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| Feb-25-06 | | Cogano: A warm hello to all my <Dark Horses> team-mates. I request your opinion on something. Right now we must move out of check. Suppose we move the King to d7, & thus temporarily end the checks, what should we do if they then played 43.h4? I know, it looks like I'm obsessing. But I think it is important to consider that far ahead. Thanks much. Take very good care & have a great day & a great weekend too. Cheers
mates! :) |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Robin01: I've been looking at this for a while. I like either 42...Kd8 or 42...Kd7. They both look okay. I have to go out for a while, and will look at it again later when I get back and narrow it down to only one move. |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Cogano: Okay Robin. Thank you. Enjoy your excursion. I'll talk to you soon! Fare thee well melady! :) |
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Feb-25-06
 | | WannaBe: Back from visiting my accnt... took longer than I thought because of visiting a friend (female) of mine and hearing her stories... If we go Kb7, that avoids a queen fork. and we can possibly cut off the pawn, so does Kb8. But if we choose to not venture Q-side, that is also fine with me. I currenly like Kd8 over Kd7, because Kd7 cuts off Rook control over the 7th. |
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Feb-25-06
| | WannaBe: One possible move is Kb7 and force the queen to switch color and not attach 2 pieces, then 43. Qb3+ we do 43...Kb7 (switching color again) and not allow the queen to attack the king, but at the same time, block off the pawn. Any opinion on this possibility? |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Cogano: Welcome back <WannaBe>. I'm rather confused by what you're talking about. Did you mean that we go to b7 then back
to d7 or what? & if the King's already on b7, how could it go back there? & which of White's pawns will then be blocked by their check? Also what fork are you talking about? All our pawns & pieces are currently protected & will continue to be after we move out of check. I'm not as regretful about blocking the 7th rank as I am for not being able to go to e3 with check! Also, suppose we play Kd7, & they play h4, what do you think is our best move?
Thanks much. Take very good care & have a great day & whatever is left of your weekend? Cheers mate! :) P.S. When is our next move due? |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Cogano: I hope we have enough time to decide our move. It's 10:18PM EST for me (in Toronto) right now. & I feel really tired. So I'm gonna hit the sack. I'll talk to you folks soon. Cheers! :) |
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Feb-25-06
| | WannaBe: <Cogano> Sorry, I meant 42...Kb7 then if 43. Qb_+ 43...Ka7 We have plenty of time. |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Cogano: That's ok <WannaBe>. The important thing is that you cleared it up. Alas, sleep eluded me (despite how tired I was)! :( So, for the time being, it's 11:11PM EST for me now, I'll still be available to return messages & bounce ideas with the rest of you. Take care all & have a great night! Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Robin01: I have decided to vote for 42...Kd8. The reason I picked Kd8 over Kd7 was so our rook could stay more active on the rank. A couple of lines are: 42...Kd8; 43.Qa5+, Kc8; then either
44.Qa6+, Kc7
44.Qa8+, Bb8
44.Qf5+, Kc7
Another line:
42...Kd8, 43.a5, Bb8, then if 44.a6, Rd7+
So 42...Kd8 gets my vote. |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Robin01: The time has come to sleep...zzzzzzzz |
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| Feb-26-06 | | Cogano: <WannaBe> It's an intriguing idea. But how do you propose to keep both rook & bishop safe while the King is far from them? If the bishop were at f6, then the problem solves itself. Put the rook
on e7 or d8 & nothing can or will lodge
it from there! But that requires 2 moves to get the bishop there, time during which they may try to fork King & rook or King & bishop (forking bishop
& rook would be useless since we could then play our intended move of Bf6 securing both!) If we play your line & they check from b3, then I see potential in Bc5, if they advance the pawn to a5, foiling check at b6 & threatening check at e3, forking the Queen in the process! Notice also that with the King at a7, the rook on e7 & the bishop on c5, it'll take them at least 2 moves before they can check again! Valuable time for us to remobilize, or whatever else we may need to do! I'm thinking of something along the following lines, if we go with your suggestion of moving to a7:42.Qc3+ Kb7, 43.Qb2+ Ka7, 44.a5 Bc5, 45.Kc4
(To avoid check? Notice that either they move the King to avoid the obvious
check, forcing the King to move anyway,
or move the Queen! A scenario for that will follow!) 45...Bg1,
(I can't think of anything better.)
