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Apr-28-25 | | stone free or die: <I don't like the whiplash from changing, than unchanging, then changing again.> To be explicit - I'm thinking of the recent Yokoyama adventures. . |
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Apr-28-25
 | | jnpope: Pope shorthand = I will always be using his published 1987 work when I just refer to <Gaige> as a source. Gaige does repeat the information in his unpublished 1994 manuscript (if I ever cite the unpublished work I'll mention using the "updated" or "unpublished" work specifically). |
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Apr-28-25 | | stone free or die: <Pope shorthand = I will always be using his published 1987 work when I just refer to <Gaige> as a source.> Ah, see - best to be explicit. I would encourage everyone to use the <1994 Gaige> now that it's freely available to all. And yes, all the material is repeated, perhaps with corrections. It wasn't strictly unpublished, afaik, as many copies were circulated. I think McFarland might have published this version as well - but again - please confirm. (Hell, I'll go over there and just find out, hold on...) |
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Apr-28-25 | | stone free or die: And unlike <jn>, I endeavor to supply links for the reader's convenience (yes, that's a slight nag!): https://books.google.com/books?id=H... This is the <Our Folder> "Ernest" reference cited above. |
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Apr-28-25 | | stone free or die: McFarland is the 1987 version:
https://mcfarlandbooks.com/product/... |
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Apr-28-25
 | | jnpope: "Ernest S. Maguire, Philadelphia, Pa." is also mentioned in the chess column of the New York <World>, 1891.03.01, p24. |
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Apr-28-25
 | | jnpope: <It wasn't strictly unpublished, afaik, as many copies were circulated. I think McFarland might have published this version as well - but again - please confirm.> Gaige self-published a handful of copies for critical review, but he never got around to publishing an updated version to the masses, so the one most old-fuddy-duddies like myself have on their bookshelf is the 1987 version. |
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Apr-28-25 | | stone free or die: I reviewed <NCA>'s clippings on her website - and they do present a strong, even convincing case. But we need to review this stuff, especially given Hilbert and Gaige's input. <NCA> should have done this instead of me. Let's just say I'm not expecting any thanks.
(I still wonder where <Elihu> came from, though that one might have been answered by <NCA>, after my prompting I might add!) . |
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Apr-28-25 | | stone free or die: <<jn> So the one most old-fuddy-duddies like myself have on their bookshelf is the 1987 version.> I think he should have sent one to you too! (When was your 1st edition Pillsbury?) Isn't it like the <Real Book> in jazz, or the Lyon's Unix source code commentary - where mimeographed copies were passed hand to hand in some dark alley late at night?! |
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Apr-28-25 | | stone free or die: Gotz to go, I'll be back later to see the latest, err, "developments". |
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Apr-28-25
 | | NewspaperChessArchiv: <jnpope> Thank you for looking into it. I also just got off the phone with Dan Heisman. https://www.danheisman.com/dans-boo...
Very pleasant fellow, lives outside of Philadelphia. He said he will contact all his colleagues in the Philadelphia area with knowledge about players from the old chess club, which sadly is now permanently closed. He agreed that Gaige was an expert archivist of Philadelphian chess, but when I explained I pulled what Chess Archaeology was using (plural) "original source material," articles with Ernest S. Maguire... he said that original source material is about as good as it gets. I think he is a historian himself and an author of many books. I have emailed him copies of the newspaper articles to let his colleagues have a go at it. See if they know anything further about "E. S. Maguire". |
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Apr-28-25
 | | NewspaperChessArchiv: <jnpope> Please add the dob/death. November 13, 1873 - December 16, 1954
Ernest S. Maguire was born in Washington, D.C . and died in Philadelphia. I found Maguire's death certificate and military registration card as well as obituary and other material to confirm his identity, including geneaology. https://best-in-chess.blogspot.com/... Thank you for clearing things up. |
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Apr-29-25
 | | perfidious: <NCA>, if <jnpope> does not add dob/dod this time of day, I am often around. |
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Apr-29-25 | | stone free or die: Although I approve of the work product final results, I don't approve of the hysteria involved in the process. |
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Apr-29-25
 | | fredthebear: Out of touch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMz... ? |
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Apr-29-25
 | | jnpope: <I won't contact Chess Archaeology to inquire about their sources. > I am the sole representative of Chess Archaeology, so by contacting me you're contacting the CA website. Also, I'm not responsible for the content of submitted articles. For issues with material written by other authors you will need to track them down. Rumor has it that there is a Facebook group that many of them are involved with (I don't do social media so I don't know any URLs). |
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Apr-29-25
 | | NewspaperChessArchiv: <jnpope> In the past, instead of relying on sources such as Wikipedia, I tended to contact the Professors over various University departments.. the ones who write the books. It could lead to funny outcomes. i.e., the Professor being cited, and he reads over what people are writing, and he be like, "That's not right." However, I don't care who they are, prestigious or renown, at the end of the day they are human. Humans make errors. Authors (Latin root, auctor, signifies a creator, founder, or promoter. It's the root for both "author" (as in writer) and "authority" (as in the power or right to command) such as Gaige, should be taken seriously. But only if their claims mesh together cohesively with other documented facts. All informed opinion should be based entirely on facts. "Skepticism is a questioning attitude or doubt toward knowledge claims that are seen as mere belief or dogma." |
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Apr-29-25 | | stone free or die: <"Skepticism is a questioning attitude or doubt toward knowledge claims that are seen as mere belief or dogma."> I'm skeptical about this definition of skepticism. |
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Apr-29-25
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Apr-29-25 | | stone free or die: AI Overview - "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery." |
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Apr-29-25 | | stone free or die: According to skeptic author Daniel Loxton, "skepticism is a story without a beginning or an end." Despite finding the above nugget, which I appreciate as is (and out of context, whatever it was), I don't even like Wiki's definition of skepticism. Good science needs good skepticism, as does good chess history. A good perspective and good community support also helps. |
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Apr-29-25
 | | NewspaperChessArchiv: <jnpope> That's the way to be. Remain skeptical of everything but never a closed mind passive aggressive. |
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Apr-29-25 | | stone free or die: Let's note the re-edit went out of it's way to add the self-referential < passive aggressive.> ending. Please don't color me <passive aggressive>. I'm outright full blown aggressive from here on, after suffering all the hysterical abuse from yesterday. |
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Apr-29-25
 | | fredthebear: Ah, those threats! Same story, next verse. Zanzibar has always targeted others on this website, and always will. It is well established that you're on here for the attention, negative as it may be, that you don't get in your personal life. Nothing has changed in decades. |
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Apr-29-25 | | stone free or die: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe... |
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