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<Jer 20:10-13
Jeremiah said:
"I hear the whisperings of many:
'Terror on every side!
Denounce!
Let us denounce him!'
All those who were my friends are on the watch for any misstep of mine.
Perhaps he'll be trapped; then we can prevail, and take our vengeance on him.
But the LORD is with me, like a mighty champion: my persecutors will stumble, they will not triumph.
In their failure, they will be put to utter shame, to lasting, unforgettable confusion.
O LORD of hosts, you who test the just, who probe mind and heart, let me witness the vengeance you take on them, for to you, I have entrusted my cause.
Sing to the LORD,
praise the LORD,
for he has rescued the life of the poor
from the power of the wicked!">
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<1 Corinthians 13
13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
9 For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; 10 but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. 13 And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.>
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<The Promise of the Lord's Coming
The Second Letter of Peter
Chapter 3
1 This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you; in them I am trying to arouse your sincere intention by reminding you
2 that you should remember the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets, and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken through your apostles.
3 First of all you must understand this, that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and indulging their own lusts
4 and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since our ancestors died, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation!?
5 They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago and an earth was formed out of water and by means of water,
6 through which the world of that time was deluged with water and perished.
7 But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the godless.
8 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.
9 The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and everything that is done on it will be disclosed.
11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, what sort of persons ought you to be in leading lives of holiness and godliness,
12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set ablaze and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire?
13 But, in accordance with his promise, we wait for new heavens and a new earth, where righteousness is at home.
Final Exhortation and Doxology
14 Therefore, beloved, while you are waiting for these things, strive to be found by him at peace, without spot or blemish;
15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
16 speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
17 You therefore beloved, since you are forewarned, beware that you are not carried away with the error of the lawless and lose your own stability.
18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity.
Amen.>
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<Psalm 23
The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall not want.
2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.>

   chancho has kibitzed 44554 times to chessgames [more...]

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chancho: Look who's back!

   Sep-20-25 Chessgames - Sports

chancho: I see nary a mention of Terrance Crawford defeating Canelo Alvarez on this page. First guy to win undisputed championships in three weight divisions. Henry Armstrong won three back in the 30's, but they were not undisputed. Manny Pacquiao won 8... but again, not undisputed. Crawford

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chancho: More, More, More. (Andrea True)

   Jun-07-25 Norway Chess (2025)

chancho: He left the championship on his own terms. He has won everything in sight. No better way to exit the stage.

   Jun-03-25 D Gukesh vs Carlsen, 2025

chancho: Also called: The Angry Fist.

   May-27-25 Carlsen vs D Gukesh, 2025

chancho: <Poor is the apprentice who does not surpass his Master.”" - Leonardo da Vinci>

   May-24-25 Bogdan Pietrusiak

chancho: His highest rating was 2310 according to this link which translates in Polish and Spanish: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogda...

   May-09-25 Chessgames - Music

chancho: All this Steely Dan talk... Here's a song from 1973: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h-...

   Apr-29-25 perfidious chessforum

chancho: Perf, just heard about this: <The White House has hit back against a reported plan by Amazon to detail the price impact of Donald Trump's trade tariffs to its customers, calling it a "hostile" political act.> https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c... It's like, how dare Amazon

   Apr-26-25 John Eyre

chancho: From Tournament: 33rd Hastings Premier 1957/58... One-Week Open B: (1) <John Eyre> (London N14) 4½/5; (2) Peter Merrett (East Grinstead) 3½; (3) William Arnold Parkin-Moore (Mitcheldean) 2½; (4) N. W. Robinson 2; (5) R. L. Baker 1½; (6) Lewis James Worsell 1. ...

