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| May-22-09 | | MageOfMaple: <<YAWN!>>
Don't know him since age 15, and not prepaired to feel sorry for him. And who gives a crap? Do you or do you not feel that he should be allowed to continue to assume fake IDs, slander others, and promote a fradulent work that is both criminal and an insult to Fischer's memory on this site? Or do you think chessgames.com should put a stop to it? And is chessgames.com, where many victims of his harassment reside, really the place for the discussion of the nuances of his neurological desposition? |
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| May-23-09 | | PinnedPiece: Speaking of disorders, <GeauxCool>, what the heck is your avatar? Is it something I am totally uncool for not recognizing, or what? . |
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May-23-09
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| May-23-09 | | PinnedPiece: <GeauxCool> A suggestion for you: Clip corners from the crown of the head to the ring finger: http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/... . |
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| May-24-09 | | PinnedPiece: Does anyone know if there is a way to recover this cahed Google page to the "web archive" that I have seen some kibitzers link to? http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache... |
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| May-25-09 | | GeauxCool: <MageofMaple - who gives a crap> Easy, I'm not your enema. <robmtchl> thanks for posting the Encoded Blog link. Ed's code is just a triplicate codon that creates a direct substitution for alphanumerics, the hard part is finding the rule for spacers depending on vowels or consonants. I thought the Encoded Blog might have been a confessional about the book, which is why I decided to solve it. My hunch was right. http://encodedblog.blogspot.com/
<Can You Read This?
QZK ZKJ QKZ QVJ KQZ QKZ QVJ VJZ QZZ ZKJ JQV QZK VQQ JQV JKV VJZ ZQJ JKV ZKQ JKZ ZVZ ZQJ ZVZ VJZ JKQ ZQV JKZ JZQ KQZ JZJ JKZ QVJ QZK QKZ JKV JZQ VQQ QZZ QKZ ZQV ZQV VQQ ZQV JKZ JKZ ZVV VQQ ZQV QKZ ZVV ZQJ KZQ VJZ QKZ JQZ KQZ ZQQ JKZ QZJ VQQ ZKQ JQV JKV VQQ JQQ ZQJ JQV ZVZ KQZ QZK ZKJ QKZ QVJ KQZ QZK ZKJ ZQJ JKV VQQ ZQQ JKZ QZJ VQQ ZVV JKV JKZ QZZ VQQ ZQQ JKZ QZJ VQQ JQV JQQ ZQJ KQZ QZJ QVJ QKZ JKV JZQ VJZ QZK ZKJ ZQJ KQZ JZJ JQQ JKZ JZQ JQQ JQV ZKV VQQ JZJ JQQ JKZ JZJ ZQJ JQQ ZQV ZQQ VZK Can You Read This?
WHAT AN ENCODED BLOG OFTEN WILL LOOK LIKE. IF YOU CAN READ THIS THEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE USING THE PROGRAMS PROPERLY. - Xenobia <comment -
QKZ KQZ QZZ JQV QVJ VJZ JKZ JKV ZQV ZQQ VQQ JQV JKQ ZQV ZQJ VJZ QZK JKZ VJZ JQQ ZQJ JQV ZVZ KQZ QVJ JKZ ZKV ZQJ VQQ JKZ JQZ VQQ QZK ZKJ ZQJ VQQ QZK ZQJ QKQ QZK KZQcomment -
HEY, I CAN ONLY READ SOME OF THE TEXT!-webwaves
<JQV JKQ JKZ QZJ QZK KQZ QZK ZKJ ZQJ VJZ JKQ JKZ JKZ ZVV ZKV JQV JKV ZQQ KQZ JZJ ZQJ JKZ JZJ ZQV ZQJ VJZ ZKJ JQV QKJ ZQJ VQQ QVJ JQV QKZ ZVZ VJZ QZK ZKJ ZQJ VJZ JKQ JKZ JKZ ZVV KQZ QKZ QVJ VQQ JQZ JQV ZVV ZQJ VZK VQQ QKZ VQQ JQQ ZQJ JQV ZVZ VJZ QZK ZKJ ZQJ KQZ JQV JQQ QZK QKZ ZKQ ZQV ZQJ VQQ JKQ ZQQ ZQV JQV JQQ JQQ ZQQ VQQ ZQJ QKJ JQV JKV QVJ KQZ JQV JKV ZVZ KQZ QKZ VQQ QZZ JQV JKV QZK VQQ QZK JKZ VQQ ZVV JKV JKZ QZZ VQQ QZZ ZKJ JQV QZK KQZ JKZ QZK ZKJ ZQJ JQQ VJZ JZJ ZQJ JKZ JZJ ZQV ZQJ KQZ QZK ZKJ QKZ JKV ZVV VQQ JQV JKQ JKZ QZJ QZK VQQ QKZ QZK KZQ JZJ ZQJ JQQ QVJ JKZ JKV JQV ZQV ZQV ZQQ VQQ QKZ KQZ QZK ZKJ QKZ JKV ZVV VJZ QZK ZKJ ZQJ KQZ JKQ JKZ JKZ ZVV KQZ QVJ ZQJ ZQJ ZKV QVJ KQZ JQV QVJ KQZ JQQ ZQJ JQV ZQV VJZ JQV QVJ KQZ ZKQ JQV JKV KQZ JKQ ZQJ KZQ VJZ QZZ ZKJ JQV QZK VQQ ZVZ JKZ ZQJ JQV ZKQ ZKJ VQQ JKZ JQZ KQZ ZQQ JKZ QZJ KQZ QZK ZKJ QKZ JKV ZVV VZK <ABOUT THE BOOK
