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| Feb-23-06 | | Cogano: Hello again <Ron> & I sincerely hope this finds you well. They chose to play
41.Kf3 after all. I'll have to think deeply about this. I never bothered to consider this position, because I never
thought they'd so casually abandon the Kingside pawns! For now, I still say that 41...Re7 is best, to protect the g7-pawn. Another alternative is to play
41...Be5, since it denies White 42.Qd5, or they lose the Queen to Rd8! But, 41...Be5 loses eventually. Because, after 42.Qb5 (threatening the rook), it's either 42...Re7 or another check with 42...Rd8+. In either case, their King will force our bishop to move from
its nice central square on their next move. In my opinion, d4 & e5 are our bishop's best squares in general & f6, when they advance the Kingside pawns. But you &/or the others are welcome to disagree. So for now, our best move is 41...Re7 & that's what I vote for. Your
& the others' feedback is, as always, most welcome of course. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Feb-23-06 | | RonB52734: Yeah, I think I'll have a tall, cool glass of Re7. |
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Feb-23-06
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| Feb-23-06 | | Cogano: Another thing <Ron>: If 41.Kd3 Re7, 42.Qd5, 42...Rd7 still wins. How we're best to continue after that depends completely on what they play next. Sorry for the inconvenience. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Feb-23-06 | | RonB52734: They may try 42.a5, looking toward Qb6 and promoting the pawn that way. If so, 42...Kd8 looks pretty good, allowing ...Bc7. I haven't looked at this too deeply, tho. But the more I look at the position, the more two things become clear. (1) I like our set-up in the center right now. It's too close and too protected for their Queen to find any bad forks. And (2) we really need to wait and see how they respond to ...Re7. They have many many choices. |
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| Feb-23-06 | | Cogano: Just another thing to share with you all:
41.Kd3 Re7, 42.Qb5 Rd7, 43.Kc4 Kd8, 44.a5 Bc7, 45.a6 Kc8, 46.Qc6 Rd6,
47.Qa8+ Bb8, 48.a7 Rb6, 49.Kc5 Kc7, 50.axb8=Q+ Rxb8, 51.Qxb8+ Kxb8, & I don't see how we could then win, since their King is closer to our
pawns & more centralized than ours! So, 41.Kd3 is a much better move
than I thought & gave them credit for. Like I said, I have little to no
chess knowledge or playing experience. So I'm not exactly in a position
to offer much help. But I'm trying my best. I sure hope I'm wrong about
this line & that we do have a decent chance to at least draw if not win
the game. As always, thank you most kindly for your anticipated &
continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration &
assistance. Take very good care & have great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-23-06 | | RonB52734: <Cogano> That is a very, very interesting line, and I give you great credit for working it out. I am hoping it works out to be a draw, as I shall explain. Let me first point out that there are two points where we might have better moves: (A) Instead of 44...Bc7, we might conclude that 44...Rc7+ is better, I don't know. (B) We might also conclude that 47...Kd7 is better than 47...Bb8. Again, I didn't spend a great deal of time thinking about the implications. But anyway, after playing out the line you describe, we need to play cleverly.
I think we play ...g5, and then run the King up the dark diagonal, like this: 52.Kd6 g5 53.Ke6 Kc7 54.Kf6 Kd6 55.Kg6 Ke5 56.Kxh6 Kf4. Now, I may be mistaken, but I think White's in zugzwang ... anything they play will cause all pawns to fall. Interesting. |
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| Feb-23-06 | | RonB52734: <anything they play will cause all pawns to fall> or two pawns to Queen, ours with check! |
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| Feb-23-06 | | RonB52734: And at that point, they either lose, or we have a perpetual. |
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| Feb-24-06 | | Cogano: <WannaBe> I don't know about you, or they for that matter, but if I were White, I'd play Qb5 first, not even a5 as <Ron> suggests. The reason for that
is that I later have the check at b6, after I advance the pawn to a5, as <Ron> suggests. But also, until then, I restrict Black's (our) movements! <Ron> Thank you most kindly for your glowing compliments. I didn't think that anything would come out of my line, especially since I'm so inexperienced & under-educated chess-wise. So, I now have something to be proud of. Great! :) Anyway, about the line you suggested, I'll have to consider it later, as I'm too tired (= sleepy) right now (12:32AM EST). Sorry about that. I'll try to get back to you
on it ASAP. In the meantime, if I understand things correctly, I'll post the current list of votes. Thanks again. Take very good care all & have a
great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-24-06 | | Robin01: Yes, 41...Re7 looks good. It's got my vote.
