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chancho
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<Jer 20:10-13

Jeremiah said:

"I hear the whisperings of many:
'Terror on every side!
Denounce!
Let us denounce him!'
All those who were my friends are on the watch for any misstep of mine.

Perhaps he'll be trapped; then we can prevail, and take our vengeance on him.

But the LORD is with me, like a mighty champion: my persecutors will stumble, they will not triumph.

In their failure, they will be put to utter shame, to lasting, unforgettable confusion.

O LORD of hosts, you who test the just, who probe mind and heart, let me witness the vengeance you take on them, for to you, I have entrusted my cause.

Sing to the LORD,
praise the LORD,
for he has rescued the life of the poor
from the power of the wicked!">

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<1 Corinthians 13

13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9 For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; 10 but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. 13 And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.>

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<The Promise of the Lord's Coming

The Second Letter of Peter

Chapter 3

1 This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you; in them I am trying to arouse your sincere intention by reminding you

2 that you should remember the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets, and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken through your apostles.

3 First of all you must understand this, that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and indulging their own lusts

4 and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since our ancestors died, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation!?

5 They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago and an earth was formed out of water and by means of water,

6 through which the world of that time was deluged with water and perished.

7 But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the godless.

8 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.

9 The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and everything that is done on it will be disclosed.

11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, what sort of persons ought you to be in leading lives of holiness and godliness,

12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set ablaze and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire?

13 But, in accordance with his promise, we wait for new heavens and a new earth, where righteousness is at home.

Final Exhortation and Doxology

14 Therefore, beloved, while you are waiting for these things, strive to be found by him at peace, without spot or blemish;

15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,

16 speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.

17 You therefore beloved, since you are forewarned, beware that you are not carried away with the error of the lawless and lose your own stability.

18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity.

Amen.>

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<Psalm 23

The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.>

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Jul-10-08  kwid: Jul-10-08
<imag>
It seems you are suggesting for us to consider a set up with d5. We would need to prepare a strong case for it in order to get it voted in.

I looked at KI again, but have to admit that it may not be our cup of tea. To pry open his king side with our apparent shortsightedness plus a negative evaluation for such a plan seems to be a no go.

I predict a QI again. I was hoping we get Ceri Evans to help us out. You are from England right? Did you ever face Ceri in any competition? He is very strategical minded and therefor he would be a great asset to our more tactical leaning team.

Jul-10-08  imag: <kwid: It seems you are suggesting for us to consider a set up with d5.>

In my opinion only Slav/Semi-Slav or QID/NID have a chance to be voted for. So I'm just analyzing these options. I also try to see in which positions our future opponent feels uncomfortable. Does he like sharp positions or quieter positional play? Closed/open positions? and so on...

I'm not from England so I don't know Ceri Evans, sorry.

Jul-10-08  kb2ct: <kwid:
I predict a QI again. I was hoping we get Ceri Evans to help us out.>

Ceri is very good and has a lot of tricks. He knows for example all about the horizon effect in the KI.

Ceri also seems to know very quickly what chess engine the opponent is using and sets traps not for the person but the engine. I guess he no longer is the highest rated player on Kingcrusher's site, but he has taken off nearly a year and number 2 isn't bad.

:0)

Jul-10-08  kwid: Are these lines the currently best according to the latest theory?

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 c6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Qc2 Bd6

7.g4 dxc4 8.Bxc4 e5 9.g5 Nd5 10.Ne4 Bc7 11.Bd2 exd4 12.Nxd4 Ne5 13.Be2 0-0 14.0-0-0 Re8 15.Kb1 Bb6 16.Rhg1 Bxd4 17.exd4 Ng6 18.Rde1 Bf5 19.Bg4 Nh4 20.Bxf5 Nxf5 21.Qd3 Qc7 22.Nf6+ Nxf6 23.Qxf5 Nd5;

