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Apr-02-19
 | | Tabanus: Ireland, Select Marriages:
James Smith, spouse Harriet Helsham, married 10 May 1828 in Kill St Nicholas, Waterford, Ireland. If them, it's 16 months after Charles was born. |
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Apr-02-19
 | | Tabanus: Ilustrated London News, 17 July 1847, p. 43:
<Any amateur wishing to play a Game at Chess by Correspondence, may hear of an opponent, by addressing "C. F. Smith, 16, Spencer-terrace, Lower Road, Islington".> |
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Apr-02-19
 | | MissScarlett: <Smith's surviving Bethlem hospital records reveal one of the two securities (a person legally responsible for the incoming patient) as John Smith (presumably his father or close relative) of <16 Spencer Terrace, Islington>.> In the 1851 census, at this address are found: John Smith, Irish-born, married, age 60, clerk in National Bank of Ireland; wife, Jane, 38, Irish-born; two sons, both at school, James, 16, Irish-born, and William, 12, born in Islington; a servant, Anne Pierse, 41, Irish-born. The 1841 census has the Smith family living at another address in Islington - John Smith, 50, a clerk, Irish-born; no wife listed; <Chas. F Smith>, 13, a clerk, Irish-born; James, 6, Irish-born; Sidney, 4, and William, 2, both born in Middlesex; Anne Pierce, 25, Irish-born. Townsend surmises the family probably moved from Ireland to London between 1835 and 1837, with John being transferred from the National Bank branch in Waterford to the head office in London. |
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Apr-02-19
 | | MissScarlett: Illustrated London News, 17 July 1847, p. 43: http://www.chessreference.com/Staun... <ILN>, September 12th 1846: http://www.chessreference.com/Staun... |
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Jul-11-19 | | Jean Defuse: ...
More game played by C.F. Smith:
Smith vs NN, 1852 A Simons vs Smith, 1852 (London) Source: JWD
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Jul-24-24
 | | MissScarlett: Illustrated London News, December 20th 1856, p.609: <A SECOND-RATE wishes to engage in fifty games of Chess by correspondence. Address, Omega, 16 Spencer-terrace, Lower-road, Islington.> |
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Jan-03-25
 | | jnpope: The game Bird vs C Smith, 1850 (clearly given as C. F. Smith in the ILN source) is the same game that Dr. C. F. Schmidt, editor of the <Cincinnati Sunday Dispatch> published as "played many years ago between the Editor and one of the leading Chess players of London, England"; see <Hazeltine Scrapbook>, v32, pdf p18 (Cincinnati Dispatch, column problem 6). Did C. F. Smith (London) move to the United States and change his name to Schmidt? And if so, how did he "die" in England, 1868, when I have him moving to Washington, DC USA where he is listed as the Vice President of the Washington Chess Club in the <Chess Journal>, v2 n14, May 1871, p128?? I have some serious questions about <<any and all>> prior identifications of this man. I get the feeling he was a German/Austrian who moved to England (changed his name to Smith while there) and then relocated to the US where, living in Cincinnati was comfortable using Schmidt as Cincinnati had, and still has, a large Germanic community. |
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Jan-04-25
 | | MissScarlett: Hmmm. <Bell's Life> of September 22nd 1850, p.5, reports on a match between <C F Smith> and <Cradock>, the former giving the odds of P+2, won by Smith 5-0. More importantly, Smith is identified as the President of the City-road Chess Club. This wasn't a major club, but would be a 22 year-old Irishman likely be its president? |
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Jan-04-25
 | | MissScarlett: The Era, November 7th 1858, p.13:
<We hear that a Chess club has been lately organised at Browning's, Commercial Coffee-house, in the City-road, and wish it every success. Chess meetings at the same house were held some few years ago, and Messrs. Bird, C. F. Smith, and other good players, attended them regularly. The subscription to this new society is a monthly one, and the whole, we learn, only amounts to 6s. per annum.> This earlier incarnation doesn't sound a particularly formal affair, so Irish-Smith's youth might not be a serious objection. Irish-Smith lived in Lower Road, Islington, about this time, which is fairly close to City Road. I think we need some more background on American-Schmidt. |
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Jan-04-25
 | | jnpope: The <Penny Illustrated Weekly News>, 1864.02.06, p538, gives a game between C. F. Smith and J. N. Smith. Clearly there was a C. F. Smith in London while C. F. Schmidt was in the United States. Was Dr. C. F. Schmidt claiming to have played the game of C. F. Smith vs Bird? Or was there an intersection of two chess-players named "C. F. Smith" in England in the 1850s? |
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Jan-04-25
 | | MissScarlett: What’s the earliest date you can place Schmidt in America? In 1864, Irish-Smith should still be in the asylum. |
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Jan-04-25
 | | jnpope: He's the initial chess editor of the <Cincinnati Sunday Dispatch>, so that places him in Cincinnati in June 1858. |
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Jan-04-25
 | | MissScarlett: Well, that rules him out from being Birmingham-Smith, at least. What does the <ILN>say about the 1859 Parr game? |
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Jan-04-25
 | | jnpope: <Chess in the Metropolis.