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Jun-15-08		kwid: Jun-14-08 - PART ONE- < sentriclecub: Same thoughts here... tell us at which move # did...> <--the opening end? > BOTH SITES COMPLETED ITS PLANED DEVELOPMENT click for larger view With Na6 black reached his opening goal. His short term plan prepared to deal with d5. While his over horizon plan is to use his battering ram f5 to break open the defensive wall around the white king. His next move Kh8 clears g8 making space to for his heavy guns in preparation to launch a King side pawn storm. Rd1 completed whites opening plan seemingly based to prevent black from advancing his backward pawn e7. Whites long term plan deals with the threat of a king side attack via f5-f4 with a counter strike in the center of the board trying to open a line to infiltrate blacks forces from behind. This proven idea is considered the best method to cope with any potential wing attacks. For this reason an attacker must take into account the threats stemming from an open center line against his own king position or placements of pieces which are set up in support of the attack and vulnerable against a counter strike from the rear. <--an advantage was realized?> NOT FORCED DUE TO WHITES PLAY At the end of the opening phase click for larger view White has achieved his goal to allow black to equalize with e5. But this was never included in blacks strategy to play for a win. He assumed that whites options to maintain its initiative is limited to an early d5 allowing then to play e5 and after de6 Be6 where the battering ram f5 is still trump against any threats from white. In an attempt to define an advantage we can see that black has achieved his set goal. His pieces are equally developed when compared to the whites development including the control of space. But white has maintained the initiative and kept the position flexible in light of a king side attack forcing a center play against this threat. <--a win seemed equally likely as a draw> YES At the completion for the fight to control the center click for larger view blacks plan to secure the center before launching a risky king side attack cost him tempos and space without any significant improvements. Whites queen placement in support of a center break kept black of balance but with no visible long term plans its seemingly starts to lose its initiative in order to force an exploitable weakness.

Jun-15-08		kwid: - RART TWO - <--a win seemed 75% likely> YES ONLY AFTER RC7 After blacks tempo loosing Rc7 instead of getting his king to d6 in support of his connected center pawns and giving him a superior king position his position is hopelessly lost. Blacks only viable defence is to trade one rook pawn to limit white option to play on one side of the board minimizing the rooks long range across the board. His short range knight together with his well place king would then have an excellent chance to hold a draw. click for larger view click for larger view click for larger view click for larger view In the position reached above black has no defence against whites plan to establish an outside passer giving white the option to mate blacks king on any desirable square at blacks choosing.

Jun-15-08		kwid: ERROR CORRECTION in part one: White has achieved his goal < not > to allow black to equalize with e5. But this was never included in blacks strategy to play for a win. He assumed that whites options to maintain its initiative is limited to an early d5 allowing then to play e5 and after de6 Be6 where the battering ram f5 is still trump against any threats from white

Jun-16-08		Ron: Concerning what opening we should play in GMAN: If he plays e4, I'm with those who say play the Najdorf. Let me lay my cards on the table: I don't usually play the Sicilian Defense as Black; yet why do I advocate the Najdorf here? Well, its a system favored by Fischer and Kasparov, and I think with the resources of the World Team we can navigate the narrow path to victory. Also, the 'human' element can come into play here, to our advantage. We can come up with sacrifices which the comp may under-estimate at first, but with 'sliding forward' methods and use of analysis teams show to be good.

Jun-17-08		kwid: Jun-16-08 < Ron: If he plays e4, I'm with those who say play the Najdorf. > Yes, it would be a good choice for us and quite challenging. I looked at h3,Be3 and Bg5 before. What about g3 or Be2? Do we play e5 which could lead to the recent M.Adams vs Svidler game? I looked at this game briefly and found Svidler's appraoch questionable. But the best I could do was a BOC endgame draw with one pawn down. We need some work to improve on my take for it. Here is my line: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Be3 Be6 10.Qd2 Nbd7 11.a4 Qc7 12.Rfd1 Rac8 13.a5 Rfe8 14.h3 h6 15.Qe1 Bf8 click for larger view 16.Bf3 [ 16.Rd2 Qc6 17.Bf3 Qc7 18.Qd1 b5 19.axb6 Nxb6 20.Na5 Nc4 21.Nxc4 Bxc4 22.b3 Bxb3 23.cxb3 Qxc3 24.Rxa6 Rb8 25.Rd3 Qc8 26.Ra4 d5 27.Bd2 Qb7 28.Qe1 Ra8 29.Rxa8 Qxa8] 16...Qb8 17.Nc1 Rc7 18.N1e2 [ 18.N1a2 Rec8 19.Nb4 Rc4 20.Ncd5 Nxd5 21.exd5 Bf5 22.c3 Re8 23.Be2 Rcc8] 18...Rec8 19.Rdb1 b5 20.axb6 Nxb6 21.Rxa6 Nc4 22.Bc1 Nb6 23.Ng3 d5 24.exd5 Nbxd5 25.Nxd5 Nxd5 26.Qxe5 Rxc2 27.Rxe6 Rxc1+ 28.Rxc1 Rxc1+ 29.Kh2 Nc7 30.Rc6 Rxc6 31.Bxc6 Qb6 32.Bf3 g6 33.b3 Bd6 34.Qb2 Ne6 35.Bd5 Nf4 36.Bc4 Qc6 37.Bf1 Nh5 38.Qd2 Nxg3 39.fxg3 Qc7 40.Qe3 Qe7 41.Qxe7 Bxe7 42.g4 f5 43.gxf5 gxf5 44.Bd3 f4 45.g4 fxg3+ 46.Kxg3 Kf7 ½-½

