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Jun-26-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: <hemy> That additional information and game is really great. I found the initial "P." for Bernotas on the website 'Chess Composition in Lithuania (1921-1942)' [on WebCite] here: https://sachmatija.puslapiai.lt/sit... (last page; Bernotas is Number 20)
and here:
https://sachmatija.puslapiai.lt/sit... (page 232)
Perhaps it is a slight assumption that it is the same person, though the year of his problem is 1932, so probably safe. Your "Lithuanian chess history up to XX century" sounds as though it is going to be really, really great, and no doubt is requiring an enormous amount of work. |
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Jun-26-21 | | hemy: Record of Mečislovas Birmanas, include Photo, in geni.com
Birthdate: 1900
Birthplace: Birthplace: Kaunas, Kaunas City Municipality, Lithuania
Death: 1950 (49-50)
Son of Adomas Birmanas and Aleksandra Birmanienė
Husband of Birmanienė (Deltuvaitė)
Father of Eugenijus Birmanas
Brother of Irene Brenner; Helen Gerbic and Eugenijus Birmantas https://www.geni.com/people/Me%C4%8... Mechislovas Birmanas was <in poorly health> in tournament 1944. He died in 1950. |
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Jun-26-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: <hemy> I noticed this, too, but felt it couldn't be used without further research.
This is because in "Lietuvos Sporto Zinynas", Volume 2 (1941-1952), page 152, there is an M. Birmanas playing on Board 4 for the Kaunas team, 14-20 September 1952. This is mentioned further up this page in my second posting of 29 January 2020 when I was transferring the material from the Biographer Bistro. Originally found by Tabanus; and also commented on by me in my post of 30 January 2020. If our Mecislovas Birmanas did die in 1950, who would this M. Birmanas be? - he would need to be accounted for. |
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Jun-26-21 | | hemy: <chesshistoryinterest> You right. It should be investigating. It is also possible that the death date in geni.ca is wrong. Otherwise everything else is matching. |
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Jun-26-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: <hemy> A lot does seem to match. Perhaps the death date could indeed be wrong.
I wonder if these geni people can be contacted to see if they knew their ancestor was a significant chess player. |
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Jun-26-21 | | hemy: An article "Kaunas school students chess championship" in "Tarybų Lietuva", September 25, 1946, p.3:
"... On September 22nd started semifinal tournaments.
... In the 1st round good player skills displayed Vl. Kriukelis, V. Jankus and J. Birmanas."An article "Kaunas city chess championship finished" in "Tarybų Lietuva", January 1st, 1949, p.4:
"... Tournament results are:
1-2 Stankunas and Semoshka 10.5/13
3-4 Padolskis and Birmanas 9.5/13
5. Kontrimavicius 8/13
6. Vyt. Abramavicius 7.5/13
... In this tournament excelled young chess players - Semoshka, Birmanas and Kontrimavicius." Son of Mechislovas, Eugenijus Birmanas, was born in 1930.
In 1946 hi was 16 years old, in 1949 - 19 years old.
