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Sergey Karjakin vs Magnus Carlsen
Carlsen - Karjakin World Championship Match (2016), New York, NY USA, rd 9, Nov-23
Spanish Game: Morphy Defense (C78)  ·  1/2-1/2



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  Richard Taylor: I thought Thanksgiving was something to do with the Declaration of Independence or Gettysburg but here is a synopsis for those who are not from the US:

O.k. its Wiki but sometimes a link helps. Karjakin and Carlsen are playing on that day. Clearly neither of them are American....

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  ajk68: Hopefully this championship is the kick in the pants Carlsen needs to do more opening prep. He must be doing prep, but it always seems like his opening aims for unfamiliar territory where he hopes to gain an advantage. He even said "In the openings, I just need to reach a position that gives me play." It would be nice to see him break some theoretical ground and have some difficult problems prepared.
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  Richard Taylor: <SimplicityRichard: <Richard Taylor: I have panic attacks - so lectures, plays, movies, meetings of various kinds, going on buses, concerts are things I almost never go to (or go on).> I have something for you to read in case you're interested. My email: #>

Thanks a lot. I might send an email. I mentioned it as I know other people have these problems. I used to not talk about it at all but now I am retired I am "coming out"!! Well, not in the usual sense...

Nov-24-16  lamsang: Karjakin missed a chance by a move 33Ba4 so to pin black R and Q.I think 33 Qc2 was not a good move.
Nov-24-16  Ulhumbrus: One justification for 13...Bxf3 instead of 13...exd4 is that in this way Black doubles White's f pawns without having to pay more for it in the way of conceding space by 13...exd4 not to mention bringing the N on b5 back into play by 14 Nxd4.

Imagine the game proceeding for a few moves as it did but with the moves ...exd4 and Nxd4 omitted.

That means that in the positions which arise we move the knight on d4 back to b5 and replace the pawns on d4 and e5.

Thus in the position after 16...Nh5 we move the N on d4 back to b5, replace Black's N on c6 and the pawns on d4 and e5, so that we arrive at the position reached after 13...Bxf3 14 gxf3 Nh5

In this position Black admittedly can't attack White's centre by ...c5 but on the other hand he can try the manoeuvre ...Nc6-e7-g6 supporting the thrust ...Nf4 and what is White's N on b5 doing?

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  Lech Kulejewski: Hello everybody,
I can't remember this quotation, but I believe the first author of it was Siegbert Tarrasch, and Robert Fischer repeated after Him: "It's not enough to be a good player, You have to play well" I consider MC a better chess player than SK ( say, slightly, and TILL NOW.) But out of discussion is that SK is perfectly "programmed" exactly for tis match, for this oponent. I'm sure he has solved thousands endgame studies and here his"miracle" draws in the first quarter of the match come from, as well as the won 8 ght game. Besides, am I the only one considering Bb4 instead of Bxf7? After Bb4 the menace of Bxf7 looks strong, and it's only my intuition, but position after 38....Ke7 doesn't seem "mellow" for forcing moves yet...
Nov-24-16  sp12: How about 32. Bc4, and then later Bf6?
Nov-24-16  talwnbe4: 33. Ba4 Qf5 34. Qf1 Rb1 35. Qxb1 Qxf3+ 36. Rg2 Nc3 37. Qf1 Nxa4 38. Bd2 Nb6 39. Rh3 Qd5 continues to pose problems to Karjakin

