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| Dec-29-09 | | malthrope: <SwitchingQuylthulg: <malthrope: [...] <Is six draws so far and no game yet played between the two exceeds 10 moves! ~lol~ :P>> Only three draws, really. The advanced search returns the games twice because both players match the search "Kosintseva" :)> >~lol~ Is that what it was <Switch>? I'll be more careful the next time I believe in a database without due consideration... ;) Funny too, I recall seeing (played 'live' or immediately after the fact) the 3 draws! :P |
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Dec-29-09
 | | Chessgames Bookie: <Just wanted to let you know that I'd $300 bet on Pogo but only $200 of it was refunded?> That doesn't sound likely but I can't promise that the refund program is 100% bug-free. Is it possible that you bought the 300 ticket in two steps (e.g. 200, then later 100?) Anyhow, we don't think that there is a bug, but we'll investigate the logfiles based on your recollection--however, that will only be to fix the system for upcoming legs. Thanks. << COMING RIGHT UP >> The final standings for the Fall leg! We are going to run the leaderboard early today and announce the top 10. |
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Dec-29-09
 | | Chessgames Bookie: ♔ FALL LEG WINNERS ♔
In a desperate last-minute betting frenzy, User: Barok Espinosa won a number of high-stakes wagers and rocketed to first place! His final total was 21,072 chessbucks. Congratulations to Barok, a free year's premium membership has been added to his account. The top 10 players have all now qualified for the upcoming Championship Leg. This means they will start the next leg with 10,000 chessbucks instead of the normal 1,000. THE TOP 10 LIST, FALL 2009
(1) Barok Espinosa (21,072)
(2) SwitchingQuylthulg (19,623)
(3) malthrope (12,879)
(4) BlackDahlia (10,740)
(5) kspiteri (9,533)
(6) dalbertz (9,073)
(7) Inertia (8,116)
(8) wallytherhino (7,187)
(9) angeloram (6,982)
(10) Shadowmancer (6,298)
The next leg will begin on or about January 1st 2010 and will last about 3 months. A number of players have qualified for the championship leg so that they will receive 10K chessbucks, however even if you didn't qualify you can still compete... it will just take a lot of luck to catch up. We will provide the complete list of qualifying players later. Thanks to everybody for playing in this season and best of luck in the next one! |
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| Dec-29-09 | | a4a5: I was massively lucky the past two days and moved up from #447 on the list to #12, only to fall short 100 chessbucks of being in the top ten. Good times anyway! |
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| Dec-29-09 | | malthrope: <Chessgames Bookie: <[malthrope:] <Just wanted to let you know that I'd $300 bet on Pogo but only $200 of it was refunded?>> That doesn't sound likely but I can't promise that the refund program is 100% bug-free. Is it possible that you bought the 300 ticket in two steps (e.g. 200, then later 100?) Anyhow, we don't think that there is a bug, but we'll investigate the logfiles based on your recollection--however, that will only be to fix the system for upcoming legs. Thanks.> What I told you was with absolute certainty. I'd stake my life on what I told you was true. You're not dealing with an ordinary memory in my case (for clarification I'd suggest viewing the section "Mal's profile..." and "Postscripts" located in my Profile). I have both a mental image of it as well as stored memory. ;) However, you've left yourself open for one last possibility - <"Is it possible that you bought the 300 ticket in two steps (e.g. 200, then later 100?)"> Yes, that is exactly what I did. Having bet $200 first and then later followed up with another $100 = $300 total. Your investigation of the logfiles should now prove quite useful. In the future, I will save a hard copy of any anomalies that might crop up. Then you will have three infallible memory points to deal with! ~lol~ ;) Moving right along...
