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Sep-17-07
 | | WannaBe: I lost over 1100 chessbucks yesterday, had Anand, and all the stupid combination with Anand in the Daily Double. Needless to say, I went to the loan shark today to beg for some chess bucks. =( |
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| Sep-17-07 | | malthrope: <TIMER: <malthrope> I reached over 27000 once (starting from 1000) going for broke each day borrowing as much as possible as you suggest, and then lost it all trying to reach 30 to 40 thousand! [...]> Exactly <TIMER>! :-) I was keeping track of you and noticed the temporary drop in c-bucks cash flow... ;-) This is my last attempt to qualify before the finals. So, my main goal is to reach the top ten here (Priority #1). After that and having now achieved it was to first reach 2.5K (get to the $1000 c-bucks betting level). Then naturally next will be reaching 5K level ($2,500 c-bucks), 7.5K ($5,000 c-bucks), then finally 10K (now at the top betting level of $10,000 c-bucks per shot!). From there it's all posturing! ~ROFL~ Having mega c-bucks is everything (having loads of it gives ultimate options). What I've learned from all my previous attempts is first and foremost that good 'money management' is essential (since you can always get lucky a few times but never lucky all the time). It's hard to keep on a budget but I believe it's necessary and await your best betting chances & odds and then and only then - Pounce! ~lol~ I took a chance in Rd#4 and survived it. Now just by following my preset strategy and see if qualification is in the cards for me this leg. I see a lot of us doing really well and it's going to be a lot of fun! Lastly, you did really well in the previous CG Bookie Championship Winter leg against the members with their 10K buckets of gold in c-bucks all pitted against you. The odds against you winning (besides being astronomical) would have been a great bet. Certainly I would have bet BIG on you! ~lol~ :-))) <percyblakeney: I'm tired of trying to make sensible bets and went for Grischuk, Leko and Svidler to win in round 5. If I get one of those right I'll be surprised.> Yep sometimes you just have to play your best hunch or gut feeling... It's hard taking the safe road at times betting $xxxx c-bucks to gain only $xx in return. The bad side effect when you're betting thousands of c-bucks for draws with no good counter bets to make you then stand the chance to lose a lot if a draw does not end up being the official result. Besides, it's fun to take 'risk' once in awhile... ;-) I find it highly stimulating and if I lose, of course, then it was just plain stupid! ~lol~ As I too will bet on Svidler at 11:1 odds it's worth the risk to place a bet there. I probably won't bet all that much in this round overall. Instead I'll await my chances when the 'Pick 3' and the 'Pick 4s' return or the 'Daily Double' as these allow for multiple betting options with fantastic complications (odds vs. risk and all counter betting measures fully ready and able to be put into play). Thanks again <WannaBe> for another great recap of the upcoming Rd #5... I've learned to filter out fast and now think that I can recite by memory all the major rapid, blitz and blindfold events! Also, I tend to agree with you concerning any serious handicapping for the 'longest and shortest' games. Best to just pick one or two and bet on those solely based on your hunches (watching the progress of the players, the number of points they have and their unique situation in the tournament each one has at present). Finally, the odds factor (what's looks to be in your favor?). At least that's what I'll be doing (it's too risky and variable a bet to take a big chance unless some definite conclusions can be drawn). For example can you imagine the complexity on betting for the 'shortest game' each round in the recent 60th Russian Championship (Higher League)? I thought so - a bloody nightmare! ~lol~ |
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| Sep-17-07 | | malthrope: PS: Hang in there <WannaBe> as I was on the opposite side of that Daily Double yesterday. When Vishy didn't win his game vs. Moro - I saw 4K just fly right past me and directly back into CG Bookies pot of c-bucks gold! |
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| Sep-17-07 | | chessaddcit14: what happens if u dont pay back the loanshark and run out of money? |
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| Sep-17-07 | | Kneesocks: Oh my God!!!! <SeeSee>, what happened to you? |
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| Sep-17-07 | | SeeSee: Oh, <Kneesocks>, my love, the <<Chessgames Loanshark>> broke one of my legs, because I wed him $800. Now I'm worried about my bets for tormorow's round. Luckily, I have a saving grace--I'll make a fortune on this bet, one concerning the whole tournament. |
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| Sep-17-07 | | Kneesocks: And what was that bet? |
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| Sep-17-07 | | SeeSee: I'm betting all the money I owe, and all I've borrowed from Loanshark, that Svidler is going to win the whole World Championship Tournament. God, I'm a genius! |
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| Sep-17-07 | | Blako: Me am hoping you am have all your affairs in order. |
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| Sep-17-07 | | malthrope: <chessaddcit14: what happens if u dont pay back the loanshark and run out of money?> <chessaddcit14> don't believe for one second all the 'razz' that is written and that will be written here! ~lol~ The correct answer you seek can be found by reading the fine print on - ChessBookie Game Help Page - where you'll find this... ______________________________________
How do I use the Loanshark?
