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Sep-26-17
 | | keypusher: <offramp: Centralised rooks need second looks.> A pawn is a pawn is a pawn. -- G. Steinitz |
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| Sep-26-17 | | afterCarlsin: much stress... |
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| Sep-26-17 | | vonKrolock: A drawing masterpiece with Nanking ink or khash with grechnaia kasha and chicken schmaltz ?! |
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| Sep-26-17 | | Toribio3: The outcome will be another draw? |
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| Sep-26-17 | | BOSTER: What is better to have much space or material( pawn)? |
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Sep-26-17
 | | Mateo: The Black King can come to e7 and then Black trades Rooks on the 'd' file. Black has good prospects for a win here. |
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| Sep-26-17 | | arieszodiac: Black is pawn even though the position is drwish black has the initiative. Take all the major pieces the blavk has always a move up |
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| Sep-26-17 | | optimal play: This is a win to black!
If Aronian lets Ding Dong escape with a draw he should be made to eat Chop Suey for a month! |
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| Sep-26-17 | | Toribio3: Draw! Bishop is stronger than knight in this kind of endgame situation. The long range power of bishop is enough compensation for one pawn down. |
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Sep-26-17
 | | moronovich: Since white lost his e-pawn he has defended excellently IMO and has realistic drawingchances. |
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| Sep-26-17 | | afterCarlsin: Black wins (astrologer here) |
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| Sep-26-17 | | JimNorCal: Objectively still a draw, I bet. But with Black a pawn up and lines opening probabilities begin to favor one of two outcomes:
1) black makes an error and slips to an even position
2) white makes an error and and slips to a losing position I think Aronian had the edge in 3 of the 4 games. Ding has defended excellently. |
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| Sep-26-17 | | BOSTER: Rook d4 is interesting. |
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| Sep-26-17 | | ughaibu: How can Aronian lose from here? |
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| Sep-26-17 | | JimNorCal: Stockfish likes NxB RxN Rxh5 with two pawn advantage but weak black pawns targeted by the white rooks. Aronian deep in calculation, burning time and coming closer to equal with Ding.
Ding had been down about 10 minutes. |
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| Sep-26-17 | | Absentee: Draw agreed. Quite a satisfying game, nonetheless. |
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| Sep-26-17 | | whiteshark: 2 L8 4 me |
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| Sep-26-17 | | JimNorCal: Never too late for you, WS!
And we saved all the moves and all our thoughts so you could go over them :) |
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| Sep-26-17 | | optimal play: Lev blew it!
Where did he go wrong?
Probably 44...Re5?
Better is 44...Rxb5 but he was presumably worried about 45.Rexe6+ which looked more ominous than it was. |
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| Sep-27-17 | | Ulhumbrus: <optimal play: Lev blew it! Where did he go wrong? > One answer is that whether Aronian blew it depends on whether Ding Liren had sufficient compensation for the pawn 7 Bxf6 concedes the bishop pair
One alternative to 28...Kf8 is 28...h5 preventing both h5 and Rg4 Instead of 30...Rg8, 30...Rd8 offers to return the pawn in return for a counter-attack eg 31 Rxd8 Rxd8 32 Rxg7 Rd1+ 33 Kh2 Ne4 34 f3 Nf6 depriving the white rook of mobility |
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| Sep-28-17 | | optimal play: <Ulhumbrus> Some interesting observations which indicate Aronian may have missed a couple of opportunities even before his 44th move, but 44...Rxb5 was his last chance to win. Consider 44...Rxb5 45.Rexe6+ Kf7 46.Rxb6 Rb8 and there is a R+P ending with black's two connected pawns to white's one. Okay, it still requires precise play, but there's a win there for black if he's good enough. In any event, I would suggest Ding Liren did not have sufficient compensation for the pawn. |
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| Sep-28-17 | | Arconax: <optimal play> It didn't seem like he had. |
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Nov-24-20
 | | sakredkow: Worth playing over again. Ding is down a pawn at various stages in the game, and SF10 never really likes his game. Still you just get the feeling that Ding is sure of himself here, he's comfortable with the game and sure of his draw. Maybe it's not true but that's how I'll remember it sometime when I'm a pawn down and my positional advantages (Ding starts with a huge lead in development) seem to progressively get more abstract. I really enjoyed following the comments made IRT. I never heard of the Steinitz knight, or his quote that a knight on d6 is like a rusty nail in the knee. Good stuff. And it was interesting to see that Ding never went in for the rusty nail but chose an exchange of queens instead, followed by some confusing exchanges in the central squares - that will be worth studying again. Maybe I can get clearer on what happened. |
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| Nov-24-20 | | SChesshevsky: <sakredkow: ...get the feeling that Ding is sure of himself here, he's comfortable with the game and sure of his draw...> In my experience, and in general, in Ragozins Bxf6 by white indicate limited ambition compared to a usually more sharp game after Bh4. Looks like here Ding always gets some compensation for the pawn. Able to keep control and with a nice binding pawn on h5. Guess he's also thinking possible case will be 4 versus 3 or 3 versus 2 king side with rooks on. Which I think theory indicates strong drawing chances. Might not be too much of an exaggeration to say Ding wasn't surprised with a draw after 7. Bxf6. |
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| Nov-25-20 | | SChesshevsky: Have to amend the earlier post. My general comment relates more to the 5.cxd5 exd5 6. Bg5 version of the Ragozin. This 5. Bg5 dxc4 6. e4 Ragozin line, which I have very little knowledge, looks like it's going to be sharper by nature. Even after a possibly forced, or at least more natural, Bxf6. Though the suspicious looking 7. Bh4 g5 8. Nxg5 hxg5 9. Bxg5 is probably more wild. |
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