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M61MG Wrestler
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   M61MG Wrestler has kibitzed 26 times to chessgames   [more...]
   Nov-05-14 M61MG Wrestler chessforum (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: ==== <James Demery> The link has been updated to this one: Robert James Fischer As the owners of this website clean up the old trash, the links above get broken. You called on an investigation of the M61MG book's legitmacy, and Trice's puppet <hackmate> made up a
 
   Jun-16-14 Viktor Korchnoi (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: <petrosianic: a few words that Fischer didn't even say (see "My 61 Memorable Games Hoax"). > http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... .
 
   Sep-27-12 Adams vs Gelfand, 2012 (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: Whereas Adams is seventh place....he needs to try harder. :)
 
   Feb-15-12 Bobby Fischer (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: <♗=== UGH ===♗> <Joshka: <rannewman> Those notes were collected and written over decades, and according to reports I've read, they measure some 22 inches high stacked on top of one another! The bootlegged book was printed in Iceland 2007. IM Larry ...
 
   Jun-23-11 jessicafischerqueen chessforum (replies)
 
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   Aug-12-09 chessgames.com chessforum (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: In my profile I am having difficulty getting certain lines to separate, without adding a blank line in between. How can I ensure that a line of text starts on a new line? Here is an example that DOES NOT SEPARATE with a carriage return: Evans 1st M61MG Article ...
 
   Jul-25-09 Kibitzer's Café (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: ♗/////NO ONE BANNED\\\\\ ♗ Reminder to all: If you want to discuss or investigate the book "My 61 Memorable Games", I invite you to visit my chessforum. Other sites on the internet may not allow the discussion from all users that takes place on my forum.
 
   Jul-25-09 Shirov vs R Panjwani, 2009 (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: ♗/////NO ONE BANNED\\\\\ ♗ If you want to discuss or investigate the book "My 61 Memorable Games", I invite your to visit my chessforum, on which no CG.COM user is banned from participating. Other sites on the internet may not allow the discussion that takes ...
 
   Jul-03-09 H Olafsson vs P Smirnov, 2008 (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: ♗////LINKS NEEDED\\\\♗ I'm looking for good links to headline the "Uncovering the Truth" page. See the short kibitz history on my forum. Improvements solicited, and most welcome.
 
   Jun-29-09 chancho chessforum (replies)
 
M61MG Wrestler: New location for discussing "My 61 Mem Games", including all* previous posts on that topic from Mrs. Alekhine's forum. Click my Avatar to join in. Anyone is welcome. *some pruning has occurred on irrelevant posts.
 
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Uncovering the Truth About M61MG

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May-29-09  Jim Bartle: Good luck in the future, Ed.

I'll leave it to kibitzers to decide which one.

May-29-09
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  chancho: <Jim> Esa es muy facil. :)
May-29-09  Jim Bartle: No pensaste que pudiera ser Mr. Ed?
May-29-09
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  chancho: <Jim> El Caballo que habla? Diablos! No se me occurio. :-)
May-29-09  Pyke: What is there more to say?

All the best to Mr. Labate! Enjoy your retirement.

May-29-09
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  chancho: <GeauxCool> Thanks for the link.
May-29-09  PinnedPiece: I will be happy to let this episode sink into the past, but I wish there were a conclusive retelling written somewhere, where "new suckers" can be directed, when/if more sales work for the book appears in the future.

I am now firmly on the "Book=scam" side of the argument, and IMO the perpetrator said to himself one day, "If these idiots believe I am selling land on Mars, let's see what else they will believe."

Many people have spent way too much time on this, including me. Hopefully <GeauxCool> and <Chancho> can spend some time outdoors, now that its nearly summer.

If the entire email cache disappears, its ok with me. I imagine the person who has lost the most sleep of all of us, over this affair, is Ed Labate, and maybe his greatest joy will be to now get some really restorative rest. (Maybe not, if he aims to become a Master-level).

Also, being the capitalist that I am, I hope Mr labate was able to turn a tidy sum with impressive visitation numbers and rising sales.

.

May-29-09  GeauxCool: Thanks for the space, <Mrs. Alekhine>.
May-29-09  MageOfMaple: <GeauxCool: Thanks for the space, <Mrs. Alekhine>>

Here here!

Thanks for your efforts to move this flotsom off of the Fischer page. Since, it seems, no one was "taken to the cleaners" in this scam, the only real harm would have been to his memory if people had believed that he actually wrote some of that crap. ("inner smirk" - Seriously?) But you got it off of the Fischer page, and now, hopefully, it's off of the mainstream for good, like a bad memory.

So... How about that Alexander Alkehine?

May-30-09
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  jessicafischerqueen: Thanks you guys =

I have to say it's meant the world to me that we got the Fischer Player Page back to talking about Fischer Playing Chess.

Instead of "writing" books he never wrote.

