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Feb-27-06
 | | WannaBe: Currently Option 1 - Peru, Option 2, Holland. |
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| Feb-27-06 | | Cogano: <sitzkrieg> I'm not sure I understand. You mean Qd4 if we play Rc7? I'll assume that's what you mean & analyze the position & get back to you. Thanks for pointing that out. Have a good night mate. Cheers! :) |
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| Feb-27-06 | | Robin01: Although I can see nothing alarming about the move 43...Rc7+, I do not like it because I think chasing their queen is a bad idea. We might possibly chase it to a better square. Also, by putting our rook on c7, the bishop then is blocked from going to b8, which I believe is a good square for the bishop (well, at least right now). So if we move the rook to c7 and chase their queen, then I think we have to move the rook again to give our bishop access to the b8 square. Anyhow, this is getting too wordy. I do not like the idea of chasing their queen. I also do not like the idea of blocking our bishop's path on the queen side. My vote stays with 43...Bb8. |
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| Feb-27-06 | | Robin01: We might also need the bishop on a7 later to block the white pawn advance. |
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Feb-27-06
| | WannaBe: <Robin01: ...I do not like the idea of chasing their queen. I also do not like the idea of blocking our bishop's path on the queen side.> I do not like green eggs & ham? <Robin01> I am? :-) I'll vote Bb8, then we can possibly go Ba7 and still be protected by the rook on the 7th. |
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| Feb-27-06 | | RonB52734: I agree with Robin. Rc7 is bad for the reasons mentioned. I think the choice is between Bb8 or Rd7, recognizing that we may end up playing both moves in succession anyway. I think they're very close, but I'm prepared to vote for Bb8 based on Robin's analysis. I'm going to bed. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | Cogano: Note: In the event you need to vote & submit the team's move before I can get
back to you, I persist with my vote for Rc7+.
Hi folks. I don't want to seem argumentative or ungrateful. But it would help a great deal if you'd explain your move choice. Ever since I joined the team, I strived to do that. I always provided a line of play as many moves deep as I can make it, always doing my best to choose what appears to me to be the best move for both sides, to demonstrate the potential of the move, & the/any possible resulting position(s). Right now, you keep insisting on Bb8. But, you have yet to demonstrate how that is
a good move. I don't think I need to point out that on the 8th rank, the bishop's movements are most limited & cumbersome, AND, critically, it paralyzes the rook to the 7th rank to guard the g7-pawn! We can't move it for
any purpose that might later present itself because of that. In that instance, we must first waste at least 1 to 2 moves to get the bishop to a secure square from which it can protect
the pawn! I hope you can take the time to quantify your latest move proposal. Thank you most kindly for your anticipated & continued patience, tolerance, understanding, consideration
& assistance. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) P.S. Rd7 just allows the King to move further Queenside to assist with the pawn advance. As for Bb8, you allow the
pawn to advance to a6 with impunity. You want to make it as difficult as possible for them to advance the pawn, not fascilitate it & aim to capture on a7! I fail to see how that helps our position & future goals! |
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| Feb-28-06 | | Chess Classics: Here are your pairings for the Chessgames.com Correspondance Invitational: ♔ Pairings for WANNABE ♔
EmperorAtahualpa-WannaBe
WannaBe-Swapmeet
Averageguy-WannaBe
WannaBe-hitman84
RonB52374-WannaBe
WannaBe-mandar
blingice-WannaBe
WannaBe-THE pawn
aw1988-WannaBe
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Good luck!