Jun-18-08		DanLanglois: <kwid: Collectively we would be invincible if the majority is persuade that the chosen road is our best line worth spending their time analysing the various alternatives and propose to change direction if a better way for us can be found. 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Be3 Be6 10.Qd2 Nbd7 11.a4 Qc7 12.Rfd1 Rac8 13.a5 Rfe8 14.h3 h6 15.Qe1 Bf8 But the best I could do was a BOC endgame draw with one pawn down. > 13...Rfd8, maybe. For example, if 14. h3, then 14...Nc5 (15. Nxc5 dxc5 16. Qe1 Rxd1 17. Qxd1 Rd8 & spectactular, Black might even be grabbing the initiative, here..) click for larger view

Jun-18-08		DanLanglois: <hms123: One further point: there are really two tasks for this forum: 1. coming up with a set of strategies and rationales for those strategies, and 2. figuring out how to communicate those strategies and rationales to the larger group in a way that leads to intelligent decision-making by the team. The latter task is every bit as important as the former. As a lawyer might put it, you've got to convince the jury. > Hmmm. One cheap shortcut worth considering, here, is for us to settle at the outset on charting our course within only the most popular of the opening schemes. We probably can't push an offbeat opening upon the team anyway, so we might as well get starting doing deeper analysis on something very mainstream. 1.e4 c5 (Nadjorf) ..easy to sell ('Kasaparov played it, good enough for Fischer') 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 & any thoughts? ..most solid Black defense is said to be the NimzoIndian, is it too drawish 4 us?

Jun-18-08		Ron: <DanLanglois Hmmm. One cheap shortcut worth considering, here, is for us to settle at the outset on charting our course within only the most popular of the opening schemes. We probably can't push an offbeat opening upon the team anyway, so we might as well get starting doing deeper analysis on something very mainstream. 1.e4 c5 (Nadjorf) ..easy to sell ('Kasaparov played it, good enough for Fischer') 1.d4 Nf6 2. c4 & any thoughts? ..most solid Black defense is said to be the NimzoIndian, is it too drawish 4 us? s> It would be "cheap shortcut worth considering" to go with the most popular opening schemes, as you say. But the thought just occurred to me that perhaps we should play a opening scheme that is good though perhaps under-rated. Fischer playing Alekhine's Defense in his 1972 match with Spassky would be a good example of this. But against e4 I am fine to go with the Nadjorf. As to 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4, I'm ok with the NimzoIndian. I'm leaning toward the Slav though. And if GMAN plays wild stuff like the Meran, or the Shabalov-Shirov Gambit, we can handle it.

Jun-18-08		Ron: Some second thoughts on the Semi-Slav...this database shows that GMAN has not lost when he faced the Semi-slav http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... and not only that, it seems that lately he favors the Shirov-Shabalov gambit and has done very well with it.

Jun-19-08		truefriends: Whatever opening we play we must aim for an <OPEN GAME>! Our computerpower will be more usefull in that way. If GMAN succeeds in closing the game than his CC-experience will be a greater factor. So Najdorf seems an excellent choice. Against d4 semi Slav seems to head for a very closed game. So i think it is not the way to go for after d4 :-)

