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| Jul-03-17 | | playground player: BTW, I lost friends in the World Trade Center that day--two innocent young people just starting out in business. They died horribly... providing entertainment for that kindly old man. |
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| Jul-04-17 | | SugarDom: People who make remarks about the twin towers like that even if it is just a joke has no civility or sensitivity in them. No respect for life or humanity. |
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| Jul-04-17 | | Jack Bauer: <9/11 was an inside job. <<PERIOD>>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSS... |
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| Jul-04-17 | | technical draw: <Big Pawn> In the parable of the man who owed 10,000 talents in every sermon I have heard this amount is placed so low that it actually nullifies the purpose of the parable, !0,000 talents is an astronomical figure which is impossible for a laborer to ever pay back. That is why sin is impossible for man to pay. So whatever amount that you have heard in sermons it's probably way to low. (it's actually in the billions) |
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| Jul-04-17 | | technical draw: Also the 10,000 talents are subject to interests and inflation. So the 10,000 talents of Jesus' day is mind boggling today. So my billions above should be corrected upwards. |
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| Jul-04-17 | | technical draw: And another thing that is rarely mentioned when studying this parable is the following question: How did a laborer working for minimum wages accumulate such an astounding debt? Now there is food for thought. |
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| Jul-05-17 | | SugarDom: He wasn't a laborer. More of a businessman and he owed the king big time. |
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| Jul-05-17 | | optimal play: Are you talking about the parable of the unforgiving servant (Matthew 18:21-35)? He wouldn't have been a labourer but rather a high-ranking official answerable to the king. How else could he have racked up such a huge debt? Anyway, is Jesus saying that forgiveness is conditional and may be rescinded upon failure to forgive others? I mean, if your sins are forgiven, but you don't forgive others, does this parable indicate that your sins will be 'reinstated' and you'll go to Purgatory until you have "repaid your debt"? Also, regarding those comments by <Richard Taylor> about the events of 9/11, IMO they cannot be excused or justified in any context. |
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| Jul-05-17 | | technical draw: <optimal play>. Yes that is the parable. And no matter how high ranking or low ranking he was it was still possible to accumulate such debt but with many years of improper money management . The high debt is the raison d'etre of the parable. Remember it's the King to which the man owes 10,000 talents which is an extraordinary amount. And begs the question: How did this man get into such a debt and also if this is only one man's debt, how rich is the King? The parable is made by Jesus to show that it is impossible for man to pay for his sins and thus must be forgiven. Of course man is stupid and will not forgive another man's much, much, lesser debt. It make no difference if the man is a high ranking official or a day laborer, the debt cannot be paid back. |
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| Jul-05-17 | | optimal play: <technical draw> Okay, but what about the 'reinstatement' of the debt? At the end of the parable, Jesus says “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.” So does this mean that even if God forgives a person all of his sins, unless that person also forgives others, his sins (ie debt) will be 'reinstated' by God with all the accompanying punishment due therein? How do you interpret this? |
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| Jul-05-17 | | technical draw: <optimal play> That is true. Once your sins are forgiven you have to act according to God's rule or you forfeit your own forgiveness. "For in the same manner that you judge others you will be judged" (Matthew 7:2) Now I have a rather nice way to calculate the 10,000 talents: It is one dollar more than what the richest man in the world has. |
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| Jul-05-17 | | thegoodanarchist: Why did 7500 chickens cross the road? Because Aussies can't drive well |
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| Jul-05-17 | | thegoodanarchist: Er, should be "Austrians" |
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| Jul-05-17 | | diceman: <Big Pawn:
This guy, <richard taylor> isn't some nice old man that has a groucho marx avatar.> You know it "clicked" when I saw this in tga's post: <Workers of the world, unite! As Marx wrote.> Maybe the "Groucho" avatar is a play on
his love of Karl Marx!
