I'm sorry friend but at my age I don't have the time nor the inclination to rehash some simple concepts that are more appropriate for other forums. That's why I said I'll just go back to chess since chess is basically what this site is for.

He started a discussion and then ran away!

I asked him a couple of simple questions and it's like "Oh, I thought you knew about the Bible but you don't, so even though I opened up this discussion I'm now not going to talk to you becaue of whatever"

Well ... okay then ... don't worry about it, mate!

<Tasty Prawn>

<<td> has comment here before and I recognized he had insight then, and I enjoyed and valued his posts. There was value there, without any noise or nonsense. I also enjoyed his insights in the current discussion since his first post about it. He is lucid, clear and shows that <<<he has understanding.>>> A good poster.>

I couldn't agree more about <technical draw>.

He's best known for winning the cg.com "Funniest Poster" almost every year, but this man is a river that runs deep.

Oh, now I get it!

When <TD> said <It was my understanding that you had already passed the understanding of the difference between the OT and the NT. With your question it appears that that has not happened.> he was making a joke!

LOL!

Okay, he gets my vote for "Funniest Poster" next year!

Man is not compelled to act on knowledge, reason and truth.>

This is not a natural occurrence. This is being orchestrated and the "crisis" is being used as an excuse to do this. It makes no sense to keep sending and sending all these muzzies to England, France, Germany, the Netherlands and the US. The oil rich Arab countries right next door to the refugees have the money and the space to absorb these refugees, not to mention they are culturally compatible.

Islam is 100% incompatible with western values, 110% incompatible with the US constitution and incompatible with both the Christian and secular cultures in the west.

Who is really making this happen and why?

There must be powerful interest groups behind the Muzzie invasions, but the biggest problem is simply "denial" by many foolish people.

<Of all the factors contributing to Islam’s hostile takeover of Europe, perhaps the most important is denial.

If you deny the reality of Islamization, you can’t effectively resist it.

The reality is that Europe is in a life and death struggle, but the denialists insist that it’s just business as usual.

They assure us that terror has nothing to do with Islam (so don’t worry), that immigration is just cultural enrichment (it’s good for you), and that there are no no-go-zones (but it’s best to avoid them).>

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2016/...

I think they are seen as the new foot
soldier for liberalism.

Unlike liberal cowards, they have the courage to actually carry out their hate/intolerance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzc...

<The philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche was one of the most brilliant and dangerous minds of the 19th century. His uncompromising and often brutal ideas smashed the comfortable presuppositions and assumptions of religion, morality and science. His was a world not just bereft of God but almost of humanity, breathtaking in both its post-religious starkness and its originality.

Bettany Hughes goes in search of the beliefs of a man whose work is amongst the most devastatingly manipulated and misinterpreted in philosophical history. Nietzsche's dislike of systems and of seeking truths left his ideas ambiguous and sometimes incoherent. It was this that made him vulnerable to interpretation, and as a result his thoughts - which warned against the very notion of a political system like totalitarianism - were manipulated to strengthen its ideals.

Vocally opposed to anti-Semitism, his anti-Semitic sister made sure he became the poster boy for Hitler's drive for an Aryan ideal. Anti-nationalistic, he came to symbolise a regime he would have loathed. His philosophical quest led him to isolation and ultimately madness, but his ideas helped shape the intellectual landscape of the modern world.>

Excellent 1 hour documentary by the BBC.

Aside from being an all around excellent documentary, it touches on some ideas that are relevant to the Moral Argument, especially the idea that without God, there are no values at all, including moral values.

This had a profound effect on Nietzsche for the rest of his life.

Watching this documentary, we can see that Nietzsche agrees with the first premise of the argument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzc... >

Thanks for posting the link to that documentary. I found it quite interesting.

Despite his upbringing, or perhaps in some ways because of it, Nietzsche profoundly misunderstood Christianity.

However he did understand that the loss of religious belief would result in a vacuum of meaning in human existence, but seemed to think that Übermensch would somehow become the new ideal.

Who is really making this happen and why? >

This is happening because of economics.

In order for the people in power to *stay* in power they need economic growth.

Economic contraction or sever crises, such as hyperinflation, lead to revolution. Or in democracies, this can lead to extremist, dictatorial-type politicians getting elected.

For example, Hitler got elected due to an economic crisis. There was even a plot against FDR here in the US during the Great Depression.

Anyway, in the interest of brevity, I will try not to delve too far into this. Which will inevitably lead to people disputing my argument, but such a topic really requires an article to make the case well.

There are two ways to achieve economic growth - by increasing productivity, and increasing the workforce.

Immigration increases the workforce. At least, it does when the immigrants are coming from Mexico, and willing to do work that US-born workers turn down, such as low-wage agricultural work and day laboring.