The Loanshark is your guarantee that you can always play the game. No matter how poorly you are doing, you can always go to the loanshark to get another 100 chessbucks. He might not give you a loan every day, but sooner or later he will extend credit again regardless of how much you owe him. (This way, everybody who enjoys the Bookie Game can continue to play, even if they go broke.)
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Deep down inside of CG.com ultimate wisdom the Loanshark has a heart filled with c-bucks gold! ;-) Regards, - Mal |
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Sep-17-07
 | | WannaBe: Ever seen "Kill Bill" movies? That's what happens to ya when you don't pay your debt! The loan shark sends Uma after ya! Ever seen "Payback"? The loanshark sends Mel Gibson after ya. And that's after Mel spends the whole night drinking! |
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| Sep-17-07 | | malthrope: As you can clearly see <chessaddcit14> I rest my case! ~lol~ ;-) |
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Sep-18-07
 | | Sneaky: Funny, I just noticed that the chessbookie bettors have decided that in round 5, Leko-Kramnik is most likely to be the longest game ... and also most likely to be the shortest game!! |
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| Sep-18-07 | | malthrope: Interesting <Sneaky> as it was my 2nd choice bet for 'shortest game' and I didn't bet on it at all for 'longest game.' Let's see if it wins in either category. Otherwise known as the 'long & short' of it... ;-) |
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| Sep-18-07 | | pawnofdoom: Amazing. Right now the Kramnik-Leko game is winning both Mexico WCC: Rd 5: Shortest game and Mexico WCC: Rd 5: Longest game. Weird |
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Sep-18-07
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <Sneaky, pawnofdoom> Actually, it's understandable. There is a very good reason for both expectations: 1) There is a lot of mutual respect between Kramnik and Leko. Neither Kramnik or Leko will expect the opponent to blunder but rather for the game to end peacefully like so many times before - "Vladimir Kramnik beat Peter Leko 14 to 8, with 60 draws" - especially since the slight favourite Kramnik is in command of the dark-coloured army. So early draw to save energy for future would not be a surprise. 2) If you look at the games played so far in this tournament you will find out these two guys have played pretty long games so far: Leko 214 moves - Kramnik 173 moves -> average length 48 moves Anand 189 moves - Svidler 127 moves -> avg. length 39 moves Gelfand 169 moves - Aronian 142 moves -> avg. length 39 moves Grischuk 138 moves - Moro 150 moves -> average length 36 moves Of course, Leko's 100-move gigantic battle against Gelfand is the main reason for his high average game length so far. |
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Sep-18-07
 | | WannaBe: ♔ !!Handi-Capper's Corner!! ♔
Round 6:
Kramnik-Gelfand: Kramnik leads it +13 -5 =35 against Gelfand. (This is counting all games, too many to filter out the rapid/blindfold), when Kramnik have white, he is +9 -0 =18! Morozevich-Leko: Morozevich is +3 -4 =11 against Leko. (Discounting rapid/blindfolds). When Morozevich have white, he is +2 -0 =4 against Leko. Anand-Grischuk: Anand is +1 -0 =3 (Discounting rapid/blindfold/blitz games). When Anand have white, he is +1 -0 =1 against Grischuk. Svidler-Aronian: Svidler is +2 (both time with black) -1 =8 (Discounting rapid/blindfolds). When Svidler have white, he is +0 -0 =3 against Aronian. |
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Sep-18-07
 | | Chessgames Bookie: <chessaddcit14> If you don't pay back the loan shark you will not be eligible to win the fall leg, or to place in the top ten, which are rewarded by an allotment of 10,000 chessbucks to start this winter's championship leg. |