Clever game played between Mr. C. F. Smith and Mr. G. Parr.> |
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Jan-04-25
 | | jnpope: A response to C. F. Smith is given in the correspondents section of the <ILN> on 12 December 1863. |
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Jan-04-25
 | | jnpope: Dr. C. F. Schmidt is proving to be a hard target to track. He appears to travel around the US, not staying put long enough to generate a lot of news items. |
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Jan-04-25
 | | MissScarlett: <In 1864, Irish-Smith should still be in the asylum.> I had been assuming that Smith was permanently confined to the asylum from at least 1861, the time of the census, to his demise in 1868, but that's not necessarily the case. That <C F Smith> is apparently absent from the chess press during the heydays of 1851 when Irish-Smith was largely confined to the asylum is suggestive, to say the least. |
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Jan-04-25
 | | jnpope: Well, unless he was allowed to interact with the outside world via the mails. Perhaps he was allowed to read the <ILN> and wrote his letter in 1863 and perhaps the C. F. Smith vs J. N. Smith game published in 1864 was a correspondence game (making J. N. his brother James or father John?). |
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Jan-05-25
 | | MissScarlett: <Renette's book adds one interesting detail - Falkbeer placed Smith in Birmingham in December 1857 (<Sunday Times>, 20.12.1857). This I admit increases the possibility that our man may have been present at the Birmingham congress.> Charles Smith (kibitz #8) Checking the source (http://www.chessarch.com/excavation...) this is correct, but it's unclear whether Falkbeer or Green (who sent in the game) is responsible for placing Smith in Birmingham. If Green, who left for India in 1856, then perhaps Smith was located in Birmingham only earlier, during which time the correspondence game was played - that I somewhat arbitrarily dated to 1853: C Smith vs V Green, 1853 |
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Jan-05-25
 | | MissScarlett: <Perhaps he was allowed to read the <ILN> and wrote his letter in 1863 and perhaps the C. F. Smith vs J. N. Smith game published in 1864 was a correspondence game (making J. N. his brother James or father John?).> C Smith vs J N Smith, 1864 In the 1851 census, the brother is <James N>. Incidentally, the father John is 60, whilst his wife Jane is only 38. If Charles was indeed the eldest son (can't be ruled out that he was a nephew/cousin), that would make Jane a very young mother. Perhaps she was his second wife - in the 1841 census, no wife was listed. |
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Jan-05-25
 | | jnpope: I'm still perplexed by Schmidt's claim to being Bird's opponent in Bird vs C Smith, 1850. Smith and Bird played a lot of games together (including a 14 game series with Smith playing the White side of the Evans in some theoretical tests). So clearly Smith and Bird were frequent opponents in 1850. I guess this one game <could> have been wrongly attributed to Smith due to the large number of games being played between Smith and Bird in 1850, but at this point I'm going with 99.9% Smith and 0.1% Schmidt. Schmidt has no real credibility to fall back on due to a lack of other games being played by him in England. I might be willing to cut Schmidt more slack if it can be proven he was in England at that time, but I think he may have been just trying to bolster his standing in the chess world to his Cincinnati constituents and, perhaps, by picking a losing game it was less likely anyone would discover the subterfuge. |
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Jan-05-25
 | | MissScarlett: <The game Bird vs C Smith, 1850 (clearly given as C. F. Smith in the ILN source) is the same game that Dr. C. F. Schmidt, editor of the <Cincinnati Sunday Dispatch> published as "played many years ago between the Editor and one of the leading Chess players of London, England"; see <Hazeltine Scrapbook>, v32, pdf p18 (Cincinnati Dispatch, column problem 6).> Having tracked down the column in question, I see you neglected to point out that Schmidt, in giving the game, replicates Staunton's brief notes from the <ILN>. That he should have handy a copy (a clipping most likely) of this column from 8 years before is curious, to say the least. |
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Jan-05-25
 | | jnpope: I didn't even look at the notes. Nice catch.