Jun-19-08		kb2ct: Has anyone but me looked at the way Svidler plays the Marshall?? [Event "Aerosvit"] [Site "Foros UKR"] [Date "2008.06.15"] [Round "7"] [White "Volokitin, And"] [Black "Svidler, P."] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Qe2 Bg4 16. Qf1 Rae8 17. Rxe8 Qxf1+ 18. Kxf1 Rxe8 19. Kg2 Bf5 20. Nd2 Re1 21. a4 b4 22. Nf3 Be4 23. Bc2 Ne3+ 24. Bxe3 Bxf3+ 25. Kxf3 Rxa1 26. c4 Ra2 27. c5 Be7 28. Bc1 Bf6 29. Ke3 Ra1 30. Bd2 a5 31. Kd3 Kf8 32. Kc4 h6 33. Be4 Rxa4 34. Bxc6 Ra2 35. Bc1 Bg5 36. f4 Bf6 37. Be4 click for larger view Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit at 27 ply 1. = (0.00): 37...Ra1 38.Be3 Be7 39.d5 a4 40.d6 a3 41.dxe7+ Kxe7 42.c6 Re1 43.Bc5+ Kd8 44.Bb6+ 2. = (0.00): 37...Ke7 38.d5 Ra1 39.d6+ Kd7 40.Bf5+ Kc6 41.Be4+ Kd7 42.Bf5+ Kc6 43.Be4+ Kd7 44.Bf5+

Jun-19-08		kwid: Hi Ken, No. I never saw this game before. Do you suggest to play e5 hoping that he would not play an anti Marshall line? Even if he would allow us to play it we would face an opening line struggle with the team. Theory seem to reach at least 30 moves deep. In OTB blacks initiative is difficult to contain unless one knows the theory well for all lines. I know because I lost an important speed game with white. If we go for it we need to find improvements for my data which suggest a draw in all lines. Have a look at it: [Event "xxx"] [Site "xxx"] [Date "2008.06.15"] [Round "x"] [White "xxx"] [Black "xxx"] [Result "xxx"] [ECO "C89"] [Annotator "my data"] [PlyCount "81"] [EventDate "2008.??.??"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 (15. Bxd5 cxd5 16. Qf3 Rb8 17. Be3 h6 18. Nd2 b4 19. c4 dxc4 20. Nxc4 Bc7 21. d5 Rb5 22. a4 bxa3 23. Nxa3 Bg4 24. Qg2 Qxg2+ 25. Kxg2 Rxd5 26. Nc4 Bc8) ( 15. Re4 g5 16. Qf1 (16. Qf3 g4 17. Qe2 Bf5 18. Nd2 Nf6 19. Re3 c5 20. Nf1 Rac8 21. dxc5 Bxc5 22. Re5 Rce8 23. Rxe8 Rxe8 24. Ne3) 16... Qxf1+ 17. Kxf1 Bf5 18. f3 h6 19. Re1 Rfe8 20. Bxd5 cxd5 21. Rxe8+ Rxe8 22. Kf2 a5 23. a3 Bd3) (15. Qe2 Bg4 16. Qf1 Rae8 17. Rxe8 Qxf1+ 18. Kxf1 Rxe8 19. Kg2 Bf5 20. Nd2 Re1 21. a4 b4 22. Nc4 (22. Nf3 Be4 23. Bc2 Ne3+ 24. Bxe3 Bxf3+ 25. Kxf3 Rxa1 26. c4 Ra2 27. c5 Be7 28. Bc1 Bf6 29. Ke3 Ra1 30. Bd2 a5 31. Kd3 Kf8 32. Kc4 h6 33. Be4 Rxa4 34. Bxc6 Ra2 35. Bc1 Bg5 36. f4 Bf6 37. Be4 Ke7 38. c6 Ra1 39. Be3 Re1 40. Kd3 a4 41. d5 Rxe3+ 42. Kxe3 Kd6) 22... Bc7 23. Ne5 bxc3 24. bxc3 Bxe5 25. dxe5 Bd3 26. c4 Bf1+ 27. Kf3 Be2+) 15... Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Re6 18. a4 Qh5 19. axb5 axb5 20. Nf1 (20. Qf1 Bh3 21. Bd1) 20... Bf5 21. Qd2 Rfe8 22. Bd1 Qg6 23. Bf3 h5 24. Ra6 Bc7 25. b3 Nf4 26. h4 Bg4 27. Bh1 Nd3 28. Rea1 Bh3 29. Ra8 Bd8 30. Bg5 f6 31. Be3 Rd6 32. Rb8 Kh7 33. Ra7 Rg8 34. Qe2 Bg4 35. Bf3 Bxf3 36. Qxf3 Ne1 37. Qe2 Nd3 38. Nd2 Rd5 39. Rbb7 Kh8 40. Qf3 Kh7 41. Qe2 1-0

