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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: <Robin> They have already made their move today. We now have the rest of the day to reply at our leisure. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: Ok, we only need to hear from <Nako Sonorense>. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | NakoSonorense: <(b) 15...h6 16.Nge4 Bf7 17.Qd3. Now here, 17...Bg6 loses to 18.f5 Bxf5 19.Rxf5?! Qxf5 20.Nxd6+! Bxd6 21.Qxf5. So, after driving the Q back with 16...Bf7 I like 17...Rd8. The main thing to watch here is if they do push the f pawn, an eventual 19...gxf6 20.Nxf6+ is a horrible fork that loses for us. So if 18.f5, we probably want Be7 or Qe7.> I agree with Ron. I vote for <15...h6> |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: It looks like we are unanimous. Would you like me to post it now? They might get another move in today if we do. I'm for posting it. |
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Jan-20-06
 | | WannaBe: oh, why not. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | NakoSonorense: go for it. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: Anybody else online? one more vote for immediate posting and I'll get it done. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: Ah, Nako posted before me.. Good. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: Now, not entirely out of the question is 16.g4 |
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| Jan-20-06 | | Robin01: I see we posted a move already. I hope someone analyzed h6. I was going to look at it tonight. Why are we in such a hurry? |
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Jan-20-06
| | WannaBe: I believe <RonB52734> did analyze the line h6. And this is a good time to get the knight off that square. There are no immediate threats by white, we can plan our attack, we don't have to worry about the f7 square. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: Actually, g4 is a horrible move for them.
Other possible lines
(a) 16.fxe5 hxg5 17.Bxg5 dxe5 18.Qxd7 Kxd7 and now they can't use the R to check us because of our h5 Bishop. +2 points to us. (b) 16.fxe5 dxe5? 17.Qxd7 Kxd7 18.Nf7 loses us a pawn because if 18...Bxf7 19.Rxf7+ K(anywhere), then 20.Rxb7, and if 18...Rg8 or 18...Rh7, then 19.Nxe5. Therefore, we do not play 16...dxe5. (c) 16.fxe5 hxg5 17.e6 Qe7 18.Bxg5 Qc7 19.Nb5 Qb6+ 20.Kh1 Rd8 21.e7 and we can take with either the B or the N. This one is scary, dangerous, but in the end we are +1. It also gets us close to getting all of our pieces in the game. (d) 16.fxe5 Bf7?? 17.e6 Bxe6 18.Nxe6 This one's pretty ugly. We're down a piece and up to our ears in alligators. It thus seems to me that if they don't retreat the Knight, but instead take our pawn, we take the Knight. They will likely then play line (c). |
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Jan-20-06
| | WannaBe: Why's g4 so bad? I did a quick look, it's got h3 backing it up, so the bishop have to retreat. Did I over-look something? |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: 16.fxe5 Nxe5 17.Bf4 hxg5 18.Bx(anything) Bg4(!)
Note that in these lines, where we can open the h-file and our Q can get there, this can be VERY hard for them to defend. Here's one way they could: 16.fxe5 Nxe5 17.Rf4 hxg4 18.Re4 Bg4 19.hxg4 and we're still up a pawn. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | NakoSonorense: I'll post my analysis in a few minutes |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe> 16.g4 Bxg4 17.hxg4 Qxg4+ 18.K(somewhere) hxg5 (perhaps mate) |
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Jan-20-06
| | WannaBe: 
click for larger viewOk, got a board, so I can visualize...
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: <RonB grabs WannaBe's board and turns it around> I like this better:
click for larger view1KR2B1R-1P4PP-P4N2-2P5-bN1pQ3-p3pn2-1p2q1pp-r1bk3r
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: The danger of us opening the h-file and crashing their kingside pawns is so great, they have few choices except to retreat the N |
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| Jan-20-06 | | NakoSonorense: 3 possibilities for white here:
<1>16.Ne6, which is not good for them after 16...Bf7 the knight is pinned. If 17.Nxf8 (attacking our queen), then 17...Rxf8. The white Queen has to retreat and we have our rook in very likely open file after the pawns are gone. Good for us! (i think) <2>16.Ne4, we could move 16.Bf7 to scare off the white queen. After the queen is gone from d5, we can mobilize our pawns to start the counter-attack. Or we could move our rook to d8 to support even more our panws. <3>For 16.Nf3 I have nothing! Maybe Rd8, Bf7, or Be7. Any of them is fine with me. Whichever gets more votes. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | NakoSonorense: Chopin's leaving the match. Our opponents are falling apart. Way to go, dark horses! Lol |
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Jan-20-06
| | WannaBe: Really like to get the rooks going, looking at possibly ...g6 ...Bg7 and ...Rf8 or ...Rd8 |
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| Jan-20-06 | | RonB52734: <Nako> Agreed as to <1> and <2>. On <3>, I'd give a long look at Bxf3. It trades our B (which can't defend d6) for their N (which could attack it). But let's wait and see what happens. Also, folks, there has been some questioning among us when we play two moves in one day. I propose that we do not play two moves in one day unless a majority votes for the timing of the move, and only after all 5 have had a chance to vote on that question. I think in general we do not want to do anything until all 5 voices are counted. I apologize for having done otherwise in the past. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | NakoSonorense: The reason I don't like Bxf3 is that white can take our bishop with the rook, and after they activate their bishop, they can move the a-rook to the f file, which would leave them with doubled rooks. Bxf3 would only help them activate their rooks more quickly, while ours are still in their original squares.
Just a thought, maybe Im overlooking something. |
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| Jan-20-06 | | sitzkrieg: "<I think in general we do not want to do anything until all 5 voices are counted. I apologize for having done otherwise in the past>" I ll have to take the blame for that one. I was pushing for us to post.
Apologies. |
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