46.Qa1
(If they move the King, either they'll be forced back Kingside or they'll have
to pass in front or behind the Queen, exposing it to a rook fork! I also chose a1 because it keeps targeting the
weak g7-square, threatens the bishop, remains on a line from which it can later check our King AND continues to guard the a-pawn!) 46...Rc7+, 47.Kd5
(Inching towards our rook & pawns?)
47...Rd7+
(Daring them to threaten it!)
48.Ke6 Bd4,
(If they do actually foresee such a continuation, they may opt to move Queenside -- the idea being of King & Queen aiding pawn.) 47.Kb3 Rb7+,
(No more need to worry about it!)
48.Kc2 Bc5,
(We may not be able to threaten their a-pawn from here. But at least it's a central square & seems a better option than h2, f2 or e3!) Moving the Queen scenario:
42.Qc3+ Kb7, 43.Qb2+ Ka7, 44.a5 Bc5, 45.Qb5
(This move effectively neutralizes our check threat. For if 45...Re3+, then 46.Kc4, double threatening the bishop &
the Queen is also threatening to go to d7 with check, forking the g7-pawn!) 45...Rc7,
(Keeps 7th rank off limits --> defends g7-pawn, defends bishop ==> no checks for a while!) 46.h4 Bf2,
(Again, I can think of nothing better!)
47.Qb4
(The Queen continues to guard the a-pawn, takes up the duty of guarding the
now weakened h-pawn, AND threatens our rook on e7. A great multi-tasking move.
But is it also overloading the Queen?)
47...Rb7,
(Threatening it was just plain useless & a waste of time!) 48.Qf4
(I can see nothing better!)
Be1, 49.Ke4
(Already anbandoning the a-pawn & heading for our Kingside pawns!) 49...Bc3,
(The plan is to take the bishop to f6, the rook to b5 & the King to a6. That would prevent their King from going to f5 to assist the g5 war. But, if they take their Queen to g6, keeping the King from f4 will be more difficult!) 50.Qf5 Ka6, 51.Qg6+ Bg6, 52.g4 Kxa5, 53.Kf4 Rb6, 54.Qh5+ Kb4, 55.g5 Rb5, 56.Qg6 hxg5, 57.hxg5 Rxg5+, (Forcing a draw!)
58.Qxg5 Bxg5, 59.Kxg5 Kc5, 60.Kg6
(They can't afford the possibility of our queening the pawn!) 60...Kd6, 61.Kxg7 1/2--1/2
Do tell me what you think. Take very good care & have a great night. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Feb-26-06 | | RonB52734: What I would see is 42...Kb7 43.Qb3+ Ka7 44.Qb5 with the idea of squeezing down a and b. If we try to avoid this with 44...Rb7 45.Qa5 Kb8 46.Qd8+ I kinda like Kd8 better for preserving our protected group and freeing the R. But I'm still on the fence.
We have about 90 minutes now. |
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| Feb-26-06 | | RonB52734: I'm going to vote for Kd8, which gives us three votes for that. We have roughly 50 minutes now to post our move. I'm going to take a short break and plan to post our move at about 10:50 a.m. So, as the minister says, speak now or forever hold your piece. |
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Feb-26-06
| | WannaBe: That looks good. I did look at the king moving to a-file to block the pawn as an 'adventure'. It might be the most prudent of all choices. =) |
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| Feb-26-06 | | RonB52734: <WannaBe> <an adventure> I felt the same way. It's still going to take some maneuvering to get our pieces lined up right to attack a7 before they get their K + Q in place to defend it. Still, as long as we have B + R, with correct play I think they have to try to liquidate everything on the Queenside with the hope that their K gets back to the Kingside before ours can, as <Cogano> and I discussed a few days ago. We just have to play carefully. |
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| Feb-26-06 | | Cogano: Sorry I could not get back to you folks earlier. But that's ok. You had a majority anyway. Alas, I'm not going to be available for another couple of hours. Sorry folks. I'll talk to you as soon as I can. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-26-06 | | Cogano: All quiet on the <Dark Horses> front. Alas, I haven't come up with anything yet. I hope everyone is enjoying their weekend, what's left of it anyway. Take