Jun-19-08		kwid: Jun-18-08 < DanLanglois: > < 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be2 e5 7.Nb3 Be7 8.0-0 0-0 9.Be3 Be6 10.Qd2 Nbd7 11.a4 Qc7 12.Rfd1 Rac8 13.a5 > your 13...Rfd8 suggestion expecting 14. h3 instead of 13...Rfe8 could lead to 4 more likely replys from white as shown below: 13. a5 Rfd8 (14. Nc1 Nc5 15. Bf3 Qc6 16. Nd5 Bxd5 17. exd5 Qd7 18. c4 e4 19. Be2 Ng4 20. b4 Nxe3 21. Qxe3 Bf6 22. Ra2 Na4 23. Rc2 Re8 24. Nb3 Nb2 25. Rb1 Na4 26. Nd4 Be5) (14. Qe1 Nc5 15. Nxc5 dxc5 16. Bf3 Rxd1 17. Qxd1 c4 18. Qe2 Bb4 19. Bb6 Qc6 20. Qe3 Nd7 21. Ba7 Nf6 22. Bb6 Nd7 23. Ba7 Nf6 24. Bb6) (14. Rdc1 Nc5 15. Nd5 Nfxe4 16. Nxc7 Nxd2 17. Nxc5 dxc5 18. Nxe6 fxe6 19. Rd1 Ne4 20. Rxd8+ Bxd8 21. Bf3 Nd6 22. Rd1 Be7 23. g4 Kf7 24. Kg2) (14.f3 h6 15. Bf1 h5 16. h3 g6 17. Qe1 Qc6 18. Ra4 Qc7)

Jun-20-08		Hugin: Kamsky,G (2726) - Paragua,M (2538) [B96] National Open Las Vegas USA (3), 07.06.2008 [Rybka 2.3.2a mp 32-bit (60s)] B96: Sicilian Najdorf: 6 Bg5 e6 7 f4, lines other than 7...Qb6 and 7..Be7 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Qc7 8.Bxf6 gxf6 9.Qd2 Nc6 10.Nb3 [10.0-0-0 Bd7 11.Kb1 0-0-0 12.Be2 h5 13.Rhf1 Kb8 14.Rf3 Nxd4 15.Qxd4 Be7 16.Qd2 Qc5 17.Rd3 Qf2 18.Rg3 h4 19.Rg7 Be8 20.Rf1 Qc5 21.f5 Bf8 22.Rg4 Bh6 23.Qd3 Bg5 24.e5 exf5 Brodsky,M (2509)-Zhelnin,V (2492)/Smolensk 1991/Replace/1/2-1/2 (41)] 10...b5N [10...Bd7 11.Be2 0-0-0 12.0-0-0 Kb8 13.Kb1 Bc8 14.Rhf1 Rg8 15.Bf3 Bh6 16.g3 Bg7 17.Rfe1 Ne7 18.f5 Nc6 19.Nd4 Ne5 20.Qe2 Bd7 21.Bg2 Rc8 22.Bf1 Qb6 1/2-1/2 Maksimenko,A (2437)-Tringov,G (2439)/JUG-chT2 1994/EXT 97; 10...h5 11.0-0-0 Bd7 12.Kb1 0-0-0 13.Be2 Kb8 14.Bf3 Na5 15.Qd4 Be7 16.f5 Nc4 17.h4 Rc8 18.Rc1 Bf8 19.Be2 Bh6 20.Rcf1 Ne3 21.Rf3 Nxg2 22.Qf2 Nf4 23.Rxf4 Bxf4 24.Qxf4 b5 25.a3 Llorens,M (2384)-Leitao,R (2566)/Santiago 2004/1/2-1/2 (74)] 11.Bd3 Bb7 12.a4 b4 13.Ne2 Rg8 14.g3 [14.0-0 Rd8=] 14...0-0-0 15.0-0-0 d5 16.exd5 Rxd5 17.Qe3 [17.Kb1 Be7=] 17...Na5 18.Bxh7 [>=18.Nxa5!? deserves consideration 18...Rxa5 19.Be4 Rxa4 20.Bxb7+ Kxb7 21.Kb1 ] 18...Nxb3+ 19.Qxb3 Rh8 20.Bd3 Ra5 21.Bc4 Bxh1 22.Rxh1 Qc6 23.Rd1 Rxh2 [23...Rxa4 24.Kb1 Rxh2 ] 24.Nd4? [>=24.Qd3!? Be7 25.b3 ] 24...Rxa4 25.Kb1 click for larger view 25... Rh1?? weakening the position [>=25...Rd2! Black has the better game 26.Be2 Rxd1+ 27.Bxd1 Qh1 ] 26.Bf1= Qd7 [26...Rxf1 27.Rxf1 Qe8 28.Rc1=] 27.Qf3 Qd5 28.Qxd5 exd5 29.Bxa6+ Rxa6 Black has a mate threat. 30.Rxh1 Bc5 31.Nf5 Kd7 32.Rh7 White pins: Rh7xf7 32...Ke6 33.Ng7+ Kd7 34.Rh5 Rd6 [34...Bf8 35.Nf5 ] 35.Ka2 Bf2 36.Kb3 1-0 Interesting game black had the upper hand after the opening 10...b5 looks like a good idea..

