chessgames.com
Members · Prefs · Laboratory · Collections · Openings · Endgames · Sacrifices · History · Search Kibitzing · Kibitzer's Café · Chessforums · Tournament Index · Players · Kibitzing
Rasmus Svane vs Anish Giri
World Rapid Championship (2021) (rapid), Warsaw POL, rd 4, Dec-26
Queen's Gambit Declined: Semi-Tarrasch Defense. Main Line (D42)  ·  0-1

ANALYSIS [x]

FEN COPIED

Get this game explained with Decode Chess
explore this opening
find similar games 2,252 more games of Giri
PGN: download | view | print Help: general | java-troubleshooting

TIP: You can get computer analysis by clicking the "ENGINE" button below the game.

PGN Viewer:  What is this?
For help with this chess viewer, please see the Olga Chess Viewer Quickstart Guide.
PREMIUM MEMBERS CAN REQUEST COMPUTER ANALYSIS [more info]

A COMPUTER ANNOTATED SCORE OF THIS GAME IS AVAILABLE.  [CLICK HERE]

Kibitzer's Corner
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 4 OF 4 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Jan-10-22  TheBirdman33: *** filler up with ten gallons of petrol ***
Jan-10-22  TheBirdman33: Kasparov vs Van der Wiel, 1988

I remember watching this game in person, in the playing room, van der Wiel was really being put in the torture chamber, and this must be as bad as it gets.

Jan-10-22  TheBirdman33:


click for larger view

Black pretty much un Zugzwang with 30 pieces still on the board!

few moves on...


click for larger view

And Bang!! - time to go in for the <final thrust>

Kasparov was at his unmerciful worst, unstoppable, extending the strangle phase to finally, well

It really was hell for John sitting in that chair. Imaginig myself in there I would have trouble getting up, I mean all muscles aching, mind broken, self image and confidence to pieces, and then go back to the lovely family for dinner, daddy be the main dish.

Jan-10-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: <A young kid has the most patience of all, a toddler, and indeed you lose patience during puberty, and that increases through adulthood, and from about 50 it starts decreasing, and the patience will increase again.

But there are variations of course, per individual, and dependent on your upbringing and potential trauma that is experienced.>

I thought patience came with experience, wisdom, understanding. Youth wants action. A farmer must have great patience, because he has understanding of how the process works by nature, or because he has no other choice?

Does the youngest child have less patience than the eldest child of a family? I certainly think so. The youngest gets what they want by being sneaky or demanding - "the squeaky wheel", not by waiting their turn. Of course, in many families, the youngest will get to go first, the most attention, depending upon the activity.

Desired outcomes have much to do with patience. If an eventual reward is anticipated, there can be a great deal of patience. If the process/event is of less interest, there is less patience. Who doesn't want to get out of a drowsy business meeting?

Because of television commercials and technology, it's thought that society has much less patience than people of last century. We're more programmed for service, convenience.

I chuckled today while watching NFL games on television. The middle-aged announcer said "Don't touch that dial" before going to commercial break. Of course, our televisions today no longer have a channel-changing "dial." Everybody uses remote control to change the channel.

Jan-10-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: Speaking of phrases from the past:

<TheBirdman33: *** filler up with ten gallons of petrol ***>

Is this self-talk, or did a service attendant pump your gasoline for you? A few places still offered "full-service" in the 1990s in the USA, but not many. Cannot recall any such assistance this century. Is there "full-service" at the pump in Europe?

BTW, your English is excellent <TB33>. I was wondering if English was your first or second language? Are your parents bi-lingual?

Jan-11-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  Troller: < Is there "full-service" at the pump in Europe?>

Nah. I live in Scandinavia and here most stations are completely unmanned, meaning you pay at the pump. During summertime there might be a market for full service with young girls serving ice cream and coffee through the window...business opportunity, here I come!

Jan-11-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: Do you have "minimum wage" over there? The U.S. Federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour, but most states have raised their own. The state of Massachusetts and Washington are over $14.00 per hour, I believe.
Jan-12-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  Troller: I live in Denmark where there is no minimal wage defined by law. But unions have organized what is in effect minimum wages which correspond probably to 14$ or so.

<Everybody uses remote control to change the channel.>

In my home we are now at the point where we use the cell phone to change channels, as we stream everything these days, even "live" television. Problem with this is, as we witnessed on New Year's Eve, that streaming live can be some 10-20 seconds delayed. I have heard people in the cities watching football hear the neigbour's roars resulting from a goal before they see the goal on the screen themselves...

Jan-12-22  utssb: <America is fortunate that other minority groups don't act like BLM, even though they face many of the same issues>

First time I've seen racism on this site. Feels a little surreal.