Congrats to <Barok Espinosa> for winning the Fall leg. I thought <Switch> had it, but it just goes to show that anything can happen in the final bet. As for me? I did my job and qualified in the Top Ten. <*grin*> "Happy New Year" to everyone! :^)
- Mal
PS: <a4a5: I was massively lucky the past two days and moved up from #447 on the list to #12, only to fall short 100 chessbucks of being in the top ten. Good times anyway!> Better luck next time! :D |
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Dec-29-09
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <malthrope> Don't get overexcited! Very few things never fail, and your memory isn't one of them. Even in a very important case like this there's a very real chance that your memory could be in error. Somewhere between, perhaps, the probability of the Earth being ejected from solar orbit tomorrow as a result of a chance encounter with a free-floating planet previously populated by a species of very intelligent salamander-like creatures that invented blindfold chess but went extinct millions of years ago, and <technical draw> managing to convince 98 per cent of US population that Apollo splashdowns had to be faked after the astronauts discovered the Moon was made of cheese and refused to leave it. |
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| Dec-29-09 | | NakoSonorense: Congratulations to all the winners!
This is the 2nd (or 3rd or 4th?) time in a row that I finish at the bottom! |
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| Dec-29-09 | | malthrope: <Switch> - my memory if fine and in this case I recall everything in great detail. :) The problem must lie here... <[Mal:] However, you've left yourself open for one last possibility - <<"Is it possible that you bought the 300 ticket in two steps (e.g. 200, then later 100?)">> Yes, that is exactly what I did. Having bet $200 first and then later followed up with another $100 = $300 total. Your investigation of the logfiles should now prove quite useful. In the future, I will save a hard copy of any anomalies that might crop up. Then you will have three infallible memory points to deal with! ~lol~ ;)> This is where they now need to examine and investigate. It should provide the truth to the answer they are seeking. ;) - Mal |
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Dec-30-09
 | | moronovich: <NakoSonorense> Dont worry.When I do the dayli yoga and look at the stndings you are clearly NO# 1 ! :) |
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| Dec-30-09 | | wordfunph: congrats to all the winners!
see you guys in Championship Leg next year..
<CG Bookie> thanks! |
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| Dec-30-09 | | Barok Espinosa: Gee, I like ChessBookie Game! Am happy to be in the company of Chessbookie greats: SwitchingQuylthulgh, malthrope, kspiteri... Thanks to CG.com and to <malthrope>, <NakoSonorense>, <wordfunph>... Be back next year for sure! |
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Dec-30-09
 | | Chessgames Bookie: <malthrope: What I told you was with absolute certainty. I'd stake my life on what I told you was true. You're not dealing with an ordinary memory in my case...> Well sir, if you put it that way, I will implicitly take your word on this. Our logfile investigation yielded two interesting things. One, that you did indeed buy it in two stages (100 plus 200), but also something entirely unexpected: that the number was, oddly, written into the logfile as "0100" and not simply "100", likewise your next bet was "0200" and not just "200". Of course the leading-zero issue should make absolutely no difference, and if you want to write "5 chessbucks" as "0005" you should be welcomed to. However, our programmer is scratching his head trying to figure out why those leading zeros weren't snipped off long before they hit the logfile, like they should have. This might be a clue as to what was so different about this one transaction which never manifested before. We'll be doing some testing in the next few days before the Championship Leg begins. Thanks for your help. |
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Dec-30-09
 | | Chessgames Bookie: OK, I just computed the list of players who have qualified for the Championship Leg. This is simply the top 10 finishers of the last 4 legs (including last year's championship--that means that "holland oats" is automatically seeded into the Championship.) Those familiar with ChessBookie Game Help Page know that these players will all start with a whopping 10,000 chessbucks--however, those who didn't qualify shouldn't give up hope, because historically there have always been cases of very lucky people who started with 1,000 and still had a respectable finish. (At least one of them is in the following list.) ♔ QUALIFICANTS FOR THE CHESSBOOKIE CHAMPIONSHIP ♔ 1. 4tmac
2. acirce
3. angeloram
4. BlackDahlia
5. Bob726
6. Bradah
7. capatal
8. ChessWriter
9. Chnebelgrind
10. dalbertz
11. DCP23
12. feripe
13. grobler
14. gunsan
15. gus inn
16. hcbsb
17. holland oats
18. Inertia
19. jameskobe
20. kspiteri
21. malthrope
22. Mate Hunter
23. Micawbr
24. moronovich
25. Pyke
26. refutor
27. ROADDOG
28. Robin01
29. Shadowmancer
30. SloVice
31. Sneaky
32. SwitchingQuylthulg
33. technical draw
34. Touch of Knight
35. wallytherhino
36. ycsidney |
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Dec-30-09
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <malthrope> Sorry for doubting your memory ;-)) <Chessgames Bookie> Could you please clarify exactly how a winning ticket's payout is calculated? I thought it was simply <wager + (loser pool * 0.95 * wager / ticket's pool / number of winning lines)>, minus any decimals, but that doesn't always add up. |