I guess it's no secret I agree with your points about the real author of this travesty-

A travesty to Bobby and his memory and just plain illegal.

Really, really, highly illegal.

Like going to jail illegal.

Here's hoping!!

In the mean time this forum is already paid up for over a year so take all the time you need.

Special thanks to <Chancho> for throwing his whole enthusiastic cooperation in the "split forum" experiment from the very beginning. It simply wouldn't have gotten off the ground without his leadership.

And thanks to you all for driving that despicable man into the tiny, lunaitc fringe corner of the internet he now "inhabits."-- And even then, he only "inhabits" it under ridiculously transparent sock puppets.

He is ashamed to show his face- and fearful. And he should be afraid, for obvious reasons.

He lacks the guts to come into the open for fear of legal prosecution. For months now he has attempted to peddle a book he dare not admit that he wrote in the first place.

Given the fact that the prose in the book was obviously- and without shadow of a doubt- written by someone who does not have English as a first language- or a second or third, for that matter-- one assumes he found some sucker willing to work for 5 cents an hour to do his dirty work for him.

Oh how the "mighty" have fallen. Gone are the days when he was permitted to insult and bully at this website on a daily basis.

I hope someone in American and International law enforcement has enough sense and resolve to bring this matter to its most just conclusion-

A huge fine and a lengthy jail sentence sounds fair to me.

Best regards,
Mrs. Alekhine

May-30-09
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  IMlday: "A huge fine and a lengthy jail sentence sounds fair to me."

Weird! That's just how President G.H.W.Bush felt about Bobby Fischer back in 1992. Those two really disliked each other. Fischer was exceptionally peeved studying 1930s finance and realizing how much Bush's dad Prescott profited from Nazi slave labour (before having assets frozen in '42 for 'trading with the enemy'). Perhaps fifty years later President Bush allowed his personal history to influence his 'Executive Order' aimed (extra-territorially) at Fischer? Definitely weird, I don't know about the legality either, you'd have to ask a constitutionalist.

But if you're taking the expression "I'm a light-squared ♗ preservationist" as evidence of English as a second language I suspect you are on the wrong track. Who writes like that is Robert Faurisson, a French academic historian who Fischer read. If you google: Faurisson revisionist exterminationist and take a brief (and perhaps distasteful) sample of what Fischer himself read, then I think you won't find the word "preservationist" to be any more than an attempt at humour.

Anyway, there is some good news. Batsfords algebraic M60MGs has copyrighted only the volume itself and recognized Fischer as holding the text and moral copyright. This applies in Europe rather than the U.S. but it gives Miyoko the trumps there. Plus it's great for chess players to be able to get the real 1969 version and for the publisher to make amends for the admittedly botched 1994 version (which had compressed two-column format and consequent textual alterations to ease margin justification).

Of course many of those new readers of the 1969 classic will also be interested later in the 2007 version incorporating especially the GMs criticisms '69-'72, Kasparov's later opinions (w/ engines), and the analytic rebuttals from Fischer (or "pseudo-Fischer" for the terminally conspiracy minded;)

Ed L.: "there were no notes left behind in his estate to validate his involvement."

Quite a bold assertion indeed. One wonders whether it was Labate's own magnificent detection ability or Fischer's inability to hide personal documents in the vast reaches of cyberspace which allowed Ed to reach that conclusion? but nevermind, it doesn't matter.

I wish Ed Labate good luck at the board. Seriously. The chess board is way more fun than courtrooms and stores and arguing with anonymous D-players on teh internets. Playing chess is what its all about, so Bravo!

Let's remember how M60MG started long ago with an old Emanuel Lasker quote: "On the chessboard lies and hypocrisy do not survive long. The creative combination lays bare the presumption of a lie; the merciless fact, culminating in a checkmate, contradicts the hypocrite."

That's better than real life.

May-30-09  Jim Bartle: "Of course many of those new readers of the 1969 classic will also be interested later in the 2007 version..."

With all due respect, Mr. Day, I am interesting in reading this book. Could you tell me where I can buy it?

By the way, all this talk of Trice going to jail is silly. Whatever his sins, I doubt they reach the level of anything worthy of jail time.

May-31-09
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  IMlday: Sorry Jim, I don't know any currently active source.
May-31-09
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  jessicafischerqueen: <Jim> it's even sillier when you understand that the reason I want him to go to jail is that I wasn't allowed to refer to him as <Triceratops> on pain of banishment from this website.

I'll have to own up to this narcissistic pique on my part.

Never mind then.