Jun-20-08		kwid: Jun-20-08 < Hugin: > We really need to consider what our chances for winning are if we chose the Naydorf. What will be our 7th move: 7...Qc7 click for larger view 7...Nbd7 click for larger view 7...Be7 click for larger view 7...Qb6 click for larger view The positions above are reached via the current best theoretical main lines.

Jun-20-08		kwid: 6.Bg5 variations. Note : in the poison pawn Qb6 white has a forced draw! <1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4> (7... Qc7 8. Bxf6 (8. Qe2 Nc6 9. O-O-O Nxd4 10. Rxd4 Be7) (8. Qf3 Be7 9. O-O-O Nbd7 10. g4 b5 11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. g5 Nd7) 8... gxf6 9. Qd2 Nc6 10. O-O-O Bd7 11. Kb1 h5 12. Bc4 O-O-O 13. Nxc6 Qxc6 14. Bb3 Kb8 15. Rhf1 Qc5 16. Qd3 h4 17. Qh3 Be7 18. f5 Qe5) (7... Nbd7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. O-O-O b5 10. a3 Bb7 11. g4 Be7 12. Bxf6 Bxf6 13. g5 Bxd4 14. Rxd4 O-O 15. Be2 e5 16. Rd2 f5 17. gxf6 Nxf6 18. f5 Rac8 19. Rg1 Qb6) (7... Be7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. O-O-O Nbd7 10. g4 b5 11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. g5 Nd7 13. a3 Rb8 14. h4 b4 15. axb4 Rxb4 16. Bh3 Qb6 17. Nf5 Bf8 18. Ne3 Qa5 19. Kb1 Bb7) 7...Qb6 8. Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. f5 Nc6 11. fxe6 fxe6 12. Nxc6 bxc6 13. Be2 Be7 14. O-O O-O 15. Rb3 Qc5+ 16. Be3 Qe5 17. Bf4 (17. Bd4 Qa5 18. Bb6 Qe5) 17... Qc5+ 18. Kh1 (18. Be3 Qe5) 18... Ng4 19. h3 e5 20. Na4 Qa7 21. Bc4+ Kh8 22. hxg4 exf4 23. Nb6 d5 24. exd5 cxd5 25. Bxd5 Rb8 26. Nxc8 Rbxc8 27. Rh3 Qb6 28. Re1 Bg5 29. Re6 Qd8 30. Qd3 Bh4 31. Be4 Qxd3 32. Bxd3

Jun-20-08		kb2ct: <kwid: Hi Ken, No. I never saw this game before. Do you suggest to play e5 hoping that he would not play an anti Marshall line?> Kurt,I definitely prefer e4, e5 to any Sicilian. It does not matter whether white plays an Anti-Marshall or not, black gets in Pd5 without saccing a pawn unless white plays Pd5 himself. I think the Marshall is a valuable draw line :0)

Jun-20-08		Hugin: kwid you also have an old variation 7..b5. I will look a bit into that, might be a surprise weapon.

Jun-20-08		DanLanglois: <kb2ct: Kurt,I definitely prefer e4, e5 to any Sicilian. > ah yes, this is going to be a dilemma, how do we resolve these disputes? We can't, for example, debate 1...e5 vs. 1...c5 forever.

