As I warned the general populace originally while playing <Pinhead> for <TB>, as generous as your offer is to host such a poll, the polltaker stands to receive abuse one way or the other, and your page could become a minefield. On the other hand, (although you have razzed at me) I recognize that you are definitely one of our more highly respected members here and could possibly pull off a "fair" poll.

If I opened a forum, it would become nitro-political in a hurry, unfortunately. It would give off a brighter nuclear glow than an underground cavern in N. Korea.

Accusations. You cite the Dreyfus example. Much of the early beginnings of this affair had to be deleted by Chessgames.com. But people who were here, <Chancho> and myself included, know that it was Ed Trice who launched the first accusations against Edward Labate. This is what forced Mr.Labate to publish everything about M61 as an attempt to clear his good name. You once called this a 'Destroy Trice' page. It should objectively be called, 'The Labate Defense' page. Trice was the one who shot first. Just as you respect Emile Zola's letter to defend Alfred Dreyfus, so you must respect Edward Labate's right to defend Edward Labate. This incident in itself tells us that Fischer was not behind it. Suppose you knew Bobby was the author, then why accuse someone else of fabricating it? You wouldn't.

<IMlDay>'s analysis. Misjudged. One thing he states is that the writing is different from the writing of My60, but that such styles of writers may alter over the years. However, both you and I know that the writing style of Bobby didn't alter, because we've both looked at the moon.jpp Bobbby blog that contains his writings from about 2002-2006 something like that? The style is never altered, always direct and forceful. But if Bobby's style never altered, and it's altered in My61, then how can Bobby have written it? He didn't.

Here's another way to look at it. If your good friend Bobby Fischer invites you to join him on such a groundbreaking revolution in Chess history, then why would you jeopardize it by including Einar's stolen photos? We know that the book must not be written by Fischer because Trice valued the authentic Fischer photos over the phony analysis.

But how could one man have done all this? One man filled with the spirit of opportunity grows many hands. If you were in Iceland, where chess is broadcast 24 hours a day, then you would be in a veritable treasure trove of storytellers, annotators, and other resources to help you seek out information on Bobby. The possibilities are endless.

Question: Why would someone spend anytime at classical chess?? Ed's fixation wasn't on classical chess, it was on Bobby Fischer. Trice had developed this fixation during his time with Brainking and in his early days at Chessgames.com setting up gothichess matches against a fake Bobby Fischer, using Bobby's name for his own gain before his trip to Iceland was conceived. And what was he reading on his way there? A treasure hunting book.

Without using the word Conman?? We know that Trice was developing chess engines for gothiches. One way to test the engines is to have them analyze known positions from master games that have already been analyzed by Fritz in order to examine the deficiencies in the program before you add the gothi-matrices. So, in this explanation, Trice would have started out with My60Games already anno-Fritzed. But this doesn't have to be the case.

I don't know, it was just something that struck me when I was posting the break on the encoded blog. That site, and its evil twin, the veryrarebooks website were designed to recruit booksellers to buy the M61 book. The encoded blog's purpose was to answer all questions about the book, while the veryrare books site was used as a shining example of one bookseller who owned many copies that were selling for hundreds of dollars a piece. Veryrarebooks helped close the sale. Bruce appeared to help set up both of the blogs, so maybe they are his fingers holding the book open...

Anyway, it's written in the encoded blog that the book seems real as can be. This is in November. Common sense tells me that Bruce's motivation to sell these books was to make a return on his investment, that perhaps he had a whole box of 9 or 14 books and was prepared to sell more. Even the encoded statement itself suggests that he owned a copy before admitting it on Chessgames. Why do that? What was his purpose? In my opinion, it suggests that he was a silent partner from the beginning. This all reminds me of a past comment of Bruce's that may also hint at his active role:

"Poor Bobby! I can only imagine how he must feel right now." - Seller to Evans Dec 17, 2007

"Poor Bobby, just never seems to do anything the right way." - Bruce Towell Dec 22, 2007 before Seller's statement was published.

- (of <Ed Trice>'s pea)

3GMs vs 1 IM= GM's opinions are better.

<Einar Einarsson: Ed Trice approached me Nov 8 2007 and asked “for some recent photos of Fischer with some other things that nobody else is aware of since he has been in Iceland”>

<Ed Trice: What a bunch of crap! I was in Iceland on November 8 and I never met Einer!>

<What about the back cover of the book, with Fischer walking away down the lone path? That picture was not published until one year after his death and that book had already been out for 13 months already.>

Actually the photo appeared <two months> after Fischer's death and this according to <Joshka's> post:

Mar-19-08
Robert James Fischer

http://labatechess.com/cart/index.p...

<sharro> IM Day said that he connected thru <Joshka>. He was sent a PDF order form and I guess after filling it, he was sent the book.

I find the post below to be quite telling:

<Jan-30-09>
<Robert James Fischer>

I never saw his reply....

I have no access to the text, and I don't know if the three GMs you mention do or not; I have said I very much want to see a straight assessment of the M61MG analysis from someone like Yasser Sereiwan, who is unsympathetic to Trice. Do you know if he has done that yet?