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Dec-30-09
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: By the way <Bookie> there's something wrong with that list of qualifiers. <Barok Espinosa> is missing, and is it intentional that top 12 (rather than top 10) from last year's Ch'ship leg is in? (Of course you can't knock <ChessWriter> and <Micawbr> out even if they shouldn't in fact belong - just asking.) |
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Dec-30-09
 | | Chessgames Bookie: <By the way <Bookie> there's something wrong with that list of qualifiers. <Barok Espinosa> is missing, and is it intentional that top 12 (rather than top 10) from last year's Ch'ship leg is in? (Of course you can't knock <ChessWriter> and <Micawbr> out even if they shouldn't in fact belong - just asking.)> You are right, OF COURSE Barok Espinosa should be in the list. Sorry Barok! Yes, you qualify. And the total # of qualificants is 37, not 36. About the "top 12", I just went to the Hall of Fame where it clearly says <Qualifying runners up...> and lists not 9 people like all other legs, but 11. I haven't the foggiest idea why, unless it's simply a typographical error which went unnoticed for a year. I would have to go back to kibitzing during that time to see if there was some particular reason for giving them qualifying status e.g. if some bet at the very end was in error we may have magnanimously allowed them to qualify to give them the benefit of the doubt. I don't recall any such incident, but no matter what the explanation is, it would be heartless to kick them out at this point. |
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Dec-30-09
 | | Chessgames Bookie: <<Chessgames Bookie> Could you please clarify exactly how a winning ticket's payout is calculated? I thought it was simply <wager + (loser pool * 0.95 * wager / ticket's pool / number of winning lines)>, minus any decimals, but that doesn't always add up> That sounds perfect. The actual code doesn't look exactly like that but it is effectively what happens. I make a living from these two glorious lines of Perl code: my $juice = int(($pool-$winpool)/20);
givetobookie($juice);
Note that "$pool-$winpool" is another way of saying "loser pool" and /20 is another way of saying *0.95. Perhaps the best thing to do is to make two examples, one of them a very simple "A vs B" game which ends up being a draw, and we'll show how the pools get handled. Then we can make a more complicated "Who wins the tournament?" bet with 6 players, 3 of whom tied for 1st place, to show how that one works. These two examples could be added to the rules for people who really want to get intimate with the mathematics. |
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Dec-30-09
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <Bookie> Thanks, but is the money we get to bury our teeth in a) loser pool * 0.95
b) int(loser pool * 0.95)
c) loser pool - int(loser pool/20) (that is, loser pool minus juice)? I'm guessing c) to explain why I sometimes get 1 chessbuck more than my calculations indicate. |
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| Dec-30-09 | | malthrope: <Chessgames Bookie: <malthrope: <What I told you was with absolute certainty. I'd stake my life on what I told you was true. You're not dealing with an ordinary memory in my case...>> Well sir, if you put it that way, I will implicitly take your word on this.> Well thanks <ChessBookie> :) I simply knew the final bet was $300 and that three reference points (in total) were used to form this conclusion (stored image of the bet, stored fact in memory and lastly I'd several thought processes regarding the final bet total being $300 and the merits of it plus or minus). Three points of memory reference with me means it's an absolute certainty <"unless"> it's due time to invoke Holmesesque principles to discover the ultimate truth! ~lol~ ;) <Our logfile investigation yielded two interesting things. One, that you did indeed buy it in two stages (100 plus 200), but also something entirely unexpected: that the number was, oddly, written into the logfile as "0100" and not simply "100", likewise your next bet was "0200" and not just "200"> Yes exactly and now that I think about it my bet was initially $100 and $200 was tacked on later. My mind was simply fixated only on the bet total being $300 as the main point of contention. As per my usual MO which is to bet $10 or $100 first and only then make additions to it... When I'm using <ChessBookie> the BET text box will always pop-up a <zero> as the first integer appearing on the screen. Sometimes I'll add to it (010 or 0100) and other times delete it (the <zero>) first then post numerically (10 or 100). It appears to be a totally random choice on my part which way I'll go with it! ~lol~ ;) <Of course the leading-zero issue should make absolutely no difference, and if you want to write "5 chessbucks" as "0005" you should be welcomed to. However, our programmer is scratching his head trying to figure out why those leading zeros weren't snipped off long before they hit the logfile, like they should have. This might be a clue as to what was so different about this one transaction which never manifested before.We'll be doing some testing in the next few days before the Championship Leg begins. Thanks for your help.> Well <ChessBookie>, I'm glad the problem was finally uncovered... :) All I knew was that my refund (from the canceled game Russian Women's Championship: Rd 8: Pogonina vs Stepovaia bet) was $100 short and I thought you should know about it! :D Good Luck with your testing procedures...
