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| Apr-05-04 | | acirce: <BiLL RobeRTiE> Well, "boring" is a subjective judgement that really has not much to do with whether it is GOOD or not. Aesthetics is not unimportant, but it is chessly irrelevant. It would be much like a high jumper deciding to skip the Fosbury Flop because he thinks it looks ugly. Boring moves may well be the best ones. It is two different questions. |
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| Apr-05-04 | | BiLL RobeRTiE: True, true, but 3. Bb5+ is certainly not a "good" move either if you're looking to give Black any trouble. |
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| Apr-05-04 | | shr0pshire: <BiLL RobeRTiE> Yes, it is a good mvoe if you are looking to give black trouble. Refrence the world champions that play it as white. They all gave black trouble and ended up winning.
Tal and Kasparov wouldn't play it if it didn't give black any trouble. Sounds like to me that you are stuck in monotonous opening mind frame. And if you are one to question Tal and Kasparov or Morozevich about attacking openings then go for it, but i would like to see your qualifications compared to theirs. |
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| Apr-05-04 | | shr0pshire: <BiLL RobeRTiE> Yes, it is a good move if you are looking to give black trouble. Refrence the world champions that play it as white. They all gave black trouble and ended up winning. Tal and Kasparov wouldn't play it if it didn't give black any trouble. Sounds like to me that you are stuck in monotonous opening mind frame. And if you are one to question Tal and Kasparov or Morozevich about attacking openings then go for it, but i would like to see your qualifications compared to theirs. |
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| Apr-05-04 | | BiLL RobeRTiE: hahahah "ok" |
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| Apr-06-04 | | acirce: I agree with that, Bill. |
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| May-09-04 | | OneBadDog: Tal and Kasparov have at times played less theoretical lines in order to catch their opponents off guard. 3. Bb5 isn't a bad move, it just takes the fun out of playing the Sicilian. This may be a subjective statement, but this line is just plain boring. I guess there is some practical use to boring one's opponents to death. |
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| Jul-13-04 | | Geronimo: Well I for one would be happy to bore a few of you to death! Seriously, critics and supporters alike, 3...Bd7 seems like the most drawish of the lot. I've played 3...Nd7 (which I prefer to 3...Nc6, although I can't explain why) and had active fun games - as a result. Then again I don't tend to play against that many masters.... But I don't see the "boring" aspect at all. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Thanks <Shr0pshire> for the research. |
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| Dec-22-04 | | aw1988: I HATE this opening. Play any line of the Sicilian you want but for pete's sake don't play this. |
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| Dec-22-04 | | refutor: what's wrong with this line aw1988? |
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| Dec-22-04 | | aw1988: There is nothing wrong with it, except I would rather see a regular Sicilian (or odd distortions thereof) than a 3. Bb5+, mainly because it avoids the whole system(s!!!). |
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| Dec-22-04 | | Granite: This is obviously the best way to meet the sicilian - you get to check the king! That's pretty much a sure win since black will obviously be intimidated into losing quickly. I still lose on Yahoo sometimes with it but I'm pretty sure those folks are cheating by using a computer. How else would they get ratings above 1400?? |
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| Dec-22-04 | | aw1988: By being good players, perhaps? |
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| Jan-23-05 | | akashic: This opening is my only response to 2. d6 sicilian. It allows a d4 break using the c3 pawn because of the early castling. Now Nf6 can be met with Re1. If the player voluntarily pins his knight with Nd7 then the c5 isn't as effective as , d4, cxd4, Qxd4 is now an option. |
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| Apr-01-05 | | aw1988: Sorry for my earlier comments; I am merely a very enthusiastic main line Sicilian player as black and hate when white deviates. |
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| Apr-01-05 | | Backward Development: Indeed, I loathe playing against this line. after 3...Bd7 4.Bxd7+ Nxd7<The only move I prefer.>5.0-0 Ngf6 6.Re1 It's very hard for either side to upset the equilibrium without considerable risk. Naturally, white can play with 'the draw in hand' as they say, while black has to play very precisely to hope for chances later. This is the equivalent of the Exchange variation against the Slav defense for Najdorf/Dragon/Scheveningen players. I HATE THIS LINE! |
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| Apr-01-05 | | Backward Development: As Tal said, "To play for a draw with the white pieces is to some degree a crime against chess." |
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| Apr-01-05 | | jmcd2002: <Backward Development> There is, you must admit, a difference between "playing for the draw" and playing "with the draw in hand." I think B51 is a perfectly legitimate choice in situations where not losing is more important than netting a whole point. I don't play much Sicilian as black (and when I do it's a Kan); nor do I often play 1. e4 (unless I really want a Ruy). Therefore, I have some empathy for the anti-Sicilians (although my preferred line is 2. Nc3). |
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| Jun-06-05 | | refutor: can anyone recommend a book on the rossolimo attack or B30/B31 (1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5). i'm also looking for a book on the advanced french. thanks in advance |
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| Jun-09-05 | | bomb the bishop: the thing is that for one it generally respresents a psychological advantage for white as it does not get into the sicilian main variations and this is seen with impotence for black, on the other hand positionally it gives advantage to black, comparing it to other variations |
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| Jun-09-05 | | hintza: <bomb the bishop> Of course, if you decide on the Bb5 lines then you would still need something against 2...e6. I don't know what you would do really. |
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| Jun-09-05 | | bomb the bishop: <hintza> that is my second question at the moment actually, haha good thing that we are coordinating at the same time, how can one avoid the sicilian when 2..e6 is played? well, I'm trying to figure it out, if anyone does already know, then please post it, thankyou |
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| Jun-09-05 | | Everett: <btb> I'm guessing white can play 3.Nc3 and see what black does. Of course black can play 3...a6. What should white do then... Probably a closed Sicilian then, as a6 for black is a wasted move. Perhaps a whole system for white can be developed without having to go into the open Sicilian. To 3.Nc3, black could also play 3...Nc6.. After 4.Bb5 Nfe7 I don't see much advantage coming for white. however. |
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| Jun-09-05 | | e4Newman: This is why i've switched to 2...e6 lines. To avoid mainline theory, white needs to adopt a closed system via 3.Nc3 or 3.c4, although there's still a lot of flexibility for transpositions but it's up to white. |
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