J. Birmanas = Jeugenijus (Eugenijus) Birmanas.
Apparently "Lietuvos sporto žinynas 1941-1952" have a mistake. In 1952 in Kaunas team played son of Mechislovas, Eugenijus Birmanas. This conclusion is supported by Eugenijus Paleckis. |
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Jun-26-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<chesshistoryinterest> Thanks so much for finding new Petrov photographs! I will be harvesting those to be sure. I tried to change the pgn source tag for Stoltz vs Petrov, 1936 , but failed. Either we are not able to do it, or I have not learned the correct procedure to do so. In the meantime I added your source information in the kibbutz box. |
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Jun-26-21
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<hemy, chesshistoryinterest> I have started to add your research to the Mechislovas Birmanas profile now. Be sure to let me know if you see any errors. |
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Jun-26-21 | | hemy: <"Tarybų Lietuva", January 1st, 1949, p.4>
I just discovered mistake in the date translation. It should be "Tarybų Lietuva", February 1st, 1949, p.4
The championship was for 1948-1949. |
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Jun-26-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<hemy> here is the Bernotas-Disleris game- please let me know if you see any mistakes: P Bernotas vs S Disleris, 1932 |
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Jun-26-21 | | hemy: <JFQ> <Bernotas-Disleris game> no mistakes by you. |
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Jun-27-21 | | hemy: <chesshistoryinterest> 'Rytas', 19 March 1934, page 7 and 'Lietuvos Aidas', 20 March 1934, page 5 having the same information - round 1 results:
Spielmann - Disleris 1-0
Vistaneckis - Luckis 1-0 |
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Jun-27-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: <hemy> Great finds, very convincing. I agree that "Lietuvos sporto žinynas 1941-1952" must have a mistake and that in 1952 in Kaunas team played son of Mechislovas, Eugenijus Birmanas. Therefore Mechislovas dies in 1950. |
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Jun-27-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: <jessicafischerqueen> Petrov photos - that's great. Always pleased to help in a worthy cause if I have the time. Stoltz vs Petrov 1936: You did give two other sources for this game here: Vladimir Petrov (kibitz #596) but they don't seem to have made it into the PGN. Very minor issue, but just so I know for the future: in the PlyCount for games, you seem to be including the result (eg 1-0) as a ply (ie games where White makes one more move than Black, you give an even number for the PlyCount). I would have thought that only moves made on the board would count for the PlyCount? |
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Jun-27-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: <jessicafischerqueen> (and <hemy>) Thanks for starting to put info into the Mechislovas Birmanas profile. I have added more info and made some adjustments as per below: ****
Mechislovas Birmanas was born in 1900 in Kaunas, Lithuania (part of the Russian Empire at the time). He died in 1950. He was the son of Adomas Birmanas and Aleksandra Birmanienė, and the brother of Irene Brenner, Helen Gerbic and Eugenijus Birmantas. He had a son, Eugenijus Birmanas, born in 1930 [footnote 1].
He lived in Kaunas, probably for the whole of his life. Birmanas became the chess champion of Lithuania in 1943 by tying for first place with Arlauskas and Abramavicius with 8.5 out of 11 at the Championship tournament at Vilnius in July 1943 and winning the subsequent 3-way playoff a month later with 2.5 out of 4.
He was 4-6= in the 1945 Lithuanian Championship with 6 out of 10. His son, Eugenijus, played 4th board for Kaunas in the 1952 cities championship of Lithuania. ****
I have removed the reference to his poor health [at the time of the Christmas 1943 Vilnius tournament] as this may only have been temporary at the time (eg he did reasonably well in the 1945 Lithuanian Championship). Let me know if you (and <hemy> also) agree with this version. I would have entered this directly into the Birmanas profile, but am not sure how to do footnotes. If you and <hemy> agree with what I have here, you could put it in, or I could if you show me how to do footnotes. I have also entered a brief amount of information directly into the P Bernotas profile. |
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Jun-27-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<chesshistoryinterest> On ply count, I had not heard of that issue before! I believe you should post that in the <chessgames forum>. It doesn't matter what any uploader puts into the ply tag. Chessgames.com uses a code to automatically calculate that- and the code will override whatever number you might put in the ply tag.
The same system is used to determine the opening classification. No matter which opening classification you put in the tag, it makes no difference- because the chessgames.com code will automatically change the tag to what it has been set to do. This is why <Daniel Freeman> told me there is no point filling in the ply and opening classification tags when preparing a pgn for upload. This is not widely known knowledge- it might be something for a more general discussion, if you would care to start one on the topic. |
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Jun-27-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<chesshistoryinterest> Excellent write up on Birmanas! It would be fine with me if you entered it yourself in the editing box. To make a footnote, simply use square parentheses. ==============
Example:
Footnoting was invented in 9 BCE by Eddy Footnote.[1] <Below the bottom of this text, you list the footnote key like this>: [1]['Life and Times of Eddy Footnote' (MacFarland 1999), p. 3] |
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Jun-27-21
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Most cg.com editors who write bios use the Wikipedia style- meaning that every time you use information from page 3 of "Life and Times of Eddy Footnote" you would repeat the [1] footnote number in the body of your text. That said, editors may choose to use any footnoting system they want. There are many bios at cg.com that don't feature any footnotes. I think an effort should be made to use them in order to leave a map for others to investigate. |
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Jun-27-21
 | | Tabanus: For this remote corner of CG database :) Esperanto (Prague) no. 5/1925, p. 93, says M. Birmanas, Sakiai-Luksiai (Litov.) has solved problems no. 130-133: https://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/... |
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Jun-27-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: <hemy> Thanks very much for the round 1 result of Kaunas 1934. The word "pries" in the newspaper articles translated variously as "beat", "with", "against", "played" in the translation programs, so I wasn't sure. With this information, plus other newspaper items I have, plus deducing from progress scores, I arrive at: Round 1
Spielmann - Disleris 1-0
Vistaneckis - Luckis 1-0
Round 2
Vistaneckis - Spielmann 0.5-0.5
Luckis - Disleris 1-0
Round 3
Spielmann - Luckis 0.5-0.5
Disleris - Vistaneckis 0-1
Round 4
Disleris - Spielmann 0.5-0.5
Luckis - Vistaneckis 1-0
Round 5
Luckis - Spielmann 0-1
Vistaneckis - Disleris 1-0
Round 6
Spielmann - Vistaneckis 0.5-0.5
Disleris - Luckis ??
