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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <boz> - <Juvenal is really more like Celine, anyway.>
Um, Journey to the End of Night? Or C. Dion? No, let me guess. Did Juvenal produce juvenalia? |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <noctiferus> - <May I suggest that, in future games, EVERYBODY posted the whole proposed line, starting from the current position? It would save some effort in reconstructing the whole line, and a lot of misunderstandings.> Thanks, and I totally agree. And many of your own contributions were very important. But persuading people to cite whole lines is really hard. Several people, including me, asked people to do it. Some did, but it never became standard. In fact, that was one reason for the forums - simply to clarify which line was being discussed. Dedicated forum hosts - Ohio really stands out here - tried to track down and re-post all relevant analysis of the line under discussion. Sometimes they were very hard to find, precisely because of this problem. In future games, yes, we should try to make it clear from the start. But I'm not going to play in the Shulman challenge game -- I need a break from all this. The Arno rematch, later, hopefully. I said during the game that I'd love to play a real match with him -- and see what it's like when both sides already know what standard to expect. |
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Jan-11-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> - <He thought he saw a Argument
That proved he was the Pope>
Funny, I was going to quote this yesterday, albeit a different stanza: the one about haddocks. Or was it herrings?
'a Argument'? Shouldn't it be 'a hargument'?
Or even a Humument...
I'm getting silly. I think, in Mr Dylan's words, it's time to get back to from where I came. As in bed. G'night, Victor Ludorum. G'night, all. Sweet dreams of tumbling grandmasters and grandmistresses... |
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Jan-11-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> Do you know Rufus and Martha personally? I think their music is sublime. Kate and Anna (their mom and aunt) are great too and, of course, Loudon is funny as heck and I had the good fortune to see him in concert as well. He is a great live preformer. Interesting cross current, post-wise as well: I'm sure you're aware of <John Cale's> fantastic rendition of <Leonard Cohen's> immortal <Hallelujah>. Rufus has also recorded a version of this song, employing the same phrasing and tempo as does Cale. Rufus' version is available on Limewire and other file sharing programs i'm sure. That's where I found it. "I remember when I moved in you, and the Holy Dove, was moving too, and every breath we drew was Hallelujah" Now that's a <God song> that sends chills up the spine. Mine anyway. Have a great sleep, <Dominator> Yer longwinded pal Jess |
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Jan-11-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> How do you come to know so much about Canadian culture? Most people don't even know where Canada is on a map. There's only around 30 million of us huddled right next to the American border. A few fanatics live in the rest of the second largest state on the planet. eh?
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| Jan-11-07 | | Eyal: <But next week's tournament is literally across the street, so I have no excuse.> Well, I'm dedicating my 1000th kibitz on cg.com to wishing you good luck! <the one about haddocks. Or was it herrings> I think you're mixing up the animals. It begins with an Elephant: He thought he saw an Elephant,
That practised on a fife:
He looked again, and found it was
A letter from his wife.
'At length I realise,' he said,
The bitterness of Life!'
And it goes on with a Buffalo (upon the chimney-piece), a Rattlesnake (that questioned him in Greek), a Hippopotamus ("If this should stay to dine," he said,/"There won't be much for us!"), a Kangaroo (that worked a coffee-mill), a Bear without a head, an Albatross - and the Pope. |
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| Jan-12-07 | | twinlark: Dom, you've made my day. You amaze me. Awesome anagram...how serendipitous is that? |
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Jan-12-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> I think Carroll wrote two similar versions -- the other one, parodying perhaps Wordsworth's Leech Gatherer, has the narrator "roughly" questioning an "aged man" - "come, tell me how you live!" <He said, I hunt for haddocks eyes...> OK, not quite the same verse. But a sibling. I'll check them both out. |
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| Jan-12-07 | | Eyal: <the other one, parodying perhaps Wordsworth's Leech Gatherer> Ah, so that's the White Knight's song from "Through the Looking-Glass", not The Mad Gardener's Song (with the "transformations" motif) from "Sylvie and Brunoe"! They are completely different propositions. The song's name is called Haddocks' Eyes
The song's name really is The Aged Aged Man
The song is called Ways and Means
The song really is A-sitting On a Gate
I'll tell thee everything I can:
There's little to relate.
