The Colonel is unable to explain anything about God or religion because he's an Agnostic.

Agnostics by definition admit that they don't know about God.

I tried to help him by answering his questions but I'm beginning to doubt his sincerity.

And when I ask him a simple question all I get in return is a nonsensical epigram!

Indeed, I've doubted his sincerity years ago. That's why I have little patience with <mort>, but I tolerate him anyways because I'm tolerant to a fault.

<Colonel Mortimer: You know as much about the existence of God as I do.>

Oh - a militant agnostic! Got to love those. "I don't know if God exists and YOU CAN'T KNOW EITHER!!!"

LOL!

This is why you think pantheism is more plausible than atheism?

You've already shared your personal belief. You said you were not an atheist, you are a pantheist.

Too late to not share that one <mort>.

You shared a lot.

You shared that you chose this belief based on reasoning, personal observation and intellectual endeavor.

You shared everything already.

Now, since you are here occupying space in my forum, where we discuss philosophy, you suddenly get all shy and don't want to share.

Well, isn't that cute!

You've shared the personal stuff already. What you haven't done is explain your reasoning, which is not personal once you've shared your belief.

Fact is, you've been shown that you just believe what you believe, cuz you believe it - and your beliefs are not based on reasons, intellectual endeavor or observation. You've got no arguments, no grounds whatsoever to support your beliefs. They are just based on feelings and that's that.

Thanks for the nice, long discussion <mort>, you've revealed everything that needed to be revealed actually.

Since you have nothing of value to add, you have no reason to be here anymore. If you decide to add something of value then by all means post here.

Good, so no more questions you need ask.

<Fact is, you've been shown that you just believe what you believe, cuz you believe it>

No different to you.>

Hold on just a second, you claimed that you arrived at pantheism, over atheism, because of your intellectual endeavors and observations, distinctly different from us Christians. Now you've shifted positions openly like this?

Let me get this straight. You have absolutely no reasons at all to think that pantheism is more plausible than atheism yet you still think that pantheism is probably true?

Don't you see that some people are so invested in their own belief systems that not matter what you put in front of them, they are just "not going to get it">

Probably why <Clemens Scheitz:> is worried CM is here.

<Colonel Mortimer:
I'll take your advice>

Diceman, you see what happens when they are one on one. They give up, roll over, play dead, play dumb, refuse to answer questions, run away and then pretend it never happened.

Fact is, the atheists have no good reasons, arguments or evidence as to why atheism is true. Same goes for cop out deflections like "I'm a pantheist".

And yes, <clemen sheitz> couldn't bear to watch mort suffer anymore, but then again he might be a sock puppet.

So it's ok for you to ask me a series of questions to which I provide sincere answers, but when someone "has the audacity" to ask you a simple follow-up question to your own previous posts, you curl up in the fetal position and won't talk to anybody?!

Is it because you don't know whether you're an atheist, or a pantheist, or an agnostic, or a muslim, or what you are...?

You have no personal belief and don't want to admit to it!

That's why you won't answer a simple question...

"What do you believe and why do you believe it?"

Your comments here have been entirely disingenuous!

Either start answering some questions and have a real back and forth, or I'm just going to start deleting your posts. It's that simple.

You know that?!

You were firing questions at me on this topic and I patiently and sincerely answered every one!

And now you have the audacity to say <Your belief isn't a secret - it's documented in book that tells people to go and evangelise.>

How do you even have the nerve to show up here anymore?

In case you haven't noticed, this is the childish formula employed around here:

1.- An idea is presented.

For example, <..Fact is, the atheists have no good reasons, arguments or evidence as to why atheism is true.>

2.- Someone points out how ridiculous that statement is.

In this case see page 15 #8 of http://philpapers.org/archive/BOUWDP or, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...

3.- The deluded mind of the moderator and his followers cannot grasp the simplicity of the challenge and a long list of insults, logical fallacies, fancy but empty words, changes of subject, Zombie Jesus is my savior, etc, etc will follow.

4.- The challenger realizes that he is dealing with one-dimensional blockheads so he leaves.

5.- The arrogant moderator erroneously thinking that the guest has left because he couldn't match his wits, declares himself the victor and awards himself some points that are just as imaginary as the supernatural entities he believes in.