[Rounds 5 and 6 seem to be reversed from Rounds 2 and 3; don't know colours apart from Spielmann being White in Round 6] Luckis goes into the last round with 2.5 out of 5; Disleris with 0.5 out of 5. If I had their final scores I could deduce the result of their last-round game. I cannot find these final scores in "Rytas" or "Lietuvos aidas" newspapers. Also not on periodika.lv, or in Estonian or Finnish newspapers, nor in Mikenas' book; nor in Spielmann's article on his 1934 Baltic tour in the May/June issue (page 163) of "Weiner Schach-Zeitung".
It seems odd that this final result in not better covered in Lithuanian sources given that one of their own (Vistaneckis) tied for first place with one of the top players in the world at the time. The items I have from the "Rytas" or "Lietuvos aidas" newspapers are: "Rytas": 17 March 1934, page 9; 19 March 1934, page 7; 20 March 1934, page 2; 24 March 1934, page 9; 9 June 1934, page 9; "Lietuvos aidas": 17 March 1934, page 12; 20 March 1934, page 5; 26 March 1934, page 8. I have checked for nearby dates in these two newspapers extensively. Very surprised there don't seem to be any reports 27 March to early April 1934 (maybe Easter holidays is the problem). This Kaunas event (17-26 March 1934) was part of Spielmann's 1934 Baltic tour. While in Lithuania, he also played matches with Mikenas and Macht. I have worked out the full results of these and can give them to you if you don't have them and want them. |
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Jun-27-21
 | | Tabanus: Oops, I posted that already. Here he has 4 points in Vilnius Christmas tournament (?) 1943: https://www.europeana.eu/en/item/92... (lower right corner) |
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Jun-27-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: <jessicafischerqueen> Thanks for that. I've entered revised Bio. Due to Tabanus' post, I've removed the bit about living in Kaunas (thanks Tab). |
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Jun-27-21
 | | Tabanus: https://lse.lt/wp-content/uploads/2... lists 5 events with M. Birmanas. But I suppose you know that too already. |
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Jun-27-21 | | chesshistoryinterest: I think I remember checking this through some time ago, but had another look to be sure. I make it that the first 3 mentions are the two Lithuanian Championships I mention; the fourth mention is the 1952 event where the entry looks incorrect; and the fifth mention is the 1942, Trade Union teams, 2 rounds match Lithuania-Latvia as mentioned by hemy in his second post of 30 January 2020 (and for which we now have both games entered). I also checked Volume 1 (1919-1940), Volume 3 (1953-1956) and Volume 4 (1957-1960) and didn't find any mentions. |
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Jun-27-21
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<chesshistoryinterest> the Birmanas bio looks good, but this information needs to be footnoted and sourced: <Birmanas became the chess champion of Lithuania in 1943 by tying for first place with Arlauskas and Abramavicius with 8.5 out of 11 at the Championship tournament at Vilnius in July 1943 and winning the subsequent 3-way playoff a month later with 2.5 out of 4. He was 4-6= in the 1945 Lithuanian Championship with 6 out of 10.His son, Eugenijus, played 4th board for Kaunas in the 1952 cities championship of Lithuania.> |
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