I saw an aged aged man,
A-sitting on a gate.
"Who are you, aged man?" I said,
"And how is it you live?"
And his answer trickled through my head,
Like water through a sieve.
[...]
He said "I hunt for haddocks' eyes
Among the heather bright,
And work them into waistcoat-buttons
In the silent night.
And these I do not sell for gold
Or coin of silvery shine,
But for a copper halfpenny,
And that will purchase nine."
[...]
And now, if e'er by chance I put
My fingers into glue,
Or madly squeeze a right-hand foot
Into a left-hand shoe,
Or if I drop upon my toe
A very heavy weight,
I weep, for it reminds me so
<Here's emotion recollected in tranquility for you> Of that old man I used to know--
Whose look was mild, whose speech was slow
Whose hair was whiter than the snow,
Whose face was very like a crow,
With eyes, like cinders, all aglow,
Who seemed distracted with his woe,
Who rocked his body to and fro,
And muttered mumblingly and low,
As if his mouth were full of dough,
Who snorted like a buffalo--
That summer evening long ago,
A-sitting on a gate.
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Jan-12-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Most mysterious. I certainly haven't zapped anything of yours (sacred relics, each and every post!) - and I haven't any idea why Chessgames would reach in here and delete something. I try never to delete, except sometimes to correct an error I've made. And early in the Nickel game, when we were trying to get the forum system running, I removed extraneous posts to try to keep things orderly -- but that was months ago. Now, it's no zapping, no Iggy list. Let it come down. I'm sure a dedicated spammer could find a way of testing my patience, but it hasn't happened yet. So what terrible thing didya say, then? Go on, say it again... heh. |
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Jan-12-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Canadian culture? A couple of the people I included on my previous list of Great Canadians are good friends of mine, and I've met a few others. That helps. As for the extended Wainwright clan - no, I've never met any of them, or even had the chance to see them in concert, but I like their music. Hallelujah - Cohen and Cale versions - is among my favorite songs (I'm going to sound like a deranged fan-geek now, but bare with me... or even bear with me...) The last 3 or 4 times I saw Cale play (out of an obsessive total of maybe ten times, going back to 1981) it was his special encore song. Big audience favorite, too. I'm always having this argument with people who know only the Jeff Buckley version. Or one of the others - it's become almost a standard. I recently heard a radio show play a different version every day for two weeks. Cohen's original, on the album Various Positions, was good - but didn't quite exploit its potential. Cale rearranged it, with slightly different lyrics provided by Cohen. And Cale - with classical music training as well as the famous Velvet Underground stint - is brilliant at reworking songs. He also has an amazing slowed-down version of Heartbreak Hotel. He even deconstructed Beethoven's Ode to Joy and turned it into a piece named Damn Life. Essentially that's where the rearranged (now standard) Hallelujah comes from. I think its first outing was the Cohen tribute album I'm Your Fan, followed by Cale's live-in-Paris version on Fragments of a Rainy Season. Jeff Buckley brought it to a wider audience, and Rufus Wainwright and others added something extra -- but Cale's version is their template. "You say I took the name in vain/ I don't even know the name/ And if I did, well, really, what's it to ya?" Bliss. Must play it at once. Thanks. |
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| Jan-12-07 | | boz: <Domdaniel> <Journey to the End of Night? Or C. Dion> You mean they're not the same? Like Celine, Juvenal began to write in middle-age after he'd been around the block a few times. Saw Cale in the early 80s alone on stage with a piano. Remember how he banged out "Fear is a Man's Best Friend." The crowd - about a hundred packed into a tiny room - was in a frenzy. |
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Jan-12-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Eyal> You are right about everything, with the possible exception of the 'e' in 'Bruno'. I accept that <Aged Aged Man> and <He Thought He Saw> are quite different propositions. Although I still have a vague idea that Carroll had two versions of the latter. Hmm. All this variation analysis here makes me feel almost scholarly. A substitute for variation analysis in the Nickelodeon, presumably. <They can close the doors, but they can never demolish the memories...> - Really, sir? What a quaint idea... *[inserts electrode, adjusts dial, checks monitor]* ... now, you were telling us about your life as the 57th Franz Kafka? A hairdresser in Saskatchewan, wasn't it? Remember? <Ehh, no. Well, dimly. Something about perms and prairies? Or permafrost? It's coming back...> - Good. [trips switch] A diode in room 23 knows you are awake. [opens mic] January 12, 2007, Friday. We are rebuilding the individual. [click] |
