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| Feb-18-07 | | laskereshevsky: welcome back...
Admit I didnt 100% understand all the impeached posts, reasons of your problem with CG. U know, my (insufficent) english knowledge dont allow me to catch all the jokes, play on words, "double sense" etc..... But u look me like a "free spirit"...
( the "worst" thing, for this conformist world....). I will enjoy your future posts about cinema, culture, and why not, CHESS too..... |
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Feb-18-07
 | | Domdaniel: *[aged bibliophile coughs consumptively and continues his Narration...]* The clipping came from an unknown newspaper, in Danish, many years old. Some references, on the reverse side, to the Situation in Greenland might aid a scholar of that ice-bound isle, but meant little to me. I turned my attention to the game. It was an English Opening, played between V.Salonen (Hvid) and A.Visa (Sort), in a "Holdkamp i Tammerfors (Finland)", 27 May 1945. 1.c4 Nf6
2.Nc3 e6
3.g3 d5
4.cxd5 exd5
5.d4 c6
6.Bg2 Bd6
7.Nf3 Bf5
A position known to Theory. Black usually castles here, but the plan he chooses is not actually bad. 8.O-O Qc8
9.Bg5 Nbd7
As the unknown annotator points out, 9...Ne4! was essential here. 10.Rac1 a6
11.Ne5 Qb8
12.Nxd7 Nxd7
13.e4!
Hvid - that is, White - breaks open the centre, forcing Black to castle into a position where his defences are inadequate. 13... dxe4
14.Nxe4 O-O
15.Rfe1 Rfe8
16.a3 Bc7
17.d5! cxd5
18.Qxd5 Be6
19.Qd2 f6
20.Nxf6! gxf6
21.Rxe6! Rxe6
22.Qxd7!?
[22.Bd5 is also worth considering.]
22 ... Rd6?
[Losing to a tactical stroke. 22...Qe8 was vital to prolong the game.] 23.Bd5+ Kh8
24.Qxd6 Bxd6
25.Bxf6#
click for larger view"Ren Mat"
[*drops aged bibliophile pose*]
I've found about five people named Salonen in various databases, but all after 1970. I don't know who these players were, or why they were in a 'holdkamp' in Finland in 1945. The game is in no database I've checked -- it's entirely possible that it hasn't seen the light of day in 50 years. Does anyone know anything? I should rephrase that, this being such a sardonic, ironic sorta place? Does anyone know anything more about the players or the game? And who left this aged bibliophile in my room? |
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Feb-18-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: 14...o-o
Black can't play Bxe4 here cuz then Re1 pins the Bishop which cannot be defended? (asking questions as I play through- My Mom is a Finn!!!) |
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Feb-18-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: ooooooooh what a lovely mate!! After multiple sacrifices including the Queenie!! Very aggressive and inventive game by white.
Dom, why not publish the game? Contact Helsinki immediately, perhaps? Finns love their heros cuz we don't have that many... |
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Feb-18-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: PS thanks for posting correct notation, <Grand Vizier>! Heh... |
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Feb-18-07
| | Domdaniel: Further odds and ends... from <Chess in Prison Stories> ... Claude Bloodgood, American master and Grob expert, spent about 30 years in prison in Virginia for murder. He organized chess tournaments in jail, manipulating the results so that his USCF rating was 2nd highest in the lists. He also used a chess ruse to escape, but they got him back. During World War I a number of leading Grandmasters were impounded in a prison camp and played at least one tournament between themselves to pass the time. In Ireland during World War II, many members of the IRA, the illegal Irish Republican Army, were interned. Apparently some became strong chess players during their incarceration. Thirty years later I was told the tale of Irish champion Barney O'Sullivan, who started playing in this camp. When he got out he went to a chess club and asked a member for a game. Barney took White and opened 1.e4, his opponent replying with a Sicilian, 1...c5 There was a long tense pause. Eventually Barney reached out and returned the man's pawn to c7. His opponent tried the Sicilian again, and again Barney replaced the pawn. A little nervous now -- Barney might be a dangerous man -- the opponent asked him what he was doing. "You played an illegal move" replied Barney helpfully. It emerged that, in prison camp, *every* game had started 1.e4 e5, and he had been given the impression that it was compulsory. Once that little difficulty was cleared up, he began playing in international tournaments. |
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Feb-18-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: LOL and ROFL that's a cracking story!!
I'm afraid I'm with <Barney> on this one. Genius!! Vanquish the <Sicilian> through legislation! Certainly less violent than vanquishing the <Corsican> through HMRN... Rule, Britannia (except in Ireland), etc. etc.
I vote <Barney>. Though I'm not anti-Pom as we already went over-- In fact, didn't <Bobby Sands> get elected to the <British Parliament> while in prison? Now that's a cheery side to liberalism... Incarcerated people are not allowed to run for office in <Kanada>... |
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Feb-18-07
| | Domdaniel: <Jess> Yeah, this V. Salonen looks like quite a strong player. This was before the era of title norms etc -- and it was after several years of war -- so a master-strength player could have been forgotten, I suppose. I think Salonen is a fairly common surname in Finland. I have no idea who 'Visa' was either... unless his first name was Transit and he starred in Casablanca? |
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Feb-18-07
| | Domdaniel: <Jess> -- <Incarcerated people are not allowed to run for office in <Kanada>...> Really? They just got the right to vote here, not that very many are interested in using it. |
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Feb-18-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: LOL and "A. Visa" at that...
