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| Sep-03-06 | | Hesam7: <Sneaky: <Hesam> Look, "fatigue" is not a question which can be mathematically answered.> During the match the players get tired and lose their strength. You have to select a model for the decline of player's strength. My suggestion would be exponential decay. A player with weak body has a larger decay constant, which means that they lose their strength faster. I know it is hard but you need a model in which the probability space changes as time goes by. Something like a self avoiding random walk. |
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| Sep-03-06 | | euripides: <sneaky> you've done a very thorough job on the question you formulated. Three comments: (a) it remains the case that the reason for insisting that the challenger should win by 2 points in a Fischer format is obscure, whereas in a fixed-length match a tie is an inevitable possibility that has to be dealt with somehow. I.e. <ugh>'s point about 'unnecessary' unfairness still seems valid to me. (b) I think I asked at some point above whether for a match of given length, one format would be clearly fairer than another. From your numbers, if I'm getting this right, it appears that a fixed-length match will almost always be fairer than a Fischer match of the same expected length, at least for the parameters you examine. (A higher draw percentage has an ambiguous effect on this, as it reduces the fairness of a fixed match of given length, but it also increases the expected length of a Fischer match). So if there is an expected-length constraint, it will always be fairer to use the Fischer system. (c) Of course the fairest system of all, in your sense, would be a simple unlimited first-to-n-wins format. |
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Sep-04-06
 | | Sneaky: Thanks euripides.
<that the challenger should win by 2 points in a Fischer format is obscure, whereas in a fixed-length match a tie is an inevitable possibility> True, in Fischer's format the 9-9 rule seems artificial, sort of like the en-passant rule. Although like the en passant rule it wasn't just plucked out thin air, there is a logic behind it. Again though, I'm just concerned with comparing the fairness of two formats. It's another question which rule set is more aesthetic--and you shouldn't let that determine which one is more fair. As I showed, for some parameters the Fischer format, with all of its ugliness, is clearly more fair. <I think I asked at some point above whether for a match of given length, one format would be clearly fairer than another. From your numbers, if I'm getting this right, it appears that a fixed-length match will almost always be fairer than a Fischer match of the same expected length> More or less true. A lot of the Fischer format's fairness derives from the enormous length of the match. <So if there is an expected-length constraint, it will always be fairer to use the Fischer system.> I think you typed that backwards by accident? If your time is limited then Fischer's system is not for you. <Of course the fairest system of all, in your sense, would be a simple unlimited first-to-n-wins format.> That would be one of them, as it's 100% fair, and so would a fixed length match with a tie-breaker system, or a "first to pull ahead by 2" format, or 100 other formats that don't contain tie-clauses. Don't fall into ughaibu's trap of getting hung up on the criticism that I labelled as spurious: "There are other possible match formats which would be superior to Fischer's proposal." |
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| Sep-04-06 | | Dozy: <Sneaky> I don't mean to trivialise your discussion but after you pointed me at Tom Lehrer the other day I found this site featuring Tom presenting a "Math Songs Concert". I thought you might enjoy it. It's a video: http://www.flatrock.org.nz/wolf/wol... |
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| Sep-04-06 | | euripides: <I think you typed that backwards by accident?> yes exactly. |
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Sep-04-06
 | | Sneaky: <Dozy> Trivialise my discussion? Heavens no, this discussion is very trivial compared to what really matters... Tom Lehrer videos!! |
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Sep-04-06
 | | Sneaky: << mp3 of the day >> Today's song is by Rebekah Del Rio, performing a spanish version of Roy Orbison's "Crying", which is called "Llorando". http://www.rebekahdelrio.com/audio/... More music by Rebekah at www.rebekahdelrio.com |
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| Sep-04-06 | | shr0pshire: <Sneaky> Being the sage Queen's Pawn player that you are, I was wondering if you could help me with my benoni sometime. I am thinking about putting it as the crux of my of my Queen's Pawn defense. Would you be willing to play a few practice games with me to help me out on FICS? |
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Sep-04-06
 | | Sneaky: shr0pshire -- my pleasure. In fact I'm on FICS right now. |
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| Sep-04-06 | | shr0pshire: <Sneaky> It was a pleasure to practice with you today and analyze our games. We don't play enough. ;) You are a very good player sir. |
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Sep-05-06
 | | Sneaky: My pleasure as well, shrop. We'll meet up again soon. |
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Sep-06-06
 | | Sneaky: << mp3 of the day >> I skipped a day, so this a two song medley.
This is a bluegrass jam-band called "Leftover Salmon" playing "Alligator" and "When You're a Viper". http://www.leftoversalmon.com/mp3/s... |
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| Sep-06-06 | | mack: A Tom Lehrer fan is always fine in my book. |
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Sep-07-06
 | | Sneaky: << mp3 of the day >> This is another novelty song, in fact I think it's supposed to be an education song for kids, but in any case it's really well done. It's called "The Bloodmobile" by They Might be Giants. http://www.tmbg.com/mp3/Bloodmobile... |
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| Sep-07-06 | | mack: If you're into novelty educational records and They Might Be Giants, have you put up their version of Why Does The Sun Shine yet? |
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Sep-07-06
 | | Sneaky: That's a goodie too. |
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| Sep-07-06 | | mack: Oh, it's brilliant - I saw them do it live last year and I felt I could have died a happy man there and then. |
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| Sep-07-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: Thanks, <Sneaky>!