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| Jan-12-07 | | Eyal: <<Jess> Most mysterious> Indeed. And even worse - as it was something ("rude") connected with the Pope, its disappearance left my Pope-related quote from Carroll unmotivated... <boz: Like Celine, Juvenal began to write in middle-age> I hope I don't sound too pedantic, But Celine was born in 1894, began writing in the late 1920s, and really launched his literary career with the publication of "Journey to the End of the Night" in 1932. Not QUITE middle-aged, though certainly no early-starter either. |
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Jan-12-07
 | | Domdaniel: I never delete, I told <Jess> about 20 minutes ago. Tempting Providence, opening the Karmic mechanism to poke at its workings... so then I had a spasm of stupidity and accidentally nuked my entire profile, complete with Nickel File and sundry quotes and links. Reminds me of the time I set fire to a hard drive with three-quarters of an unbacked-up novel on it. It's more release than tragedy, in a sense. Nothing like a fresh start. I remain,
Yours (in)sincerely... |
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| Jan-12-07 | | boz: <Domdaniel> <Not QUITE middle-aged> Fair enough, but he had been through a war, practiced medicine and been half-way around the world. Not a kid fresh out of finishing school. <I considered a new opening repertoire, then reasoned that would take a lot of work> It's not as hard as you might think. You'll find yourelf grasping ideas quicker, maybe forgetting variations but retaining central ideas because of your deeper understanding of them. I've been working at a whole new repertoire for a year now. Imagine a Fischer era e4-addict swithching to 1.d4. It's intoxicating! I sit there looking at my pawn on d4 in sheer wonder. Of course I got thrashed a few times <get the stink of death in your boots and your chaps and your spurs> but then it happened. I won. It felt good. It felt good to be winning in strange new ways. Plus I could put my losses down to experience. What's more, you don't lose the old stuff -the accumulated knowledge- Those are your auxilliary weapons now. Imagine the feeling of sitting down at the board with a choice. You examine your mood, your opponent and decide that today it's going to be different. I used to follow a narrow path in chess, always trying to steer the game into my kind of position. Now every position is my kind of position. If I could just learn to play endgames... Have you ever wished you could reinvent yourself? Go to some unknown city where no one knows your name? Change your name even, kill off the old guy - shed your skin - emerge gleaming. But you're not dead. On the inside, it's still you peering out in fascination. On the other hand, I've read "The Maltese Falcon" and know what really happens. But I'm off topic. I've been meaning to ask you <Domdaniel> - what in the world is Beefheart (yeah, the beef of my heart) talking about in "Sue Egypt?" Because you see I've been wondering about "all of those people who write on my bones.." |
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| Jan-12-07 | | Eyal: <Reminds me of the time I set fire to a hard drive with three-quarters of an unbacked-up novel on it.> <OK, folks, it's time to start a new religion [...] How about this: the deliberate destruction of a chess engine, except in case of upgrade (please provide serial number and proof of purchase), shall be regarded as murder. <Other types of computer are fair game.>> So, now I understand. I was wondering about this last article of faith. |
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| Jan-12-07 | | boz: Sorry <Eyal> I meant to address the comments on Celine to you. And I appreciate the information. Not pedantic at all. |
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| Jan-12-07 | | chesstoplay: Hi Dom,
I'm very sorry for the loss of your profile.
I've really enjoy reading everything you write or kibitz about. I was a district sales manager for Simon and Schuster for a decade --1990ish -- when they were the largest publisher in the world. I even enjoy reading your most far reaching literary stretches! Here's why I reeeally wrote to you today.