6.- The "regulars" in the forum go back to their profound theological discussions of the sacred books such as "Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. Since we are not sure if this apply only to Mexicans but not Canadians and we shouldn't trust our intellect and common sense but our faith, let's pray to our Lord for guidance..."

That's why they confine their argumentation to fundamentalist Christians where they can batter them over a 6,000 year old universe, Noah's Ark, Joshua stopping the sun, and the like...

It's a different story when they come up against mainstream Christians who can properly interpret the Bible and argue the case for God in a rational world view.

Then suddenly these atheists and agnostics or pantheists or whatever they are refuse to answer questions or debate the truth, so squib it with pathetic excuses like "that's my personal belief which I do not wish to share".

Cowards!

Yes, <mort> says he's not an atheist, he's a pantheist, and he arrived at that conclusion not as Christians do (parents bring them into the religion) but by his own personal observations and intellectual endeavors.

<2.- Someone points out how ridiculous that statement is.>

<Big Pawn: <mort>, explain the reasoning process that lead to you think that pantheism is more plausible than atheism>

<3.- The deluded mind of the moderator and his followers cannot grasp the simplicity of the challenge and a long list of insults, logical fallacies, fancy but empty words, changes of subject, Zombie Jesus is my savior, etc, etc will follow.>

<mort: I don't have to answer your questions! I don't think there is any evidence for anything. (contradicting his position that pantheism is more plausible than atheism).

<fallacy> - <mort: I deflect this question>

<4.- The challenger realizes that he is dealing with one-dimensional blockheads so he leaves.>

<Big pawn: Mort, if you don't answer questions then bring nothing of value to the discussion, so I will have to delete your posts.

5. <5.- The arrogant moderator erroneously thinking that the guest has left because he couldn't match his wits, declares himself the victor>

Mort doesn't answer the single question I asked him 20 times in a row and finally says "enough". This is the "shallow" victory.

<Disclosure: We are champions of tolerance and free speech around here so, if we don't like your post we will erase it.>

Disclosure: This is a forum for philosophical and religious debate. If you don't answer questions you attempt to avoid going back and forth. This is not allowed here.

It's great to see that <clemens shietz> is so upset at how this all went down.

Let me boil it down:

Mort couldn't answer the question. Mort didn't try to answer the question. Mort tried to deflect the question. Mort was called out on all this.

The End.

Contemptuous cowards!>

Isn't it good to be on the side of the Truth?

It's very rewarding and satisfying to bully the atheist bullies, because you know that if they could, they would strap on the jackboots and kick us around with no mercy.

But instead the are suddenly very, very meek.

<optimal>, let me sum this whole thing up:

1. Big Pawn asks mort to explain his reasoning.

2. Mort can't

3. Optimal asks mort to explain his reasoning (why pantheism is more plausible than atheism)

4. Mort can't.

5. Mort is embarrassed so he goes into the fetal position and refuses to answer questions, yet lurks in this forum

6. Christians emerge brave and victorious while atheists are licking their wounds and running home with their tails between their legs. Internet warriors they are!

The great thing about this <optimal> is that after asking mort to explain pantheism over atheism 20 times in a row without even an attempted answer, proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is outmatched, outclassed, and that he has no reasoning to show for his beliefs, contrary to what he claimed (I arrived at pantheism via personal observation and intellectual endeavor).

I myself patiently answered every one of his machine-gun like questions truthfully and sincerely, yet when the Colonel himself was asked one simple straight-forward question about what he believes and why he believes it, he shamelessly replied "that's my personal belief which I do not wish to share".

Wow! I have rarely seen such cowardice!

How can anybody be so ashamed of their own beliefs?

Needless to say, <Colonel Mortimer> then metaphorically got his head shoved down the toilet!

As <dice> noticed, <Yes, be a good lil lap dog, and run on home. You're making <Clemens Scheitz:> nervous.>

Theism makes so much more sense of the world, of reality as we experience it. Theism explains a wide range of data concerning life and the universe. No, it is not God of the Gaps at all; rather, it is simply more plausible than atheism or agnosticism (which is a cop out in many ways) as is shown by philosophical (metaphysical) arguments and is also in harmony with current science.

Atheists like to run around and say, "Christians believe in fairy tales. Not us. We're atheists and we are smarter because we believe in reason and logic". But then when you challenge them on their reason and logic, the have *nothing* to say!