MANY PEOPLE HAVE SAID THE BOOK IS FAKE NOT REAL. THE ARTICLE BY LARRY EVANS, DANG! I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK ABOUT IT. PERSONALLY, I THINK THE BOOK SEEMS AS REAL AS CAN BE. WHAT DO EACH OF YOU PEOPLE THINK? - SanJoseFlorist> > > > > |
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| May-25-09 | | GeauxCool: The writing style of SanJoseFlorist matches with Bruce Towell. It also appears that webwaves was Bruce checking the program. As a location/career name, he followed the name of ChicagoBookDealer, which suggests that he was working very closely with Ed Trice. The user bookappraiser is the one who put up the veryrarebooks website, and the writing style there appears to be Ed's, but you all know that. The hands even gave it away: Dec 2008, veryrarebooks third photo down from the top:
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache... Here's a close up of Ed's hand taken from Jan 2009:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KQ8DMAfZC... Two things, the nail pattern and coloration is the same, and there is no hair on the back of the fingers. |
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| May-25-09 | | robmtchl: WOnder if Trice is going to be bidding on these? Wow... MY61MG is not included. ? LOL Sale 17109 - Fine Books and Manuscripts, 10 Jun 2009
New York
Back to catalogue
Lot No: 3372
FISCHER, ROBERT JAMES “BOBBY.” 1943-2008.
BOBBY FISCHER’S CHESS LIBRARY, INCLUDING NOTEBOOKS PREPARED FOR THE 1972 WORLD CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP.
Comprising:
1. Approximately 320 volumes on chess including a few match results, various places and languages (including many Soviet imprints), 1889-1992, mostly 8vo, original bindings. Includes about a dozen presentation copies, inscribed by the authors for Fischer and two typed letters signed laid in. At least three volumes bear Fischer’s ownership signature and at least two with other notation by Fischer.
2. Approximately 400 issues of chess-related periodicals, including runs of The Chess Player, Sahovski Informator, Overboard, Revista SAH, “Waxmatbl”, and “Magyar Sakkelet” among others, mostly 1960s-1980s, various sizes, original wrappers.
3. Nine personal floppy disks (unexamined).
4. Three sets of proofs for Fischer’s My 60 Memorable Games (published 1969), with the title in various stages (“My Memorable Games: 52 Tournament Games”, “My Life in Chess”) comprising a typescript with copious technical annotations, mostly printers notes, but also various changes to wording and corrections to the chess notation possibly made by Fischer, with a sketch of the title-page on drafting paper apparently in Fischer’s hand; a set of page proofs (loose, possibly in duplicate); and a partially annotated galley proof stamped June 1966.
5. Four volumes of bound typescript detailing the match history of Boris Spassky from the 1950s to 1971 (two vols as white, two as black), apparently prepared by “RGW” and with some manuscript commentary.
6. Fifteen volumes of ring- or string-bound manuscript notebooks with notation of the games of Mark Taimanov and Tigran Petrossian from the 1950s-1970, various hands.
Condition varies, generally a bit musty and a few volumes water-damaged but otherwise good or better. |
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| May-25-09 | | robmtchl: GeauxCool,
Great job of decoding the blog. In my mind and in my opinion this shows that Trice was involved in a very complex manipulation. |
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| May-25-09 | | Jim Bartle: Quite a stash there.