Giving Saunton's annotations without giving credit seems to smack of outright thievery, coupled with a bogus claim of participation, to me. He probably kept a scrapbook of clippings (like White, Hazeltine, Reichhelm, Cook, et. al.). So I'm not surprised he would have the column. Now I'm wondering if he was ousted from his duties as the column's editor due to unethical behavior? |
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Jan-05-25
 | | MissScarlett: Morning Advertiser, October 23rd 1856, p.2:
<TO THE EDITOR OF THE MORNING ADVERTISER.SIR, - I trust that the grief occasioned by the late lamentable accident at the Surrey Music Hall will induce our Government to endeavour to pass a law sufficiently stringent in its provisions to deter demons in human shape from striving to carry devastation and death into crowded assemblies by raising false alarms. If the detestable device of wilfully raising a cry of "Fire" had been attempted in the old Roman ampitheatres, the offenders, if discovered, would no doubt have been instantly flung to the wild beasts. Hanging is evidently too mild a punishment for such an offence. It is to be hoped that Mr. Spurgeon will persist in his noble efforts to bring thousands within hearing of the Word. The careless need to be told that they are hastening on to "a doom of which the highest Archangel cannot comprehend a thousandth part of the horror." The ancients had a saying, "Fiat justitia ruat caelum." Let us declare, in a similar spirit, the Gospel must be preached, whatever may be the consequences as regards this world. I am, Sir, your obedient servant.
C. F. Smith.
16, Spencer-terrace, Lower-road, Islington, Oct.22.> <The famous Baptist preacher Charles Spurgeon held religious services at the Music Hall in weekends because the New Park Street Chapel could not contain his audiences. The first service was held on the evening of Sunday 19 October 1856, with an audience of 10,000 inside and as many outside unable to enter. It was, however, marred by tragedy when someone shouted fire and a panic to escape ensued. Seven were killed in the crush and many injured.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal... |
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Feb-01-25
 | | jnpope: <MissScarlett: What’s the earliest date you can place Schmidt in America?> "The history of Frederick A. Schmidt and of his family is interwoven with the history of our city from the very day of its foundation, relatives on his mother's side having been among the first settlers. He himself was born in Cincinnati on the 19th of June, 1842, the son of Charles F. and Susan A. (Griffin) Schmidt. His father, though a native of Germany, belonged to the old Scotch family of Seton. Educated in the University of Bonn, he afterwards studied in the medical schools of London, and became a physician renowned over all the civilized world. It was to visit his uncle, then German consul in New York, that Charles F. Schmidt first came to this country [...] In 1839 Dr. Schmidt came to Cincinnati, and shortly afterwards married David Griffin's daughter."
-<Cincinnati, the Queen City: 1788-1912>, v3, Clarke Publishing Co. 1912, p244. Dr. Schmidt appears to have been born in Barmen 1809/1810 (census gives "Barme, Germany" and is transcribed to "Barre, Germany"). Marriage certificate states he was married 18-Sep-1839 in Cincinnati. He shows up in census records for 1850 and 1860 (age 51) living in Ohio before relocating to Washington, DC, where he lives out the remainder of his days with his large family. He dies 14-July-1885. So while he was educated <in the medical schools of London> I see no possible way he could have played Bird unless he jaunted back across the pond around 1850 for a quick tilt (which I guess is possible, but not probable). |
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