May I visit Ireland?
Nope, sorry lass, you'll need "A. Visa" for that, I'm afraid... Random notes from the <Vancouver telephone book>... While in High School, some mates and I in fact discovered that "A. Gorilla," "Geoff Zzzygzzygy," and "Don Zzzzzzzzzzra" were all noted citizens. We thought we had discovered "Porky Dog" as well, till we realized, amidst howls of laughter, that this man had legally changed his name to "Dog Porky" so that it would READ as "Porky Dog" in the phone book.... Ah fame...
Yes, Salonen a common Finnish name. Though that's hardly a "common" game you posted... |
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Feb-18-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: From the old Canadian Constitution (and the New one doesn't contravene this proscription)... "The incarcerated, the mentally infirm, and (as God is my witness) <lunatics> may not vote." |
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| Feb-18-07 | | laskereshevsky:
<During World War I a number of leading Grandmasters were impounded in a prison camp and played at least one tournament between themselves to pass the time.> Was in TRIBERG prision camp...between they: ALEKHINE, BOGOLJUBOV, ROMANOVSKIJ, SELEZNIEV, VAINSTEIN, FLAMBERG and RABINOVITCH... ALEKHINE was the more lucky, after a while he was released free and soggiorned for a lot in GENOVA, were several russians refugied in waiting for a boat to Russia. After a long trip around half europe he was able to go back home, and fight in the war..... Its reported he was beated by a german guard, cause he was an awesome man, and the daughter of the cop was too much "looking and smiling" to him.... |
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| Feb-18-07 | | Larsker: <I don't know who these players were, or why they were in a 'holdkamp' in Finland in 1945.> That must have been some sort of Finnish Gulag.
(Except that <holdkamp> is simply Danish for <team game>) |
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| Feb-18-07 | | laskereshevsky: They played a lot of tournaments...most them all were winned by BOGOLJUBOV |
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Feb-18-07
| | Domdaniel: <holdkamp> ... thank you, Larsker. I should've thought of that. I've seen a similar mistake made in German, with the word -- Beratende -- for 'allies' or 'consultation partners'. End of fantasy about holding-camp, then. |
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Feb-18-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <laskereshvsky> Where can I read about these prison camp games? You have a book title for me? |
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Feb-18-07
| | Domdaniel: Ye aged Bubbaphile has shot hisself in shame.
Innaresting case of 'faux amis' though. I knew that 'partie' is the normal Danish word for 'game'. But the date, 1945, and the fact that hold+camp go together in English, conspired to mislead me utterly... and in a language I pretend to know bits of, too. Small bits. Lille? Liten? |
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| Feb-18-07 | | laskereshevsky: Sorry <jess>, but at the moment dont remeber the source...I have same hundreds chess books...same of them i didnt read in the last 3/4 years.....I promisse when i re-catch it i will say to U. but i rem. anothr curiosity...BOGOLJUBOV meet his future wife when he was prisioner in the camp!!! She was the local school teacher, who same times went to the camp for humanitary volunteering betw. the prisioners!!!...After all BOGO too was a not bad looking man in his younghood.....:) |
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Feb-18-07
| | Domdaniel: <Laskereshevsky> Thanks, I recalled Bogolyubov in Triberg but I didn't know who the others were ... it was a pre-war tournament that was interrupted by war in 1914, wasn't it? Do you know if the games played between them in Triberg were published? My database has almost no games in Europe from this time -- but Alekhine played Grigoriev in Moscow, 1915, and there was a match in Berlin between Tarrasch and Mieses in 1916. |
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| Feb-18-07 | | laskereshevsky: no <dom> unfortunatly, as i know, no games was registered... in same sources its reported even that same tournaments were blind played for the absense of chess-boards!!.... About sheet-score no way in absolute. In a I mondial war german military camp, even the dayly ration of food was a kind of gift..... |
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| Feb-18-07 | | laskereshevsky: and the tourn. was in Mannheim, the 19° german chess congress |
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| Feb-18-07 | | laskereshevsky: after 11 rounds the tourn. was sospended...at the moment the pairing showed:
ALEKHINE 9 1/2
VIDMAR 8 1/2
SPIELMANN 8
BREYER,MARSHALL,RETI 7
JANOWSKY 6 1/2
BOGOLJUBOV,TARRASCH 5 1/2
etc.... |
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Feb-18-07
| | Domdaniel: Reason for that last mysterious deletion: it was all wrong, total krapp. And I've had enough of being totally and utterly wrong for one night. Think I'll shut up now. Hmm. Being naughty was much easier than being knowledgeable. Back to crypto. |
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| Feb-18-07 | | laskereshevsky: <.....I am a good boy now.........> U mean:...JHONNY BE GOOD!!!...?!?!
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Feb-18-07
| | Domdaniel: <Jess> - <"The incarcerated, the mentally infirm, and (as God is my witness) <lunatics> may not vote."> Is that in the population at large, or just among parliamentarians? |
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