I wonder who RGW is, the person who prepared the Spassky material. |
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| May-25-09 | | robmtchl: Jim,
I think that is Robert G Wade.
Bio below from chessgames.com:
Robert Graham Wade was born on the 10th of April 1921 in Dunedin, New Zealand. Awarded the IM title in 1950 he was New Zealand Champion in 1943-44 (after a play-off), 1944-45 and 1947-48. Looking for greater chess opportunities he went to Europe around 1949 and settled in England. He won the British Championship in 1952 and 1970 and was very active in British chess, training young players and being in charge of the Batsford Chess Library in London. As an author, he wrote The Games of Bobby Fischer (containing virtually all of Fischer's games), Soviet Chess, The World Chess Championship, World championship interzonals: Leningrad and Petropolis 1973, Playing Chess, World Chess Championship 1951, and a number of long forgotten opening books and tournament bulletins. |
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| May-25-09 | | Jim Bartle: Thanks, Rob, and to Chancho earlier. |
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May-26-09
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<Ed Trice: I have found the chessvariants.org crowd to be comprised mostly of people who create variants more often than they shower. They just make variant after variant after variant with no real interest in play-testing their creations, nor in doing much more than seeing their name on the internet as having "invented something."> <Because I patented Gothic Chess, somehow that ruffled their feathers. I was interested in only one variant, which I tested very thoroughly before deciding to make boards & pieces, a software program that plays the game (see http://www.GothicChess.com/vortex.zip for a free version of it) and apply for the patent.> <<< <"Everyone and their brother"> >> <<<decided that patenting a chess game was a bunch of b.s., and instead of embracing a great game they decided to throw stones at it. Their removal of it is supposed to be some form of retribution.>>> <So be it. Gothic Chess existed before chessvariants.org, it will exist when they are gone.> Hoax book:
<<<I notified them that I would be leaving for Tunis. This agitated them even more than the initial withdrawal. <<<I was approached by everyone and their brother now>>>, so it seemed. I feigned disgust over this ordeal, but inwardly they fed my need for something I had not recognized inside myself. After causing the prior set of turbulence, the strange sense of euphoria that I would experience after a crushing victory became attached to me without any of the turmoil of the struggle. The "fuss" became a mild form of "high", but, at the time, I did not recognize what this 'process' was, nor did I even have a faint understanding of it.>>> <"So I let them buzz around me, doing my best not to betray my inner smirks, instead presenting them with deadpan expressions and nonchalent shakes of my head when I grew tired of saying "No." Recall previously I mentioned that I could not 'clear my head' --- well, now, this perpetual 'fawning' over me was almost therapeutic, and it actually made me feel relaxed and almost calm. The incessant static noise was gone, and it was as if a burden had been lifted.> |
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| May-26-09 | | MageOfMaple: Regarding Trice's explanation of chessvariants.org, a simple counter-example. There's a patented game on the site called Falcon Chess, by George William Duke. This game is frequently played there, and George Duke is a respected member and regular contributer to the CV pages. So the problem was Trice, not the patent. Although at least Duke's game is actually his invention. Trice's was blatently stolen from Capablanca. And taking Capablanca's game, patenting it, and then threatening to sue people for playing it is yet another example of the kind of person we are dealing with. |
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| May-26-09 | | PinnedPiece: <chancho> In addition, when everyone comes with their brother, expect nothing but a nuisance. Good find!