May-31-09
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  chancho: <Jim> Try asking <Joshka>:

<Jan-17-09>
<Robert James Fischer>

<Joshka>: <IMlday> <Master Day! Thanks for joining in!....yes I'm sure Jinky must have been taken care of in the final settlement, from Myoko. Besides GM Evans, I have not heard from any of the top players like yourself, or GM Keene on their assessments? As a Canadian, are <<<you interested in viewing the book>>> to make your own judgements?>

<Jan-17-09>
<Robert James Fischer>

<IMlday:> <Joshka> <I would be delighted with an opportunity to review it. At minimum that would end the obdurate skepticism regarding its existence.>

<Jan-30-09>
<Robert James Fischer>

<Joshka:> <JimBartle Since I am seeing your posts, means you are not on my ignor list, and seem to be intelligent with an open mind. You do not post childish, schoolyard comments. Are you interested in <<<getting a copy?>>> ->

May-31-09  sharro: <IMlday:
Ed L.: "there were no notes left behind in his estate to validate his involvement."

Quite a bold assertion indeed. >

Hardly.

The burden of proof would be on whoever thinks there ARE notes left behind indicating his involvement, since all other evidence points to the contrary.

May-31-09
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  chancho: This is interesting:

http://brainking.info/archives/563-...

May-31-09  GeauxCool: <and the analytic rebuttals from Fischer (or "pseudo-Fischer" for the terminally conspiracy minded;)> The conspiracy-minded are those who believe that Fischer and his friends conspired against Trice to lie about Bobby's non-involvement in that project.
May-31-09  GeauxCool: Bits and pieces - an excerpt from Betty Roberts' book, about a certain autograph. She hosted Pal Benko and Bobby Fischer in her home:

<"Pal Benko had said Bobby had a very healthy appetite. I went out and bought the best and biggest steaks I could find...

"Fischer seemed very shy when he first came in. After all, he was coming to a stranger's home and didn't know what to expect. Benko said later that he had never seen Bobby act in such a way...

"During dinner, I asked him if he would autograph my book, his own My 60 Memorable Games.

"Fischer said, 'I have a rule, never to give autographs.' I did not press him further.

"When dessert time came, I asked if he would like some strawberry shortcake...

"When I placed the strawberry shortcake in front of him, he looked at it, and said spontaneously, 'You know, I think I'll bend my rule a little and sign your book. In fact, I won't start my rule until after I sign it.'

"I promptly brought in the book for him to sign before he changed his mind. So I guess I have a rare autographed copy of My 60 Memorable Games. Perhaps this was his last autograph as the World Chess Champion."

<-How to Get Better at Chess: Chess Masters on Their Art (Evans, Silman and Roberts), pg.23.

< I personally purchased the book from Betty Roberts in the mid-80s, almost 25 years ago. - Edward Labate

<Fischer doesn't remember signing that book. He told me in person. - Ed Trice>>>>

May-31-09
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  chancho: From the link I posted:

Filip Rachunek of BrainKing:

<Please don't get me wrong - the point of this blog entry is not to start a vendetta or take a revenge, since BrainKing had not suffered any loss, regarding past events. However, I feel a little guilty because I remember how I had promoted gothic chess and all propaganda around in back in 2003 and 2004, when I had believed that it was a respectable project, so let it be a warning to all possible future victims of the master deceiver. Is it a coincidence that someone starts to negotiate with BrainKing just when he faces a backrupcy caused by nonpayment of a mortgage? Is it normal that someone attempts to trick people by selling a land that he simply cannot own? (Please compare the design and text style with http://gothicchess.com.) Is it natural that someone requests to take a site offline when the site owner reveals proofs of the respective person being a liar? (Especially this event is very similar to the past affair of gothicchess.org domain, formerly owned by myself!) Etc., etc., etc.>

<More interesting details>

<The bottom line: I don't want to make a definitive conclusion, so I leave it to everyone's verdict. And let's see if I receive an order to take this site offline as well. ;-) <<<I have my own story to reveal.>>>>

Wonder what that "story" can be?

Jun-01-09  ughaibu: Trice claimed to be offering BrainKing US100,000 worth of support, I guess that's the start of it. Trice was a real prat at BrainKing, organising hate groups, etc.
Jun-01-09
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  chancho: IMlDay: <I connected through Joshka whose email address is in his chessgames.com profile. A friendly fellow, he sent an order form pdf with the address to which I sent a cheque. The book arrived in the mail a couple of weeks later.>

http://www.chesstalk.info/forum/sho...

Jun-01-09  MageOfMaple: Horse ... Dead ...
Jun-01-09  Jim Bartle: <"When dessert time came, I asked if he would like some strawberry shortcake...

"When I placed the strawberry shortcake in front of him, he looked at it, and said spontaneously, 'You know, I think I'll bend my rule a little and sign your book. In fact, I won't start my rule until after I sign it.'>

If only FIDE had known this!! Fischer might have played Karpov if only they'd offered him some strawberry shortcake.

Jun-01-09  sharro: <MageOfMaple: Horse ... Dead ...>

So how bout them -insert favorite sport team here-

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