You realize, that despite all the feints, lies, sleights of hands, etc. that <ET> has filled his kibitz sheet with here at CG.com, there is nevertheless a hard core of a story line that he has held to, in lucid moments, from the early beginnings until now. (See for example, the March 23 discussions on his page). No one has dethroned it, although some good shots have come from <GeauxCool> just recently. A big problem with <Trice>'s story is that he seems to have no further reason to withhold the raw truth...if anyone else was involved. A reasonable explanation for this is: there isn't anyone else. He claims their identity was obscured from him, to which the stock retort from the Trice detractors, is "How convenient!" I admit that Trice is easy to get angry with, and you want to use everything you can to hang him, every interpretation of what he has written is fair game. He comes at you like a bull elephant with long pointed tusks waving and ears flapping. He has charged me. However, as with an African elephant (which I have been privileged to withstand an actual charge from), one can still appreciate certain facts about the beast if one maintains a cool head. He and his "minions" have hurled counter (and it must be admitted, pathetic) insults and innuendos in return to the counter attacks. Einarsson and kibitzers here at CG.COM have made Trice the centerpiece of the story, which he seems to relish. Einarsson missed his opportunity to say that he is QUITE SURE that NO ONE ELSE in Iceland was working with Trice. From all these bits, further challenges to explain can be fashioned.

I have no access to the text, and I don't know if the three GMs you mention do or not; I have said I very much want to see a straight assessment of the M61MG analysis from someone like Yasser Sereiwan, who is unsympathetic to Trice. Do you know if he has done that yet?>

yes he has. He said as much in several postings and email.

http://www.labatechess.com/61_games...

email Yasser and ask him. His email is no secret.

<You realize, that despite all the feints, lies, sleights of hands, etc. that <ET> has filled his kibitz sheet with here at CG.com, there is nevertheless a hard core of a story line that he has held to, in lucid moments, from the early beginnings until now. (See for example, the March 23 discussions on his page). No one has dethroned it, although some good shots have come from <GeauxCool> just recently. A big problem with <Trice>'s story is that he seems to have no further reason to withhold the raw truth...if anyone else was involved. A reasonable explanation for this is: there isn't anyone else.>

He admitted in an email to individuals he "pounded out another 40 pages last night"

<He claims their identity was obscured from him, to which the stock retort from the Trice detractors, is "How convenient!" I admit that Trice is easy to get angry with, and you want to use everything you can to hang him, every interpretation of what he has written is fair game. He comes at you like a bull elephant with long pointed tusks waving and ears flapping. He has charged me. However, as with an African elephant (which I have been privileged to withstand an actual charge from), one can still appreciate certain facts about the beast if one maintains a cool head. He and his "minions" have hurled counter (and it must be admitted, pathetic) insults and innuendos in return to the counter attacks. Einarsson and kibitzers here at CG.COM have made Trice the centerpiece of the story, which he seems to relish. Einarsson missed his opportunity to say that he is QUITE SURE that NO ONE ELSE in Iceland was working with Trice.>

No one associated with Fischer was involved. What else matters?

<From all these bits, further challenges to explain can be fashioned.

As a flunky, he was responsible for getting the content organized and new material incorporated. At least, that is a possible interp of that email. One problem with the Labate email cache is that there are apparently many "missing" emails from the comm flow, and even in several that do appear, Mr Labate has seen fit to edit some parts. The missing emails and the missing parts, are no doubt unimportant, but who is the judge and jury here? I'm not, and I've seen plenty of "rock-solid" conclusions drawn by kibitzers here (on speculation, as it turns out), eventually been disproven by facts unknown at the time, later revealed.

Compare:

<1. "Someone sent me the manuscript to fix" = <lie>.

2. "I pounded out 40 pages" = <not a lie>>.

<<<>>--???--->

Who's making this call?

<Trice> himself has done more to support the above judgements, with his constellation of opposing contributions, than any of the strident supporters of the "one man, one book" theory. (As you yourself have demonstrated from previous <ET> quotes often enough.) But the <GothicChessInventor> emails from the <Defend Labate> site provide no absolute conclusions, as far as I can see.

<Einar Einarsson: Ed Trice approached me Nov 8 2007 and asked “for some recent photos of Fischer with some other things that nobody else is aware of since he has been in Iceland”>

<Ed Trice: What a bunch of crap! I was in Iceland on November 8 and I never met Einer!>

Trice e-mail from Labate site

<From: "GothicChessInfo@aol.com [mailto:GothicChessInfo@aol.com]>`

<Sent: 22. september 2007 15:20>

<To: "Einar S Einarsson">

<Subject: Re: Returning to Iceland in October>

<Hi Einer,>

<When we come to Iceland next month, would we be able to meet with you? I would very much like that.>

<With my best regards,>

<--Ed Trice>

So Trice planned to go to Iceland in October, but then this e-mail on November 8, 2007:

<From: "GothicChessInfo@aol.com [mailto:GothicChessInfo@aol.com]>

<Sent: 8. nóvember 2007 00:41>

<To: "Einar S Einarsson">

<Subject: Bobby Fischer Update>

<Hello Einer,>

<I was just thinking about something you mentioned to me earlier. About you having some photos of Fischer with some other things that nobody else is aware of since he has been in Iceland.>

<I don't mean to sound mundane about all of this, but are there any plans to pass any of these photos on to other generations as time goes on?>

<Anyway, I mention all of this because I would like to volunteer to become the next in line to be the caretaker of these "Fischer Artifacts." Any photos or memorabilia that is too precious to lose through the sands of time, I will secure, safeguard, and provide a proper place in THEIR OWN museum like showcase . This WILL NOT ever go the USCF -- . This will be a Bobby Fischer Only exhibit.>

<If this sounds like something that is of interest to you, please let me know.>

<Again, I am interested in returning to Iceland to meet you, and if possible, Mr. Fischer. No pressure, no talk of the former match, just a sit down to chat.>

<With my best regards,>

<Ed Trice>

<Ed Trice: What a bunch of crap! I was in Iceland on November 8 and I never met Einer!>

...then why in the above e-mail dated Nov 8, 2007 (from the Labate web site) sent to Einar we see Trice saying:

<Again, I am interested in <<<returning to Iceland>>> to meet you, and if possible, Mr. Fischer. No pressure, no talk of the former match, just a sit down to chat.>

<With my best regards,>

<Ed Trice>