Jun-20-08		DanLanglois: Perhaps we could form some kind of committee of 'openings vs. Nickel'. Members 2be composed of some particularly motivated players (among those already frequenting this forum)? Say, five members, i dunno. Then, this committee could resolve disputes like 1...e5 vs. 1...c5 by voting. This way, an entire repetoire can be hammered together w/less redundant effort & squabbling, & the committe can put forward a united front when it comes to promoting the prepared lines to the world team. I think it's a pretty good idea. I'd nominate kwid 2 such a team. And, just 2be clear, I'm probably not motivated enough (not enough free time this summer) to want to be on such a committe myself. But what about Hugin, & others?

Jun-20-08		DanLanglois: <kwid: 6.Bg5 variations. <1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4> (7... Be7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. O-O-O Nbd7 10. g4 b5 11. Bxf6 Nxf6 12. g5 Nd7 13. a3 Rb8 14. h4 b4 15. axb4 Rxb4 16. Bh3 Qb6 17. Nf5 Bf8 18. Ne3 Qa5 19. Kb1 Bb7) > 11...gxf6 click for larger view

Jun-20-08		kwid: Jun-20-08 < Hugin: kwid you also have an old variation 7..b5.> Yes, here is my data for it: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 b5 8. e5 ( 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. Bxf6 gxf6 10. a3 Bb7 11. Be2 Nc6 12. Nxc6 Bxc6 13. f5 O-O-O 14. fxe6 fxe6 15. Qxf6 Re8 16. O-O-O Bg7 17. Qf4 Bxc3 18. bxc3 d5 19. Qxc7+ Kxc7 20. exd5 Bxd5 21. Bf3) 8... dxe5 9. fxe5 Qc7 10. exf6 (10. Qe2 Nfd7 11. O-O-O Bb7 (11... Nc6 12. Nxc6 Qxc6 13. Qd3 h6 14. Be2 hxg5 15. Bf3 Qc7 16. Bxa8 Nxe5 17. Qd4 Rh4 18. Ne4 f5 19. Nd6+ Bxd6 20. Qxd6 Qxd6 21. Rxd6 Ke7) 12. Qg4 Qxe5 13. Be2 Bc5 14. Nf3 h5 15. Qh4 Be3+ 16. Kb1 Bxf3 17. Bxe3 Bxe2 18. Bd4 Qf5 19.Nxe2 O-O 20. h3 e5 21. Bc3 a5 22. g4 Qf3 23. Ng3 b4 24. Bd2) 10... Qe5+ 11. Be2 Qxg5 12. O-O (12. Qd3 Qxf6 13. Rf1 Qe5 14. Rd1 Ra7 15. Nf3 Qc7 16. Ng5 f5 17. Qd4 Qe7 18. Bh5+ g6 19. Qxh8 Qxg5 20. Bf3 Nd7 21. Qxh7 Qe3+ 22. Ne2 Ne5 23. Qh4 Bd7 24. Qd4 Qxd4 25. Nxd4 Nc4) 12... Qe5 (12... Ra7 13. Qd3 Rd7 14. Ne4 Qe5 15. Nf3 (15. c3 Bb7 16. Bf3 (16. Qg3 Qxg3 17. Nxg3 g6 18. Bf3 Bxf3 19. Nxf3 Bc5+ 20. Kh1 O-O 21.Ne4) 16... Bxe4 17. Bxe4 gxf6 18. Rae1 Bc5 19. Kh1 Bxd4 20. cxd4 Qxd4 21. Qg3 Ke7 22. Qg7 Rc8 23. Bf5 Rd6 24. Qxh7 Nd7 25. b3 Ne5 26. Bb1 Qd2 27. Qh4 Nd7 28. Qg3 Qg5 29. Qf2 Rd2 30. Re2 Rxe2 31. Qxe2 Rc1 32. Kg1 Rxf1+ 33. Qxf1 f5 34. Qe1 Qf4 35. g3 Qd4+) 15... Qxb2 16. Qe3 Bb7 17. a4) 13. Nf3 ( 13. Kh1 Ra7 14. Bd3 Rd7 15. Nf5 g6 16. Ng3 h5) 13... Bc5+ 14. Kh1 Qxf6 15. Ne4 Qe7 16. Ne5 f5 17. Bh5+ g6 18. Nxg6 hxg6 19. Bxg6+ Kf8 20. Nxc5 Rh6 21. Nxe6+ ( 21. Bh5 Ra7) 21... Bxe6 22. Bxf5 Bf7 23. Qf3 Nc6 24. Rae1