7.Bd3 dxc4 8.Bxc4 b5 9.Bd3 Bb7 10.0-0 0-0 11.e4 e5 12.dxe5 Nxe5 13.Nxe5 Bxe5 14.h3 Re8 15.Be3 Qe7 16.Rad1 a6 17.Ne2 c5 18.Bxc5 Qc7 19.f3 Rac8 20.Rc1 Qb8 21.Qd2 Rxc5 22.Rxc5 Qa7 23.b4 Nd7 24.Qe3 Nxc5 25.Rc1

7.Be2 0-0 8.0-0 dxc4 9.Bxc4 a6 10.Rd1 c5 11.a4 cxd4 12.exd4 Qc7 13.Qe2 Re8 14.h3 h6 15.Be3 Nb6 16.Bd3 Nbd5 17.Bd2 Bd7 18.Ne5 Bc6 19.Rac1 Nb4 20.Bb1 Qe7 21.Qe3 Rac8 22.Qg3 Nh5 23.Qg4 Nf6 24.Qh4 Rc7 ½-½

Jul-10-08  kb2ct: <kwid: Are these lines the currently best according to the latest theory?>

Pretty much although we can eliminate lines with 7. Bd3 and 7. Be2

[Event "Rapid Match"]
[Site "Yerevan ARM"]
[Date "2007.??.??"]
[White "Aronian,L"]
[Black "Kramnik,V"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2759"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[ECO "D15"]
[Round "4"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 Nd5 9. Ne4 Be7 10. Bd2 b6 11. Ng3 O-O 12. e4 Nb4 13. Qb3 c5 14. Bxb4 cxb4 15. O-O a6 16. Qe3 b5 17. Bd3 Bb7 18. g5 Rc8 19. Rad1 Qb6 20. Bb1 Rfd8 21. h4 Nf8 22. h5 Rc7 23. Qf4 Bd6 24. e5 Be7 25. Be4 Bc8 26. Bb1 Bb7 27. Be4 Bc8 28. Kh2 Rcd7 29. Bb1 Bb7 30. Ne4 Bxe4 31. Bxe4 g6 32. hxg6 Nxg6 33. Qe3 Bf8 34. Kg2 Bg7 35. Rh1 Qb8 36. Rc1 Qa7 37. Rh3 Rxd4 38. Rd1 Nf4+ 39. Kh2 Ne2 40. Rd2 Bxe5+ 41. Nxe5 Qc7 42. Bxh7+ Kf8 43. Rxe2 1-0

[Event "6th Karpov"]
[Site "Poikovsky RUS"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[White "Dreev,A"]
[Black "Dominguez,L"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2704"]
[BlackElo "2661"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "5"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. Bd2 O-O 10. O-O-O exd4 11. Nxd4 Ne5 12. Be2 Nexg4 13. Rhg1 Nxf2 14. Rdf1 Nh3 15. Rg2 Be5 16. Nf3 Qe7 17. Bd3 g6 18. Bc4 Ng4 19. Nxe5 Nxe5 20. Ne4 Kh8 21. Nf6 b5 22. Be2 Nd7 23. Bc3 Qxe3+ 24. Kb1 Nxf6 25. Rxf6 Kg8 26. Rgxg6+ fxg6 27. Rxg6+ Kf7 28. Rg7+ Ke6 29. Bg4+ Kd5 30. Qd1+ Ke4 31. Re7+ Kf4 32. Rxe3 Bxg4 33. Qd4+ Kg5 34. Qg7+ Kh5 35. Qxh7+ Kg5 36. Re5+ Rf5 37. Bd2+ 1-0

[Event "Keres Mem Rapid"]
[Site "Tallinn EST"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[White "Dobrov,V"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2487"]
[BlackElo "2726"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "5"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Ne4 Bc7 11. Bd2 exd4 12. Nxd4 Ne5 13. Be2 O-O 14. O-O-O Ba5 15. Rdg1 Bxd2+ 16. Qxd2 Qe7 17. Ng3 Rd8 18. Kb1 c5 19. Ndf5 Bxf5+ 20. Nxf5 Qe6 0-1

