Jambow: <I had nobody in mind when saying 'tunes are changing' it's just an overall impression from this site (and others.)>

Are you suggesting I'm paranoid then? That I think people are talking about me when they are not? Gee that is just insulting I thought your other comments about me were bad enough but this this is over the top. I would elaborate but I already know the NSA has been tracking my comments here...

Is that you driving past my house again?

Maybe the mail man is watching me...

Not satisfied with stalking me here following me on other sites too?

I think my risperidone prescription has run out again...

Go Magnus!!!

I never play chess like Fischer did but sometimes I just can associate and empathize with his struggles. ;0]

Nov-20-16  Jambow: I will inventory poultry when the match is over, right now Karjakin has a basket of eggs. Like most others I expected him to be down a game or two at this point of the match. Remember though Carlsen usually finishes strong down the back stretch. If Karjakin wins 2016 will be the year of upsets and I will call him Colonel Sanders and study his games.

Go Sergey!!!

Nov-20-16  Jambow: <AylerKupp: <diceman> I'm glad that for a change I made a post that provided some useful information to someone. Just don't expect me to do it again any time soon! :-)>

In all seriousness I appreciated your comments on ratings and match odds. They were well represented by facts with logical conclusions.

Thanks for your contributions sir.

Nov-20-16  enochmeta: What are the chances that there are no decisive results before the rapids?

This is why 12 games is way too few...

If SK comes into each game looking to draw from the start it could be difficult for Magnus to push through a win here

Nov-20-16  Ron: 15 ... f5 is an interesting alternative, but it turns out that its not such an awesome move that some make it out to be. A line from Stockfish 7:

15. ... f5 16. Nd2 Bxf3 17. Nxf3 Qxd1 18. Rxd1 Bf6 19. Nd4 Nd5 20. Bd2 Kd7 21. Kf1 Rhc8 22. Rac1 Bxd4 23. exd4 a5

with only a 0.03 advantage for Black.

Carlsen's move 15. .. 0-0 is by no means bad. As I kibitzed in another game in this match, one will not do badly by playing "close to the vest moves".

Nov-20-16  The Kings Domain: This is the least interesting game of the match yet although it isn't bad by any means. Although the final position is clearly a draw I'm surprised Carlsen didn't go for the extra push in going for a win since he's known to be good in turning even situations into victories. It's halfway into the match already and the players really have to up their game if they want to be the one smiling while holding the crown at the end of the match.
Nov-20-16  cormier: game 7 ...
Nov-20-16  Papagambit: There WILL Be Blood !! Be patient all!
Nov-21-16  Petrosianic: Well, that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if they hang a queen in an even position on the final move, so long as it makes the game decisive.
Nov-21-16  Big Pawn: Another boring game. This match is not interesting yet. It seems as though neither player is willing to press. They choose drawing lines like Karpov and Kasparov did in the first match.
Nov-21-16  Open Defence: during the game I felt 22.b4 might have been a better practical try to make progress even though in that line there is a good chance of rooks being exchanged but the plus side being that the White King and try to make its way to the Q side though mostly if the Black DSB regroups to the c1 diagonal then it requires that the White King dont stray too far as otherwise the K side pawns fall and it should still be drawn but as it stood with the rooks on the middle of the board is clearly carved and the Kings cannot approach easily..
Nov-21-16  Sally Simpson: Hi Open Defence,

I gave a quick review of 22.b4. It can without too much difficulty reach a position that could be used as a banner for the score of match.after 7 games.

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22. b4 Rb8 23. Rc1 Bb2 24. Rc8+ Rxc8 25. Bxc8 Bc3

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26. a3 Bb2 27. Bxa6 Bxa3 28. Bxb5 Bxb4 *

Final position soon to be appearing on T-Shirts in New York.

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Nov-21-16  Open Defence: probably Bxa6 as a practical try instead of a3 but it should be easily drawn still
Nov-21-16  Sally Simpson: Hi Open Defence.

26.Bxa6 That was what I originally suggested.


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22. b4 Rb8 23. Rc1 Kf8 24. Rc8+ Rxc8 25. Bxc8 Bc3 26. Bxa6 Bxb4 27. Bxb5

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In 15 years time some 13 piece TableBase will proudly declare that a White win after 263 moves.

(I'm looking at it now, It may be won in 224 moves if Black plays 198....Kc6??)

Nov-21-16  Open Defence: should be easily drawn... but seemed a good practical try at the time.. but at this level of course easily drawn
Nov-22-16  mistreaver: During my analysis of the game I have noticed the following possibility: 11 Qxd8+ Rxd8 12 b4! Nxb4 13 a4!?
Although it should probably also lead to liquidation on the queenside and a draw. for more details please check the full post
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  diceman: <Interbond:

Has anyone ever lost a World Championship game on time?>

Bobby Fischer, in Game 2, of Fischer-Spassky 1972. :)

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