Since liberals tend to be cowards, Richard must
think he's being clever. |
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| Jul-05-17 | | optimal play: <technical draw: <optimal play> Once your sins are forgiven you have to act according to God's rule or you forfeit your own forgiveness. "For in the same manner that you judge others you will be judged" (Matthew 7:2)> Okay, but what does <forfeit your own forgiveness> mean? Paul said "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." - Romans 10:9-10
So although failing to forgive another may "forfeit your own forgiveness",
how does that impact upon your faith in Christ and his resurrection which ensures your salvation? What I mean is, can you still maintain faith in Christ if you sin by not forgiving another, and what are the ultimate consequences? Is the punishment for failing to forgive another only temporary (cf Matt 18:34) as distinct from rejecting Christ which brings condemnation (cf John 3:18)? |
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| Jul-06-17 | | Big Pawn: <technical draw: <optimal play> That is true. Once your sins are forgiven you have to act according to God's rule or you forfeit your own forgiveness. > You are either a child of God and have his nature, or your father is the devil and you do his will and have his nature. The devil's nature is pride which causes sin and unforgiveness. Being born of God means to receive his nature and be freed from the devil's. This is why one must be born of God to enter the kingdom of heaven. The Bible says that many who think they are right with God will not go to heaven, only a few will. So much for the big denominations with many members. |
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| Jul-06-17 | | SugarDom: I think it's pretty simple.
If you can't forgive others, how do you expect God to forgive you. Of course, we are talking forgivable sins here. Not murder, rape, etc. |
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| Jul-06-17 | | technical draw: <optimal ply> <Big Pawn> This is the eternal question of "once saved, always saved".
But Revelation 3:5 says: " “The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. " So by this verse we see that God has the discretion to erase salvation. Once saved then the onus is on the believer to conquer. |
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| Jul-06-17 | | technical draw: Salvation is not an event. It is a life. If this were not so then the list of ministries in Ephesians 4 :11 should be limited to just one, namely, Evangelist. Why would you need a pastor if you are already saved? |
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| Jul-06-17 | | optimal play: <Big Pawn: ... The devil's nature is pride which causes sin and unforgiveness.> Why do you think Satan is barely mentioned in the OT but ubiquitous in the NT? I think there's only three references to him in the OT (Job, 1 Chronicles & Zechariah). By contrast he's on virtually every page of the NT. Why do you think that is?
<technical draw: ... Once saved then the onus is on the believer to conquer ... Salvation is not an event. It is a life.> So the believer can achieve his own salvation by his own efforts to conquer? Just because the believer is "saved" doesn't mean he's really "saved" until he "conquers"?! Is that what you're saying? |
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| Jul-06-17 | | technical draw: <<technical draw: ... Once saved then the onus is on the believer to conquer ... Salvation is not an event. It is a life.> So the believer can achieve his own salvation by his own efforts to conquer?> You missed there part where it says, "once saved". |
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| Jul-06-17 | | technical draw: The above message is for <optimal play> |
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| Jul-06-17 | | technical draw: <optimal play> It is true that the devil is not mentioned much in the OT but that is because the OT is concerned with Israel, its history and prophesies. The new testament is concerned with eternal life, something the devil does not like much. |
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| Jul-06-17 | | optimal play: <technical draw: You missed the part where it says, "once saved".> Can you clarify that? <It is true that the devil is not mentioned much in the OT but that is because the OT is concerned with Israel, its history and prophesies.> So what? <The new testament is concerned with eternal life, something the devil does not like much.> Perhaps it was the coming of Jesus which precipitated an increase in Satanic resistance against the Kingdom of God? Anyway, how would you compare the description of Satan in the Gospels -- an opponent of the Kingdom of God -- with the description of Satan in Job -- seemingly on friendly terms with God to the extent where they have a bet on poor ol' Job? |
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| Jul-06-17 | | technical draw: Sorry, <optimal play> . your question "So what?" is disconcerting. That's why I will go back to chess and the chessbookie. |
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