And, "Happy New Year!" :^)
My Best, - Mal
PS: <SwitchingQuylthulg: <malthrope> Sorry for doubting your memory ;-))> No problem <Switch> :) Your story about <"a species of very intelligent salamander-like creatures that invented blindfold chess but went extinct millions of years ago"> and <"technical draw - managing to convince 98 per cent of US population that Apollo splashdowns had to be faked after the astronauts discovered the Moon was made of cheese"> was a classic! :)) PPS: <Chessgames Bookie: however, those who didn't qualify shouldn't give up hope, because historically there have always been cases of very lucky people who started with 1,000 and still had a respectable finish. (At least one of them is in the following list.)> Twice actually. ;)
In the Winter Championship leg of 2008 <technical draw> was the very first to prove it was possible by placing 3rd! :) Then in the Winter Championship leg of 2009 <DCP23> was the second to overcome this handicap by placing 8th. He immediately proclaimed himself - the People's Champion! :) References: ChessBookie Hall of Fame - http://www.chessgames.com/chessbook... - http://www.chessgames.com/chessbook... - last, but not least -- my infallible memory! ~lol~ One more... Yes, positively we must keep <ChessWriter> and <Micawbr> in the forthcoming Winter Championship contest of 2010! :)) |
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| Dec-30-09 | | malthrope: Hehehe... After a little checking as I was only familiar with the kibitzing and chit-chat here on <ChessBookie>'s forum from 2 years ago but not the actual stats of 3 years ago discovered the following... It appears that in the 1st Winter <ChessBookie> Championship leg of 2007 that six members all starting with $1,000 made it into the 'Top Ten' that year (unless my eye to monitor screen coordination has played tricks on me again!). The six were: <hairmajorchair>, <Andoy>, <kellmano>, <Bob726>, <Shajmaty> and <ronaldducalang>. However, after that it has only occurred twice (once each in 2008 and 2009) as previously explained with <technical draw> & <DCP23> respectively. No one starting with only $1,000 c-bucks has ever won the Winter <ChessBookie> Championship title yet! ;) Could <YOU> be the first? :P - Mal
PS: References: ChessBookie Hall of Fame and http://www.chessgames.com/chessbook... |
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| Jan-01-10 | | notyetagm: <BOOKIE> Can we please bet on the upcoming <2009 World Team Championship> which starts Jan 4? Thanks
http://wtcc2009.tsf.org.tr/ |
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Jan-02-10
 | | Chessgames Bookie: <SwitchingQuylthulg: loser pool - int(loser pool/20) (that is, loser pool minus juice)? I'm guessing c) to explain why I sometimes get 1 chessbuck more than my calculations indicate.> I think you found it. Ironically my own juice is rounded down; i.e. NOT in my favor. Virtually all other roundoff computations work in my favor, but that one does not. |
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Jan-02-10
 | | Chessgames Bookie: ♔ THE CHAMPIONSHIP LEG HAS BEGUN ♔
The 37 lucky qualificants all have 10,000 chessbucks in their account, and everybody else has the normal 1,000 chessbucks. GOOD LUCK! |
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Jan-02-10
 | | martin moller: Hello Chess bookie : I have just placed 25 bucks on what i tought was
Aserbajan, BUT by some kind of accident the tabel shows that i wager on armenia. When i first took a look there was ONLY Aserbajan AND Brazil |
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Jan-02-10
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