very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-26-06 | | RonB52734: I am, <Cogano>, thank you. I've pulled out my copy of "How to Reassess Your Chess" by Jeremy Silman, and I'm listening to Bach and Mozart. Now, if I just didn't have to go to work in the morning.... |
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| Feb-26-06 | | Cogano: Glad to hear it Ron. As for work, that's life I guess. But you could always try working on your own (self-employed). Anyway, I'm working on a few
lines that I'll share when I'm done. Take care. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Feb-26-06 | | RonB52734: <Cogano> Unfortunately, in a way, I am self-employed. That just means "everybody's my boss!" Oh well. I could always hit the lottery! |
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| Feb-26-06 | | Robin01: All is quiet yet. That is good. I wish I could hit the lottery. |
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| Feb-26-06 | | RonB52734: <--Listening to The Beatles now..... |
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| Feb-26-06 | | Cogano: Oh Robin I more than sympathize. I've so longed to win the lottery & for so long, I'm sometimes not sure if I'm still in reality or in my daydreams wherein I've won it! ;) LOL! Ron, if you're partly self-employed, then how is everyone your boss? Being self-employed is supposed to allow you
to call the shots for yourself, so to speak. I spent the last little while listening to Jesse Cook's Free Fall & looking at the position. It may sound like I wasted my time & that I'm taking this game too seriously. But I enjoy analyzing positions. More still,
I have this compulsion to solve a problem I'm confronted with. It's my anxiety. Even if I occupy myself with something else, my sub-conscious continues to obsess over it. Anyway, here's what I've come up with so far, I hope it proves useful. Take very good care both & enjoy the rest of your night. Cheers! :) 42.Qc3+ Kd8, 43.Qc6 Rd7, 44.Qa8+ Ke7, 45.Qe4+ Be5+, 46.Ke3 Kd6, 47.Qb4+ Kc7,
48.a5 Rd6, 49.Qb5 Re6, 50.Qd5 Re7, 51.Kf3 Bf6, 52.Qc5+ Kb8, 53.Qb6+ Rb7, 54.Qd6+ Ka7, 55.Kg4 Rb5, 56.h4 Rxa5, 57.Kh3 Re5, 58.Qd4+ Kb7, 59.Qf4 Kc6, 60.g4 Kd7, 61.g5 hxg5, 62.hxg5 Rxg5. 63.Qa4+ Kd7, 64.Qa7+ Ke6, 65.Qa6+ Kf7, 66.Qc4+ Kg6, 67.Qe4+ Kh6, 68.Qh4+ Rh5, 69.Qxh5+ Kxh5 & we then queen the pawn! Do tell me what you think. Thanks! :) |
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| Feb-27-06 | | Cogano: Here are some more possibilities. I hope you find them, or at least part of
them, useful. Thanks. Cheers! :)
42.Qc3+ Kd8, 43.Qc6 Rd7, 44.Qa8+ Ke7, 45.Qe4+ Be5+, 46.Ke3 Kd6, 47.Qb4+ Kc7, 48.a5 Rd6, 49.Qb5 Re6, 50.Qd5 Re7, 51.Kf3 Bf6, 52.Qc5+ Kb8, 53.Qb6+ Rb7, 54.Qd6+ Ka7, 55.Qf4 Rb5, 56.Qg4 Rxa5, 57.Qg6 Rg5, 58.Qf7+ Kb6, 59.Qe6+ Kc7, 60.h4 Rh5, 61.g3 Re5, 62.Qh3 Kd6, 63.g4
Ke7, 64.Qg3 Rc5, 65.Qe1+ Kf7,
A)66.Kf4 Rc4+, 67.Kf3 Rd4, 68.Qe3 Rd5, 69.g5 hxg5, 70.hxg5 Rxg5+, 71.Kh3 (Maybe, just maybe, they might keep the Queen & try to draw! Otherwise, as in a
previous line I submitted a couple of days ago, we easily queen, what with the presence of bishop & King, & win!) 71...Rh5+, 72.Kg2 Re5, 73.Qb3+ Kg6, 74.Qd3+ Kh6, 75.Qh3+ Rh5, 76.Kf1 (If 76.Qe3+, then 76...Rg5+)
76...Kg5, 77.Qg3+ Kf5, 78.Qf3+ Kg6, 79.Ke2 Re5+, 80.Ke1 [I don't know how to continue from here! :(]
B)66...Re5, 67.Qg3 Rd5, 68.Qb3 g5+, 69.hxg5 Bxg5+, 70.Ke4 Ke6, 71.Qb6+
Rd6, 72.Qb3+ Kf6, 73.Qc3+ Kg6, 74.Qe5 Rf6, 75.Qe8+ Rf7, 76.Qe6+ Kg7, 77.Qe5+ Bf6 (& they lose the Queen!) |
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