This is why nothing has been done about our porous border with Mexico. You might be surprised to learn that illegal immigration across our border has been an issue for decades, not just recently. When I was a child, I read an article about it in Time magazine! Reagan was president at the time. (no pun intended).

Labor doesn't have the political power. Capital does. Capital makes more profits when they can get Labor for less. And the ruling elites answer to Capital, not labor.

So this is why both Dems and GOP (establishment) never did anything to stop illegal immigration.

And this is why Muslims are being extracted from their homeland, and brought to Western Nations. England has no border with Mexico. Nor does France, of course. So they cannot get cheap (Roman Catholic) laborers to grow their economy.

And the birth rates of rich Western nations are low, so population growth is slow. Which means economic growth is slow, unless the ruling elites can grow the population artificially, through immigration.

And since the USA still doesn't have a wall, the fight to bring in Muslims from Syria is not as critical for US ruling elites, so they haven't opposed Trump as strongly as the open-border cabal in Europe are fighting their nationalist opponents.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-...

However, the question put by BP is why Muzzies are being allowed to flood in as distinct from normal immigration?

Is it because there is a shortage of preferred migrants and so in order to prop up economic growth Western Nations have to settle for Muslim refugees?

Are they really that desperate for cheap labour?

This is happening because of economics.>

The only economics the "elites" care
about is themselves.

<In order for the people in power to *stay* in power they need economic growth.>

Not once the takers, outweigh the makers. Government growth does just fine!

Are they really that desperate for cheap labour?>

Multiple reasons, it seems. Like I said, it would take an article to really do justice to the topic.

Classy lady eh? What do you reckon to D-Fed's wife in these pictures, the <FLOTUS?>>

Mark, why is it that you have such a hard time disagreeing with people in a civil manner?

Seems you can't keep your emotions in check - you can't have a thoughtful discussion. You have to turn everything into a pissing contest, into a war of words.

Really, life is better when you can disagree with other people without being an arse about it.

All of that emotional drama is 100% liberal female. Only women are into their feelings the way Mark is. He doesn't realize that being a feelings first or an emotions first kind of person is all the mama in him. This is what happens when you don't have good parents and the specially a strong and good father. That's why he ended up in jail.

He's everything a Democrat would like. He's a social justice warrior, white night, all emotions, all feelings, anti-masculinity kind of liberal pansy. A fully brainwashed politically correct little zombie cuck. His IQ of 85 is exactly what the Democratic Party is mostly made up of and what they're looking for. These are the kind of people that can be easily brainwashed and programmed. They follow the trends, they don't think for themselves and they make a lot of noise.

Birds of a feather or flock together.

<<<<In a 1997 speech called "Fighting the Culture War in America", (The Speaker) rhetorically deplored a culture war he said was being conducted by a generation of media people, educators, entertainers, and politicians against:>>>

... the God fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle-class Protestant – or even worse, evangelical Christian, Midwestern or Southern – or even worse, rural, apparently straight – or even worse, admitted heterosexuals, gun owning – or even worse, NRA-card-carrying, average working stiff – or even worse, male working stiff – because, not only don’t you count, you are a down-right obstacle to social progress. Your voice deserves a lower decibel level, your opinion is less enlightened, your media access is insignificant; and frankly, mister, you need to wake up, wise up, and learn a little something from your new America; and until you do, would you mind shutting up?>

<He went on to say:

The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of wise old dead white guys who invented our country! Now some flinch when I say that. Why! It's true-they were white guys! So were most of the guys that died in Lincoln's name opposing slavery in the 1860s.

So why should I be ashamed of white guys? Why is "Hispanic Pride" or "Black Pride" a good thing, while "White Pride" conjures shaven heads and white hoods? Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated by many as progress, while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with suspicion and ridicule? I'll tell you why: Cultural warfare!>

And he's right. You can have Hispanic Pride and Black Pride, and that's supposed to be a good thing, but White Pride is somehow immoral.

Where does white pathological altruism come from?

If Blacks have a black pride march, it's wonderful, it's equal, its progress, it's American, it's moral.

If Whites have a white pride parade it's RACISM!

Liberal Democrat rules:

1. Be very ashamed of being white, and apologize for it at every opportunity, licking boots in the meanwhile.

2. Know that masculinity is bad, immoral and toxic.

3. Seek to give away your status as the majority demographic and to give away your country via population replacement, because white people are the cancer of the world.

4. Know that Christianity is the religion of WHITE MEN and is therefore racist, immoral and against all the virtues of life, like homosexuality.

As I think you know, I was a far far lefty for a time in my life.

In fact, I was a tree-hugging community organizer (for the Hoosier Environmental Council), and was card-carrying Green Party voter & extreme leftist. I was Pro Earth Liberation Front (but never a member, just to be clear).