33. Qc2?! Reb8 gives Carlsen a fine game

39. Qb3 probably would have won although there are some drawish elements to this position

Nov-24-16  widjaja70: <2Towers: 41. Rxh7+ Kxh7 42.Qf7+ Kh8 43.Bg5 (43..Rg1+ 44.Kxg1 Bxh2+ 45. Kh1)> 43.... Ra6 !
Nov-24-16  Raul Montanari: <John Taylor> I'm touched by what you say about panick attacks. From 1991 to 1993 I was almost confined home by that problem. I think there is no effective therapy - but maybe we never really recover, from nothing. Later my Linus' cover was a simple pill I always have in my pocket when I leave home, but I admit that your potion sounds far more romantic, like something out of a novel! :-) Now I get an attack or two in a year, no more. I can face a public in occasions when I am to speak and I often appear in programs of the Italian TV too, in real time, always with my little aid. A good compromise, just like life is. Sorry for the OT, it was a great temptation for me (more or less like that terrible Bxf7+ for Karjakin!).
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  Lech Kulejewski: Dear Friends, please, answer me:
what about 39.Bb4 ( menacing Bxf7 and Rxh7+ )??? What I am missing?
Sure, there is Kd5 but I thing the pressure of white pieces increases.
Nov-24-16  Eyal: <Lech Kulejewski> Black should be ok after 39.Bb4 Nf5; White needs something more forcing against this knight maneuver by Black.
Nov-24-16  Eyal: Position after 33.Qc2:

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Karjakin pointed out in the press conference a nice trap which he prepared here: 33...Nb4? 34.Qxg6+!! hxg6 35.Bf6 with mate on h8 (got some applause from the sudience and a smile from Carlsen).

But Carlsen's 33...Ra8 wasn't precise and got him into trouble. Instead, 33...Rb4! improves the rook's position and seems to pretty much solve Black's problems. An important point is that 34.Bd2 doesn't work here because of 34...Re2. Another is that 34.Qa2 isn't effective because of 34...Rxd4! and White can't recapture due to mate - 35.Rxd4 Qh3 (attacking h2) 36.Rg2 Re1+ (this line nicely illustrates the important defensive role played by the white rook on h4).

Nov-24-16  talwnbe4: 33..Qd6 is another alternative
Nov-24-16  Rama: "...reading all the Great Books..."

Ah! Mortimer Adler's Great Books. Last year I read War and Peace, took me three weeks. My boardgaming experience with the Napoleonic Wars and my copy of Esposito's West Point Atlas helped a lot, along with Denis Davidov's "In The Service Of The Tsar..." which is also on my shelf. It was funny the way Tolstoy gave this cold-blooded blue-eyed killer a lisp and such a noble character.

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  Mateo: A good report : <>.
Nov-24-16  The Kings Domain: Karjakin certainly showed more confidence and initiative. It'll be interesting to see how the next game will turn out.
Nov-24-16  dTal: I'm sure there is an obvious reason because nobody mentions it as a candidate move, but what's wrong with 34. Ba4? I understand that 33. Ba4 runs into 33. ... Qf5, but on move 33, the W Q is on c2 covering f5?
Nov-24-16  The Kings Domain: Rama: Nice to see someone here read Esposito's great book. They just don't make 'em like that anymore.
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  keypusher: < dTal: I'm sure there is an obvious reason because nobody mentions it as a candidate move, but what's wrong with 34. Ba4? I understand that 33. Ba4 runs into 33. ... Qf5, but on move 33, the W Q is on c2 covering f5?>

Pretty sure this has been posted, but there is
34....Rxa4 35.Qxa4 Qf5 and then if 36.Rhg4 ...Qxf3+ 37.R4g2 Nc3 (protects the rook, attacks the queen, opens the rank, and covers a8 -- what a move!) with ...Rxg5 coming up.

Nov-24-16  dTal: Ah thanks keypusher! Man, I should have been able to figure that out for myself, but I at least know now, thanks to you...
Nov-24-16  dTal: What a tactical minefield this game was! Amazing play by both players. Try going through this without any engine or analysis, the mind boggles!
Nov-24-16  cormier:
Nov-24-16  mistreaver: To my mind, it was very hard to understand why Magnus played 35...Ra4, waiting for the queen to go to d3, and only then Ra1. I found it easier to understand when comparing the variation with which could arise if Black played 38 ... Bd8. 38... Be4 39 Re4 Nf6 40 Re5 Bc7 41 Bb5 Qd8

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Now 42 Rc5 is met by 42... Qd6
If White queen is on c2, then 42 Rc5 threatens the bishop on c7, and leaves Black better.

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Mar-29-20  joddon: Sergey looks like he could rock other player on the planet could....he just gets little over excited but has Magnus on his back a lot more than it can ever SEEM!!!!!!!!!!
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