Jan-12-22  TheBirdman33: <fredthebear: Speaking of phrases from the past: <TheBirdman33: *** filler up with ten gallons of petrol ***>

Is this self-talk, or did a service attendant pump your gasoline for you?>

Tough question, most likely not in my area ;)

The phrase I used actually comes from a user by the name <Open Defence>, she was very quick-witted, and she used this line and dozens of variations on it to hide moves from a CG forum game/match from showing up on recent kibitzing/<chessforums recent activity> page.

Quite sure that she is no longer active here, but a strong player, very strong, great person to talk to.

What I meant is that a young toddler, say between 12 and 36 months old, has all the time in the world, playing with simple stuff, for hours, not a care in the world except food and eyecontact with mom and/or dad. No fancy games 5yr-olds need to get their excitement... You know, playing in the sandbox, baking cookies, alone, mom reading a book, but until a few years ago there was a group of kids here, playing outside everyday, between 6 and 13, and they went on marvelously, not in a hurry to go anywhere, just playing, just as long as possible until mom called to get in for dinner.

Now, as they got a few years older, towards and into puberty, they all have left the playground and have been sucked up by the virtual world that dominates every single home by now.

From then onwards life only speeds up, more and more duties, demands from every conceivable direction, and that doesn't slow down for a long time to come after that. I was looking at it from a different angle I suppose.

How about that Kasparov-vd Wiel position? No reaction at all? I'm here mainly for chess.

Jan-13-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: <How about that Kasparov-vd Wiel position?>

I looked the game over parts of two days, searching for alternative moves. Needed some time to think about it while multi-tasking (because I was stumped on finding an improvement). Kept trying to get the Black knights to work, but no. Thought about a different arrangement of the Black rooks, but no. Van der Weil made reasonable moves, but he's just worse, and Kasparov kept the choke hold on. It shows the power of the cross pin, and the power of a battery on a half-open file. There was no good way to break the pin or counterattack.

- - - -

The dadgum sensors went wonky in my Jeep as of the New Year, 2022. Apparently, this was by company design for upgrades but we didn't know of it beforehand. The surprise hit us while attempting to drive in urban traffic, thinking something was terribly wrong. So, we wanted our vehicle sensors updated by the dealer, as does everybody else -- all at the new year, apparently. The vehicle does operate, but chugs and jerks w/each shift of the gear, so it's not a comfortable feeling trying to putz 10-15 mph to avoid shifts -- this includes pulling out from a stop. The dealer does not provide a loaner until the vehicle is actually in the shop for the repair. (So we have a vehicle that is not trustworthy to drive across town in the cold of winter.) It's not been fun this year trying to juggle rides while we wait for our turn in the shop. We won't buy a Jeep ever again because of the recalls and poor dealer service (prior to this event). Jeep was a company that used to have a fine reputation in the previous century.

Due to COVID-19, new cars are not being mass built (getting parts world-wide is a problem) or not being bought. Thus, used vehicle prices have skyrocketed.

Mrs. FTB does wear an expensive smart watch, but we don't stream to any degree. Still, I enjoy hearing from folks in other countries and how they live, what it's like. We don't get much foreign programming in the USA unless it's BBC news or some sort of vacation resort show.

Y'all must be gearing up for the Tata Steel tournament. It starts tomorrow! Will you go? Will visitors be allowed this year? (COVID-19 is peaking again in the USA.) Can you stay home and watch on television? Streaming... I'll bet it's available streamed. I'll probably just wait for it to come out on youtube.

Jan-13-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: <Troller> I am dumbfounded by this - <In my home we are now at the point where we use the cell phone to change channels,> Clearly, I am behind the times. I'm going to see if my wife's smart watch can pull this off if she's of a mind to.

We tried watching ballgames on television and turning down the volume to listen to our preferred radio announcer (Americans are so tired of Joe Buck's man crushes), but there's a 5-7 second delay between the two. It's like wearing my left shoe on my right foot.

Jan-13-22  TheBirdman33: <FTB>:<There was no good way to break the pin or counterattack.>

That is what I thought also, but there is an ...e5 break that Wieler may have missed, let me see where...

Jan-13-22  TheBirdman33: Right after Nb5 ...axb cxb there is indeed 27...e5


click for larger view

- allowing the c6-knight to be captured, yet a beautiful B-pair match that of White, but a Piece Down versus Kasparov, with less space, and the struggle continues,-- but the strangulation is over for the time being. There is no forcing win here, just a very tough defense.

My engine gives a 0.6 advantage for white there. which surprises me a little.

Yeah, I'll follow some of the games online, probably including youtube live---going to Wijk aan Zee is not really an option, regardless of the restrictions.

Jan-13-22  TheBirdman33: Actually my favorite post round analyst on Youtube is <Daniel King>, uploading very fine analysis and insights through his PowerPlayChess channel, highly recommended.
Jan-13-22  TheBirdman33: Rectification: Black is of course <not> a piece down in the above diagram.
Jan-13-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: I definitely looked at Nc6, but don't recall trying to sacrifice it. Recapturing Bxc6 defends the Rd7 a second time w/a less valuable piece, which then unpins the d-pawn, threatening a discovered attack on the White queen if the d-pawn comes off the file by exchange. Can't forget about the Bh4 hitting the Ne7 and d8 square.