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| Sep-18-07 | | malthrope: <Chessgames Bookie: <chessaddcit14> If you don't pay back the loan shark you will not be eligible to win the fall leg, or to place in the top ten, which are rewarded by an allotment of 10,000 chessbucks to start this winter's championship leg.> CG Bookie - well I'm sure glad that's all cleared up! :-) However, if your 'Net Worth' was enough to either: 1) Win the current leg, or 2) Winning one of the top ten spots. Then the direct query - 'Why wouldn't you pay back the Loanshark?' - begs to be asked! ~lol~ At least we know the slate is always wiped clean with each seasonal betting leg (we are not penalized for previous legs in the past only the current one in progress). ;-) |
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| Sep-18-07 | | percyblakeney: Luckily the big bet was on Grischuk :-) |
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| Sep-18-07 | | dabearsrock1010: i need more money from loan shark chessgames bookie why is he being so difficult i said ill pay the man back |
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Sep-18-07
 | | Chessgames Bookie: Just to clarify about the Loanshark debts:
At the end of each leg, all debts are automatically paid back (as much as possible), and all outstanding winning tickets will be paid off, and therefore the "final net worth" of each player can be computed. The top 10 net worth qualify for the Championship Leg, along with players who qualified from other legs, along with the 9-runner ups from last year's championship (who automatically qualify). If you end up with a net deficit for an entire leg (e.g. you end up a loser) then this debt does NOT carry over to the next leg. Think of it like successive games of chess: no matter how bad you got hammered last game, you start a new game on an even level. |
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| Sep-18-07 | | malthrope: <Chessgames Bookie: Just to clarify about the Loanshark debts: [...]> Thanks <CG Bookie> that should clarify it to the max! There is nothing like a 'fresh rack' and a new game of chess! :-) <percyblakeney: Luckily the big bet was on Grischuk :-)> That's great <percyblakeney> I had a feeling one of those 3 bets was gonna pay off for you! Grischuk proved to be a star and tomorrow a superb match-up vs. Anand (the WCC tourney leader) will be top billing. Clearly, it's the game of the round and 'Kramnik-Gelfand' should be a fantastic battle too! I was lucky too nudging my bets to favor both Anand and Gelfand... Having 3 decisive games made my major pick of '1 draw' pay off nicely as well. Also got a small bet in for 'Gelfand-Aronian' to pay off as my major pick for the longest game. My secondary bet 'Leko-Kramnik' for the shortest game (mentioned previously) paid for my two bets in that category (didn't win anything but didn't lose anything either). Anyway 'Phase II' is now completed and I'm just under 6K 'Net Worth' when the Leaderboard tabulations come in early tomorrow... Well how did everyone else do? I do hope we all had some CG betting success to brag about! ;-) - Mal |
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| Sep-19-07 | | TIMER: <malthrope> I won some bets too, but lost out due to being much more conservative than you this time! (I predicted Gelfand win, Kramnik draw, Gelfand's game longest.) If only I had gone all in this time (I had a hunch Anand would win too!)
Anyhow, I can't play much more the next month as have exams coming up, hopefully I have done enough to still be in the top ten by then? Then there will still be over a month left to possibly try to get the lead again... |
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| Sep-19-07 | | malthrope: <TIMER: <malthrope> [...] Anyhow, I can't play much more the next month as have exams coming up...> Right <TIMER> study up and get those exams aced. :-) I'm sure plenty of familiar faces will still be here when you're ready to continue. Already I see a few new faces and note a few that have dropped down the Leaderboard. Up and down we go and where we stop nobody knows... Clearly the chess is my passion (the tension at the WCC in Mexico is becoming quite intense) and the betting is just a side hobby (to put into a word - 'fascinating!'). I have no bloody clue what I'm going to do in Rd. #6 yet. Since 'Pick 3' looks virtually impossible! ~lol~ Sleep on it me thinks and then see if a model can be constructed and plans formulated. ;-) - Mal |
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