Regards,
CC |
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| Feb-28-06 | | blingice: I at least caught a break playing white against you... |
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Feb-28-06
| | WannaBe: <blingice> The timing is rather bad... I'm trying to finish one game with <Averageguy> and <aw1988>, not to mention this consultation game. Arrgh... I can't post/visit your forum, so we'll have to try to communicate here... |
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| Feb-28-06 | | blingice: Ah yes, I now remember why the consultation game members can't go. I was confused when <hitman> said he couldn't go. To be honest, there isn't any kibitzing going on, but whatever. Honesty is honesty. Where do you have correspondence chess memberships? Second thought, I'll talk to you tomorrow, because it's about 2 AM and I have a chemistry test to study for tomorrow morning. Good night! (even though it is probably good morning where you live, no?) |
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| Feb-28-06 | | RonB52734: Geez, I just barely made it to the office in time to post our move! We had a few little inches of snow overnight, which typically causes recto-cranial inversion for most Pittsburgh drivers (I guess it keeps their ears warm, I don't really know). As a result, it took me 90 minutes to make the normal 25 minute drive to work. On the subject of our Rook being stuck on the 7th rank, and us needing to angle to capture the pawn on a7 (or b8), I think that's pretty much the nature of this position. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | RonB52734: Here's the current position after 43...Bb8:
click for larger view |
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| Feb-28-06 | | RonB52734: 44.Qb4 Rd7+ 45.Kc4 Rc7+ with Kc8 to follow, perhaps |
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| Feb-28-06 | | sitzkrieg: Good work making it in time!.
Line seems plausible. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | Robin01: Yes, good work making it in time. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | sitzkrieg: I am wondering if we should give the king the chanche to go to our pawns. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | sitzkrieg: A long, long time ago, in a ..eh.. A long time ago I said that we could keep it even if we had the bishop at a7, the rook at f7 or e7 and the king near the rook. But then I thought we couldnt achieve this position, and also still had some questions about the king coming towards our pawns. Now we have exactly such a position, with their king cut off, and it cant help with advancing the pawn as long as we have the bishop on a7 and the rook on the row. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | sitzkrieg: Therefore it might be prudent to keep the white king on its current side, so no checks. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | RonB52734: There are also some interesting plays if we do keep the Rook on e7. If their Queen moves away from its threat on g7, our Rook potentially threatens some skewers or forks up on e2 and e3. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | RonB52734: <Good work making it in time!> Yes, I'm sure that little old lady and her dog who were in the crosswalk will understand. When they regain consciousness! :) |
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| Feb-28-06 | | sitzkrieg: Qc6 troubles me. We have to check then? for on Rc7 Qa8 and we are tied? But on Qc6 Rd7 Ke4 Re7 Kf5 Rf7 Kg4 (kg6 fails to Rf6 and queen sac doesnt work either)Rf4 Kh5 Rf5 we have a perpetual. The king escapes but cant do anything. This is analysis without real board so might be errors, even more then usual. |
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| Feb-28-06 | | sitzkrieg: LOL Ron! But no ; IF they regain consciousness? |
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| Feb-28-06 | | Cogano: A few notes:
Kc8 won't do much good so long as the Queen is on the b-file, preventing the King from assisting rook & bishop in stopping the a-pawn. It is a great assumption that they'll push the a-pawn to the 7th rank & make it easier for us to capture with the bishop & rook team. I think it much likelier that they'll keep it at a5 or advance it to a6 & keep it there. At a6, it is even more problematic. The threat is always there of further advance. &, on that square, only the rook & King can capture it. But, with the bishop on b8, & the ever constant threat to our g7-pawn, the rook is stuck on the 7th rank to defend it. That leaves the King, whose movements are limited by their Queen! There is also the possibility that they'll try to get the King to the 6th rank on the Queenside with the idea of exchanging Queen for bishop & rook & queening the a-pawn. Also, what if they play Qc6? Now we can't move the King to c8. I know that if I were White, I'd play Qc6 because it is more problematic for us (Black). It prevents the King from going Queenside & maintains a threat of going
to a8. It is a threat if the King remains on the 8th rank. It is also a threat if the bishop is on a7 & the King can't retreat Kingside when checked, thus forcing him on the 7th rank between rook & bishop, losing the bishop! To my mind, even in an endgame, a central square is always more preferrable to a border square. From c5
or even better d4 the bishop can continue guarding the a7-square as well
as add another guard for the g7-pawn. Then it becomes easier to move either bishop or rook as need be, because the other one is still guarding the g7-pawn! Just some things to consider. Do get back to me with your feedback. Take very good care & have a great day. Cheers mates! :) |
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| Feb-28-06 | | sitzkrieg: <Also, what if they play Qc6? Now we can't move the King to c8.> Check my line and let me know what you think. |
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