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| Feb-02-17 | | 1971: I don't get why they would fix the pairings for her to play all women. I believe that they did, I just don't get the point of it. |
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Feb-02-17
 | | WannaBe: If the organizer wanted to, they could have paired Hou with Anna Zotonshik (IM). Anna had black vs D. Fridman and drew, or could have paired with Kateryna Lagno (GM), she had white vs S. Shankland and also drew. If the organizer really wanted to, I think 10 female opponents could be done. |
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| Feb-02-17 | | thegoodanarchist: <WannaBe: ...
If the organizer really wanted to, I think 10 female opponents could be done.> Yeah, I think I could do 10 in one weekend. |
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| Feb-02-17 | | thegoodanarchist: < joeyj: ... in parallel to check where the error emanates.> Please fly United Error Emanates. |
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| Feb-02-17 | | Chessinfinite: Too bad You Yifan felt cheated.. i don't think she showed sportsman (sportswoman? ) ship..
She should skip this if she took offence, maybe she should have just gobbled up all the points by playing women players..
One thing she deserves a bit of thanks for rescuing Anand from the shortest GM loss ever ! |
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| Feb-02-17 | | SimonWebbsTiger: I chatted with a FIDE IA. He mentioned a married couple here. No names but you can guess. |
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Feb-02-17
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If it was these two and this game.
D Fridman vs A Zatonskih, 2017 It was a draw. this was round 10. Usually husband and wife, brother and sister etc...pairings are forced within the first few rounds. Not because it may lead to an unhealthy result, but to avoid speculation that one has taken place. There is nothing here. Apparently the draw was made by Swiss Manager, someone else has run the tournament with swiss manager and came up with the same parings Yifan had. http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic... |
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| Feb-03-17 | | zanzibar: <<Chessinfinite> One thing she deserves a bit of thanks for rescuing Anand from the shortest GM loss ever !> Except Anand didn't intend to lose his game, whereas Hou did hers. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | zanzibar: It could have been worse...
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[Event "Apocalypse"]
[Site "Zombieland"]
[Date "2017.02.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "alpha"]
[Black "omega"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A00c"]
[EventDate "2017.02.03"]
1.h4 h5 2.a4 a5 3.g3 g6 4.b3 b6 5.f3 f6 6.c3 c6 7.e4 e5 8.d4 d5 9.Bd3
Bd6 10.Be3 Be6 11.Ne2 Ne7 12.Nd2 Nd7 13.Qc2 Qc7 14.Bf2 Bf7 15.O-O O-O
16.Rac1 Rac8 17.Kg2 Kg7 18.Rcd1 Rfe8 19.Rfe1 Rcd8 20.Qb2 Qb7 1/2-1/2 >
A fairly legit game, despite the absurdity. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | zanzibar: I like the symmetry:
click for larger view |
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| Feb-03-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: If you want symmetry, you don't need pieces. Oh wait.. didn't the Brits (+offspring) call them 'chessmen...' Now things are becoming clear; the Brits have only Adam, or was it... Eve? 😁😁😁 |
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| Feb-03-17 | | whiteshark: Gender-based discrimination within the <Swiss Manager algos>? I demand a temporary committee of inquiry... |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Tiggler: <joeyj> There are currently 6 different pairings programs that are endorsed by FIDE, and in addition there are pairing systems permitted by FIDE regulations that are not supported by any of these programs. One FIDE rule, of which the organizer of this tournament seems unaware is this one: "i
The pairing rules must be such transparent that the person who is in charge for the pairing can explain them"
FIDE Handbook section C.04.1 Basic rules for Swiss Systems. To say that the pairings came out of a computer is not a sufficient explanation. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Pantagruel: During the tournament somebody twittered a good name for this game:
The 5hit hits Yifan |
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| Feb-03-17 | | shortsight: We do not know what happened at the background. Yifan had mentioned she complained to no avail. Perhaps there have been FIDE harassment since her withdrawal from the women world championship cycle and she was feeling the heat, and thus leading her to suspect FIDE must be having a hand in fixing the pairing. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | WorstPlayerEver: "To say that the pairings came out of a computer is not a sufficient explanation." Ghe you don't say! 😉 |
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Feb-03-17
| | Sally Simpson: Karpov playing a 'protest game' because he was told to play in the morning! Karpov vs Leko, 1995 Final position.
click for larger view |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Shams: <Tiggler> Good point. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | luzhin: Why does it matter what the genders were of Yifan's opponents? As long as each pairing was legitimate--which they were-- gender is irrelevant. And in any case no-one has come up with any reason why the organisers should even have wanted Yifan to play a high proportion of female opponents. This is a conspiracy theory without a theory. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | Kaspablanca: <luzhin> How you are so sure the pairing was legitimate? |
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Feb-03-17
 | | tamar: The issue comes up briefly (1:17:00) in Hou Yifan's master class http://www.gibchess.com/videos_mast... She is asked if she wants to know her pairing for the next round, and Stuart Conquest asks jokingly "is it another woman?" The questioner says "No you are not playing another woman" and Hou turns toward Conquest and says seriously "No, I thought there was no...(inaudible)" It happens to be Mickey Adams, but her reaction makes me think the issue had already been raised, at least within her own camp. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | luzhin: Because each opponent had the appropriate score, according to Swiss system rules. The pairings were computer-generated, not decided by any human. There was nothing anomalous about any of them. If Hou wants to avoid playing females, then she should do what Judit Polgar did and enter all-play-all tournaments which otherwise have only male players. I'm sure she won't lack for invitations. |
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Feb-03-17
| | tamar: <luzhin> see Tiggler's post below. Even if all was done correctly, you have to know which model they were using. The relatively rare prize structure might have led some well meaning organizer to suggest the program include an instruction to pair women when possible who have the same points. |
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Feb-03-17
 | | alexmagnus: <The relatively rare prize structure might have led some well meaning organizer to suggest the program include an instruction to pair women when possible who have the same points.
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See my statistics above. No evidence for such a pairing system at all. Indeed, some women did not play women at all (most notably Javakhishvili). Also, some men played five women. |
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| Feb-03-17 | | luzhin: If the program had included an instruction for women to play women when they had the same number of points, as some are suggesting, then there would have been many more female vs female pairings than actually occurred. What happened to Yifan was statistically very unlikely within a random system, but in no way impossible. And anyone who knows about statistics knows that the extremely unlikely does occasionally happen, simply by chance. Finally, I repeat: why does it matter that 7 out of her 10 opponents were females? |
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