Here's a whole bunch of MP3s from my part: http://www.scene.org:8080/~radix/mo... This guy is from Stockholm and I think he makes some excellent electronic music. My favorite tracks are "Yuki Satellites", "I Realize", "Boo" and "Clover". Try them out! |
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Sep-08-06
 | | Sneaky: <Emperor> That's definitely different! |
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Sep-08-06
 | | Sneaky: << mp3 of the day >> Here's a genre we've yet to cover ... FUNK! In the world of funk, one man's name stands above all others as the supreme grandmaster of the art: George Clinton. This is "Flashlight" performed by Parliament. http://tribal.hip-hop.lv/MP3/Parlia... |
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| Sep-08-06 | | EmperorAtahualpa: <That's definitely different!> <Sneaky> LOL sounds like you appreciate it a lot. :) Anyway, that's just the kind of music I listen to mostly, though I'm open to lots of other music too....funk for instance. :) Ever heard of Maxwell? |
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| Sep-08-06 | | mack: <I'm open to lots of other music too> Guided By Voices? The Fall? Joni Mitchell? The The? |
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Sep-10-06
 | | Sneaky: << mp3 of the day >> This is a Miles Davis song from the Gil Evans big-band days (the late 1940's) when he was the front-man for the nonet. It's from the famous "Birth of the Cool" album and called "Boplicity." http://www.valleyjazz.net/Resources...
The line-up on this track:
Miles Davis — trumpet
Gerry Mulligan — baritone saxophone
Lee Konitz — alto saxophone
J.J. Johnson — trombone
Sandy Siegelstein — French horn
Bill Barber — tuba
John Lewis — piano
Nelson Boyd — bass
Kenny Clarke — drums |
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Sep-10-06
 | | Sneaky: <<That's definitely different!>
<Sneaky> LOL sounds like you appreciate it a lot. :)> Actually I did enjoy it, I listened to all of your picks. I listened first the one called "boo" first with the weird voice/lyrics so I was slightly taken aback when I wrote that. |
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| Sep-11-06 | | shr0pshire: Here are those games I sent you on FICS with your Qc1 line of the grunfeld. I hope they can help. [Event "?"] [Site "corr IECC M"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "2"] [White "Burrell, Edward"] [Black "Fortunato, Michael"] [Result "1/2-1/2"] [ECO "D85"] 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 g6 3.c4 Bg7 4.Nc3 d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.e4 Nxc3 7.bxc3 c5 8.Rb1 O-O 9.Be2 cxd4 10.cxd4 Qa5+ 11.Bd2 Qxa2 12.Qc1 Qe6 13.Qc2 Qc6 14.Qd3 b6 15.Rc1 Qd6 16.O-O Ba6 17.Qe3 Bxe2 18.Qxe2 a6 19.Rfd1 a5 20.Qb5 Rd8 21.e5 Qe6 22.d5 Qf5 23.Bg5 Nd7 24.Bxe7 Re8 25.d6 Nxe5 26.Nxe5 Bxe5 27.Qxb6 Kg7 28.d7 Rxe7 29.d8=Q Rxd8 30.Qxd8 Bf6 31.Qd2 a4 32.Rc4 Qb5 33.Qa2 a3 34.Rc2 Qb4 35.h3 Re1+ 36.Rxe1 Qxe1+ 37.Kh2 Qa1 38.Qc4 Qd1 39.Re2 Bb2 40.Qb5 Qd4 1/2-1/2 [Event "?"] [Site "ACCOM I"] [Date "1986.??.??"] [Round "6"] [White "Vlaming, S"] [Black "Van der Hauw, H"] [Result "0-1"] [ECO "D85"] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4 Nxc3 6.bxc3 Bg7 7.Nf3 c5 8.Rb1 O-O 9.Be2 cxd4 10.cxd4 Qa5+ 11.Bd2 Qxa2 12.Qc1 Qe6 13.Ng5 Qc6 14.Qa3 Bxd4 15.O-O Qf6 16.Nf3 Nc6 17.Bh6 Re8 18.Bc4 e6 19.Bb5 e5 20.Bc4 Qe7 21.Qa2 Be6 22.Bxe6 fxe6 23.Rb3 b6 24.Ng5 a5 25.Rf3 Nd8 26.Rc1 b5 27.Qb3 Rb8 28.Rd3 a4 29.Qd1 a3 30.Qb3 b4 31.Rc4 Qa7 32.Qa2 b3 33.Rxb3 Rxb3 34.Rc8 Qb7 35.Rc1 Nf7 36.Nxf7 Kxf7 0-1 |
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