There are a couple of different moves white could make now. |
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| Feb-24-06 | | Cogano: Dark Horses Votes List:
Team Captain <RonB52734>'s Vote: 41...Re7 Team Member <Robin01>'s Vote: 41...Re7 Team Member <WannaBe>'s Vote: 41...Re7 Team Member <Cogano>'s Vote: 41...Re7 Team Member <Sitzkrieg>'s Vote: Pending! With all due respect to Member <Sitzkrieg>, there are enough votes to qualify as a majority. So I guess you can go ahead & post 41...e7 as our move Captain <Ron>! Take very good care all & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-24-06 | | sitzkrieg: Yup. dont wait for me! (besides i vote for re7 too) |
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| Feb-24-06 | | RonB52734: Okey dokey! |
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| Feb-24-06 | | Cogano: <Ron> I sincerely hope this finds you well. I'm sorry but I'm torn about Re7. I've done a lot of thinking. I reached the following conclusions: They have 3 options for their King:
1) Move Queenside
2) Stay in the centre
3) Move Kingside
If they don't move their Queen, their King MUST pass in front or behind it to
get to the Queenside. I sincerely doubt
they'll be naive enough to do that. But we need to be ready to take advantage of that. If they keep their Queen at b3, move their pawn to a5, & move their
King Queenside, we'll have only the 1st & 8th ranks available to use for a double attack against King & Queen. But
I sincerely doubt it'll ever happen. I'm sorry I can't be of much further help, as my lack of chess knowledge & playing experience is really paralyzing
my ability to contribute now that they've played Kd3, which is a much better move than I thought it was or gave them credit for. To my mind, it seemed logical to go to the Kingside & advance on both sides of the board, since we can't be on both sides at the same time & we need our pieces to stop the pawns at either side! Now, I foresee 3 possibilities, if they move their King Queenside, without passing in front or behind their Queen: 1)They lose pawn & we keep both pieces.
2)They lose pawn & Queen & we keep 1 piece.
3)They lose pawn & Queen & we lose both pieces --> we lose or draw. Not to be pessimistic, we're gonna need all the luck we can get. Take very good
care & have a great day & a great weekend. Cheers mate! :) |
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| Feb-24-06 | | Robin01: All is quiet. I will be gone most of the day tomorrow. Will be back tomorrow evening around 7:00 or so. |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Cogano: Good luck with whatever you're engaged in tomorrow Robin & I hope you enjoy it. Take very good care & have a great day. Fare thee well melady! :) Ron, & all other Dark Horses members who are interested, I came up with another line that I could use some feedback on: 41.Kd3 Re7, 42.a5 Bc5, 43.Kc4 Re3, 44.Qb5 Ba7, 45.a6 Bb6, 46.Kd5 Rc3, 47.Ke6 Rc6+, 48.Kf7 Bd4, 49.Qa4 Rd6, 50.Kg8 Rd8+, 51.Kh7 Bf6, 52.a7 Kb7, 53.a8=Q+ Rxa8, 54.Qxa8+ Kxa8, 55.Kg6 Kb7, 56.Kh5 Kc6, 57.h4 Kd6, 58.g4 Ke6, 59.g5 hxg5, 60.hxg5 Be7, 61.Kg6 Ke5, 62.Kh5 Kf5, 63.Kh4 Bxg5 & we queen next, for they can't stop the pawn so long as it's assisted by both King AND bishop! Take very good care all & have a great day & a great weekend. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-25-06 | | RonB52734: Interesting. They're down to less than an hour. I don't think this has happened often. |
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| Feb-25-06 | | sitzkrieg: Thats Good news! |
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| Feb-25-06 | | sitzkrieg: They moved their queen to c3 though. |
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Feb-25-06
| | WannaBe: 42.Qc3+
click for larger viewNow, do we have 5 options, 42...Kb8, Kb7, Kb6, Kd8, Kd7 =) |
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| Feb-25-06 | | RonB52734: Here's the position after 42.Qc3+
click for larger viewNeed to study this. ...Bc5 is out, so the options are ...Kb_ (which seems very risky) or ...Kd_. At first glance, ...Kd8 looks logical.
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Feb-25-06
| | WannaBe: I'm off to see my tax acct. and get my 1040 filled out. Be back in a few hours... |
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| Feb-25-06 | | sitzkrieg: I vote Kd8. We keep close to the rook and always can avoid the pin of the bishop by putting the rook in between. |
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| Feb-25-06 | | Cogano: Hello all & I sincerely hope this finds you well. I, for one, vote for 42...Kd7. Any other square will lead to other checks after which we don't really have any good squares to move to from there. Unless you want to try to force a draw in the current position. I'll give this some more thought (I just logged on & learned of their move so I haven't had a chance to assess the position at all!). Take very good care all & have a great day & a great weekend too. Cheers mates! :) <WannaBe> You've no idea how much of a relief it was for me when my sister became a chartered accountant! No more worries so long as we both shall live! So I wish you the best of luck buddy. Take very good care & have a great day & a great weekend too. Cheers mate! :) |
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