I cannot play in the Shulman game. Conflict of interest... You impressed Yury with your thoughtfulness in your questions and writing style. You showed great passion and heart for your game, the team's game. Though you have said that you will not play in the Shulman game, I hope you will reconsider. The R e4 line was one of those interesting points in the game among many. I think it interesting that Arno was as aware of R f1-f2 as we were. A pivot time with tied voting 206 to 206 with a minute or so to go. I remember posting several times that Arno Nickel was still playing for a win when others had already moved on to suspecting a draw. I also remember posting a couple of times that if anything -- as time went -- that Arno was looking for a fighting draw. Now we have GMAN's own words saying exactly that.
I wish that I had become more active in the game earlier rather than being a lurker, but my wife's surgery brought our lives to standstill for a long time this fall. Dom... please reconsider.
You were a key organizer / player.
Would the world team have had the cohesiveness as a unit without you? RV, Thorsson, Rookfile, Artar1 and 20 to 30 others were critical to the game as engine technicians or analysts along with the 400 or so of us that voted for the moves, but you were the voice of reason that everyone would ultimately respect. Even if you are in the Shulman game as a sideline referee, with only limited time available to your game effort, your standing in our chessgames.com chess community would add to the team. Maybe... just be along for the ride this time and don't do any engine work. But please, think about being on the team.
Thanks for letting me go on and on about this.
Your friend in chess,
chesstoplay
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| Jan-12-07 | | Eyal: <I had a spasm of stupidity and accidentally nuked my entire profile, complete with Nickel File and sundry quotes and links.> Come to think of it, wasn't that acting in the true spirit of "I used to be someone else, but I traded him in"? |
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| Jan-12-07 | | Eyal: <Proverbs for paranoids: you hide, They seek.> My favourite was always "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers". One of Kafka's aphorisms is "He who seeks does not find, but he who does not seek will be found" (quite Kierkegaardian, really). |
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| Jan-12-07 | | boz: <Eyal> "Never answer questions. Give the answers to questions you would have wanted them to have asked." -- Robert McNamara, "The Fog of War" |
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Jan-12-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> I'm sure it was <CG> who erased my post. It happened once before as well. They don't allow any <faux> or <disguised> version of the word that starts with the letter <F> and means sexual intercourse. The routine in question is <Billy Connelly's> satirical stand-up routine about the Pope, about how he rose through the ranks... <Then, I became assistant Pope> Which concludes with an altercation between <Billy> as the Pope and some Pillock in a bar... Involving the <verboten> word... Glad you love <Cale> and the <Wainwright-McGarrigle complex> as much as I do... and that there is such a thing as a <sublime> "God song" as well as ironic kinds. Cheers, Jess |
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Jan-12-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Boz>
Ok so glad to hear your reference to <Errol Morris'> latest film. I'm a fanatic and have seen all of his films many times, (also a Philip Glass and Michael Nyman fanatic), and <fog of War> is an amazing deparature for him-- he doesn't use the indirect photographic technique of the <Interrotron>, he uses a direct shot of <McNamara's> face instead. The <Interrotron> was a perfect tool for interviewing the <Hawking> clan, due to their (British?) shyness and reserve... But <Morris> succeeded in laying <McNamara> bare-- a tortured man, a brilliant man, a complex man who clearly feels very, very guilty about his life-- unlike <Kissinger>... A very spooky film (get it? Spook-spy-CIA) ahhahahahahahah Also, loved your explication of why expanding opening repetoire is a good idea... <Boz> I haven't spoken to you in awhile, but I read your posts avidly. Thanks for all of them,
Cheers, luck and love to you, esteemed Kibbutzing collieague Jess |
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Jan-12-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Re <Celine> and <Journey> Read it three years ago and it blew me away. Savage, savage sarcasm, yet ringing all too true. A dystopian masterpiece of <Swiftian> proportion and accuracy... <Celine Dion> is our national embarrassment. Please accept apologies from me and all the other Canadians who somehow let her out of her <Pandora's box> in frosty rural Quebec. Jess |
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