I have previously described your quoted passage as being written by a well-educated non-native speaker. I suppose this could also describe, however, the work of someone who has--through self-importance or whatever-- crossed beyond the boundary of their ability to write clear, cogent prose. . |
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| May-26-09 | | GeauxCool: <PP> It appeared to me that you were suggesting Justine or Miyoko had written the book (via dictation). Are you now suggesting that perhaps Bobby had written parts of it as well? I'm curious because you're the only one who supported IMlDay's misjudgment that Bobby wrote the book, using Ed Trice's poll to do so, or were these just more of your games: <Dude, there are about ten more challenges when you finish with these. Do a good job and as far as I'm concerned, you can call both IMlday *and me* naive fools. (Next post by) PinnedPiece: Activity continues on the "Is M61MG a Hoax" poll. http://poll.pollcode.com/jyhU
Result disparity continues to build.> |
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May-26-09
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Robert James Fischer
<Riverbeast:> <joshka> <Brady is also convinced 61MG is a hoax.> <When Trice first approached him>, <he wasn't sure....But Brady said he refused to help market the book, because he didn't think Fischer would want him to (Fischer and Brady had a falling out, mostly over Brady's own biography of Fischer).> <But now that all the evidence is in, he doesn't doubt it's fake.> Now this Ed Trice post:
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<Robert James Fischer> <Ed Trice: http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt...; <You will read:>
<EVANS ON FISCHER IN MARCH CHESS LIFE> <I was told that GM Larry Evans has cracked the mystery of who wrote Fischer's MY 61 MEMORABLE GAMES.> <Posted by: Larry Parr at January 18, 2008 10:23> <Also, on the same page, further down:> <Dr. Frank Brady -- interviewed this morning.> <http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20...; <<Brady says that one of Fischer's people approached>> <Brady about helping with "My 61 Memorable Games".> <There are many sources identifying and/or speculating about people from several different countries combining efforts regarding this book. Frank brady was contacted by someone in Iceland, Larry Parr has reason to believe Eugene Torre was involved as well, and Evans knows the definitive answer.> <Amazingly, some of you that post here that know far less claim to know more than all of them. This was far more complex than anyone has originally thought. But, to say there was no such book just seems very unlikely.> From the NY Times Jan 18, 2008:
<Frank Brady A: What’s odd is that he sort of sent word to me about two weeks ago.> <[ Dr. Brady explained that he had given a lecture at the Marshall Chess Club on West 10th Street in Manhattan, and a video of the lecture was posted on YouTube. In response,> <a friend of Mr. Fischer's called Dr. Brady and asked him if he would help Mr. Fischer with a project: reissuing and updating his book, "My 60 Memorable Games," to be called "My 61 Memorable Games."> ] <Frank Brady: This friend asked me if I would help, and I said that I don’t think that Bobby wants my help.> http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/20... |
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| May-26-09 | | hackmate: I wonder why Ed Labate is banned from posting here on chessgames.com Does anyone know why Ed Labate is banned?
Does anyone know what Ed Labate said to get banned? |
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| May-26-09 | | hackmate: MageOfMaple, are you the only person that thinks the 2 variants are the same? Why do they have 2 different boards and 2 different listings on chessvariants.org if they are the same? |
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| May-26-09 | | hackmate: RobMitchell, any luck on shutting down the Lunary Registry site where they sell land on the moon? |
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| May-26-09 | | hackmate: <Brady says that one of Fischer's people approached> One of Fischer's people?
<Frank brady was contacted by someone in Iceland> And your conclusion was Trice was one of Fischer's people from Iceland? Talk about B.S. |
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May-26-09
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| May-26-09 | | Jim Bartle: Trice is banned? Oh no, I thought he just went away on his own. |
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| May-26-09 | | PinnedPiece: <GeauxCool: I'm curious because you're the only one who supported IMlDay's misjudgment that Bobby wrote the book, using Ed Trice's poll to do so, or were these just more of your games:> You're top notch at fereting out information but that post shows some weaknesses as far as proper interpretation. My post about someone crossing the boundary of their skill level had <ET> in mind rather than <BF>. Suggestion that Watai took notes? How interesting. But not my idea. I have suggested that if Fischer needed an aide in the publishing venture, his wife would have done admirably-- no need to turn to a complete outsider, if that's what happened. My problem all along from the very first has been the gang of judge and jury insiders, accusing and castigating <Trice>...to me, all equivalent mentalities (j'accuse), so how to choose the right facts? The poll has always been, for me, a way to more accurately gauge popular sentiment. Prior to that, all I was getting was continual hysterical blasts from about six people on the Fischer page. My knowledge of 1) chess, 2) Fischer, 3)published chess literature, 4)annotation methods, 5) contents of the M61MG--are EACH ONE inferior to IMLday's. So until I can top him in any of those respects, I shall maintain respect of his judgement, though I continue to research. That is not true of all kibitzers here. I haven't received many good answers to the questions I posed, nor can I produce them....e.g. why would someone who was interested in promoting their own kind of chess spend ANY TIME AT ALL on an old work that has been reworked already? You must resort to statements like "<Ed Trice> is a con man, fool, and antisocial misfit" to make your answer work. Why wouldn't he do his own analysis--if he felt he could do that good a job with a computer and historical notes, e.g. fool Dan Heissman or whoever--and publish under your own name? Isn't that what an egomaniac would do? The apparent truth is, on the face of it, the evidence is still in favor of a project/association that splintered and went wrong, and in the end came totally apart. Games? Well, I'm not comparing fingernails. To each his own. . |
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May-26-09
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