Daniel King does an outstanding job with his chess videos, as does our own <kingscrusher> and <Penguincw> and I'm forgetting someone - sorry.

Jan-14-22  TheBirdman33: <Black> is to play in the diagram, forgot to repeat that

vd Wiel played 27...Na5, which led to immediate destruction,he did not spot the very strong 27...e5, which would have kept him in the game, as it turns out after some engine help.

That was the point in the game, move #27, where there was more than a lifeline in a seamingly completely dominating position for White. 27...e5 was not really <that> hard to find, but given the pressure very understandible for a good GM to miss that central pawn break.

Jan-14-22  TheBirdman33: Is kingscrusher still active? Of course he is! ;) He does a good job, but Daniel is one of the best, and I like his style a lot, knowing what not to say, what to leave out, not bothered by the need for completeness that so many have, and talking fast all the time. His easy flowing rhythm is far superior imo to the others out there.
Jan-14-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: Looky what I found... links to multiple leading chess annotators from around the world, including the aforementioned online instructors: https://blog.feedspot.com/chess_you... MatoJelic and agadmator are in there too! Levy missed the cut.
Jan-14-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: "Queen down" has multiple meanings!?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9X...
Jan-19-22  TheBirdman33: <fredthebear: Looky what I found> Aaaaagadmotor is no longer on my list, and I noticed <Epic Chess> from the link, a guy who highlight many Firouzje games, although not that engaging a voice.
Jan-19-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: Just below Chess24 is: agadmator's Chess Channel

It's a red youtube box. Says it's from Croatia. I can't spell his name either. I've never actually clicked on it to see if it works. I usually watch him on my big screen television set through youtube.com.

Jan-19-22
Premium Chessgames Member
  fredthebear: O.K., the FeedSpot page that I used worked for agadmator. I couldn't click on the red box, but the blue links worked -- directly to his youtube page with several game choices.

It says this game was played 1 hour ago and has 19K viewers -- Duda is a hot commodity in the chess world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRd...

Jan-21-22  TheBirdman33: <agadmator> He was very good and less monotonous some 2-3 years ago, but these days he's become unwatchable, to me that is.

His historic video's and playlists are very good quality, but he made those at an earlier time when he took simply more time for his video's; he/his channel has become more of a MacDonalds to draw an analogy.

Quantity over quality.

Chess Network deserves a mention, the guy is studious and simply does excellent work.

Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 4)
search thread:   
< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 4 OF 4 ·  Later Kibitzing>

NOTE: Create an account today to post replies and access other powerful features which are available only to registered users. Becoming a member is free, anonymous, and takes less than 1 minute! If you already have a username, then simply login login under your username now to join the discussion.

Please observe our posting guidelines:

  1. No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
  2. No spamming, advertising, duplicate, or gibberish posts.
  3. No vitriolic or systematic personal attacks against other members.
  4. Nothing in violation of United States law.
  5. No cyberstalking or malicious posting of negative or private information (doxing/doxxing) of members.
  6. No trolling.
  7. The use of "sock puppet" accounts to circumvent disciplinary action taken by moderators, create a false impression of consensus or support, or stage conversations, is prohibited.

Please try to maintain a semblance of civility at all times.

Blow the Whistle

See something that violates our rules? Blow the whistle and inform a moderator.


NOTE: Please keep all discussion on-topic. This forum is for this specific game only. To discuss chess or this site in general, visit the Kibitzer's Café.

Messages posted by Chessgames members do not necessarily represent the views of Chessgames.com, its employees, or sponsors.
All moderator actions taken are ultimately at the sole discretion of the administration.

This game is type: RAPID. Please report incorrect or missing information by submitting a correction slip to help us improve the quality of our content.

Featured in the Following Game Collections[what is this?]
QGD. Semi-Tarrasch Def. Main Line (D42) 0-1 video of blunder
from EG Pawns EG; the Q might attend FTB's party by fredthebear
QGD. Semi-Tarrasch Def. Main Line (D42) 0-1 video of blunder
from Copycatz & Agreed/Book Drawz Fredthebear's pic by fredthebear

Home | About | Login | Logout | F.A.Q. | Profile | Preferences | Premium Membership | Kibitzer's Café | Biographer's Bistro | New Kibitzing | Chessforums | Tournament Index | Player Directory | Notable Games | World Chess Championships | Opening Explorer | Guess the Move | Game Collections | ChessBookie Game | Chessgames Challenge | Store | Privacy Notice | Contact Us

Copyright 2001-2021, Chessgames Services LLC