Jun-20-08		kwid: Jun-20-08 < DanLanglois: <kwid: 6.Bg5 variations. 11...gxf6 > 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Bg5 e6 7. f4 Be7 8. Qf3 Qc7 9. O-O-O Nbd7 10. g4 b5 11. Bxf6 gxf6 12. f5 (12. Bg2 Bb7 13. a3 Rc8 14. Rd2 Nb6 15. Rhd1 Nc4 16. Rd3 Bf8 17. Nb3 Bh6 18. Kb1 Rg8 19. Qg3 Ba8 20. Ka1 e5 ) 12... b4 (12... Ne5 13. Qh3 O-O 14. Nce2 (14. Rg1 Kh8 15. Nce2 Rg8 16. Rg3 Bd7 17. Nf4 Rac8 18. fxe6 fxe6 19. Qg2 Nxg4 20. Nfxe6 Bxe6 21. Nxe6 Qd7 22. Nd4 Ne3 23. Qh3 Qxh3 24. Bxh3 Rxg3 25. hxg3 Rg8 26. Rg1) 14... Bd7 15. Nf4 Nc6 16. Qh6 Nxd4 17. c3 Kh8 18. Rxd4 Rg8 19. Rd3 Qb7 20. Bg2 Bc6 21. Rh3 Rg7) 13. fxe6 bxc3 14. exd7+ Bxd7 15. e5 Qb8 16. Qxc3 fxe5 17. Nf5 h5 18. Bg2 Ra7 19. Qf3 hxg4 20. Qxg4 Rc7 21. Be4 Bxf5 22. Bxf5 Rh4 23. Qg8+ Bf8

Jun-20-08		DanLanglois: 2 get something started against 1. d4. 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nf3 b6 7. O-O Bb7 8. a3 Bd6 click for larger view

Jun-21-08		kwid: Jun-20-08 < DanLanglois: 2 get something started against 1. d4.> <1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Bd3 d5 6. Nf3 b6 7. O-O Bb7 8. a3 Bd6 > Here are my book lines for it: 9. cxd5 (9. b3 Nbd7 10. Nb5 Be7 11. Bb2 dxc4 12. bxc4 c5 13. Qe2 Re8 14. Rad1 a6 15. Nc3 cxd4 16. exd4 Qc7 17. Rfe1) (9. b4 dxc4 10. Bxc4 Nbd7 (10... a5 11. b5 Nbd7 12. Bb2 e5 13. Re1 e4 14. Nd2 Qe7 15. Be2 Rad8 16. f4 Nd5 17. Nxd5 Bxd5 18. Nc4 f5 19. Qc2 (19. Ne5 Qe6) 19... Qe6 20. Nxd6 cxd6 21. Rac1 Nf6 22. Qd2 Rc8 23. Rxc8 Rxc8 24. Rc1 Bb7 25. d5 Rxc1+ 26. Qxc1 Qc8 27. Qxc8+ Bxc8 28. Bd4) 11. Bb2 a5 12. b5 e5 13. Re1 e4 14. Nd2 Qe7 15. Be2 Rad8 16. f4 Nd5 17. Nxd5 Bxd5 18. Nc4 f5 19. Ne5 Qe6) (9. Nb5 Be7 10. b4 (10. cxd5 exd5 11. Qc2 c5) 10... dxc4 11. Bxc4 Nbd7 12. Bb2 c5 13. bxc5 bxc5 14. dxc5 Nxc5 15. Be5 a6 16. Qxd8 Rfxd8) 9... exd5 10. b4 a6 11. Qb3 Qe7 (11... Nbd7 12. a4 Qe7 13. Ba3 c6) 12. b5 axb5 13. Nxb5 Nbd7 14. Bb2 c5 15. dxc5 Nxc5 16. Qd1 Nxd3 17. Qxd3 Bc5 18. Nfd4 Qe4 19. Rfd1 Qxd3 20. Rxd3 Rfc8 21. Nf5 Ne8

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