[Event "Amber Rapid"]
[Site "Monte Carlo MNC"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[White "Gelfand,B"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2696"]
[BlackElo "2713"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "8"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. Bd2 exd4 10. Nxd4 Nxg4 11. Ne4 Ndf6 12. O-O-O Nxe4 13. Qxe4+ Qe7 14. Qg2 O-O 15. Be2 Nf6 16. Rdg1 g6 17. Bd3 c5 18. Nb5 Rd8 19. Ba5 Be6 20. Bxd8 Rxd8 21. Nxd6 Rxd6 22. Rd1 Bxa2 23. Bc2 Bd5 24. e4 Bxe4 25. Bxe4 Nxe4 26. Rxd6 Nxd6 27. Qd5 Nf5 28. Kb1 b6 29. f4 Nd4 30. Rc1 Qe3 31. Qa8+ Kg7 32. Qxa7 Qe4+ 33. Ka2 Qxf4 34. Rc4 Qd6 35. Kb1 Nc6 36. Qa4 Nb4 37. Qb3 Qxh2 38. Qc3+ f6 39. Re4 Qd6 40. b3 h5 41. Kb2 g5 42. Ka3 Qh2 43. Re7+ Kg6 0-1

[Event "Amber Rapid"]
[Site "Monte Carlo MNC"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[White "Vallejo Pons,F"]
[Black "Bareev,E"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2686"]
[BlackElo "2709"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "9"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 exd4 11. Qe4+ Qe7 12. Qxd4 Ne5 13. Nxe5 Bxe5 14. Nxd5 cxd5 15. Bb5+ Kf8 16. Qxd5 Bxb2 17. Rb1 Be6 18. Qe4 Ba3 19. Bc4 Bxc4 20. Qxc4 b6 21. Rg1 Re8 22. Rg4 h5 23. Rf4 Bd6 24. Bb4 Bxb4+ 25. Rxb4 g6 26. h4 Kg7 27. Qc3+ Qe5 28. Rbc4 Qxc3+ 29. Rxc3 Re7 30. Rd4 Rhe8 31. Ke2 Re4 32. Rcc4 Rxd4 33. Rxd4 Re5 34. a4 Rc5 35. f4 Kf8 36. Re4 Rc1 37. Kf3 Rh1 38. Kg3 a5 39. Rc4 Rb1 40. Kf3 Ke7 41. Rc7+ Ke6 42. Rc6+ Kd7 43. Rf6 Ke7 44. Rc6 Rb4 45. Rf6 1/2-1/2

Jul-10-08  kb2ct: More

[Event "It"]
[Site "Bermuda BER"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[White "Gelfand,B"]
[Black "Shabalov,A"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2709"]
[BlackElo "2623"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "2"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 b6 9. e4 Bb7 10. e5 c5 11. exf6 Bxf3 12. fxg7 Rg8 13. Qxh7 Nf6 14. Bb5+ Ke7 15. Bg5 Bf4 16. Qh3 Bxh1 17. Bxf4 Qxd4 18. Qg3 Ne4 19. Qh4+ Qf6 20. g5 Qf5 21. O-O-O Rad8 22. Rxd8 Kxd8 23. Bd3 Rxg7 24. Nxe4 Rh7 25. Bc7+ 1-0

[Event "36th Olympiad"]
[Site "Calvia ESP"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[White "Shirov,A"]
[Black "Fressinet,L"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2726"]
[BlackElo "2640"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "6"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. Bd2 exd4 10. Nxd4 Ne5 11. Be2 Bxg4 12. f4 Ng6 13. Bxg4 Nxg4 14. Nf5 Nh4 15. Nxg7+ Kf8 16. O-O-O Nf2 17. Ne4 Nxd1 18. Rxd1 Be7 19. f5 Qb6 20. f6 Bb4 21. Bxb4+ Qxb4 22. a3 Qa5 23. Nc5 h6 24. Nf5 Ng6 25. Nd7+ Kg8 26. Ne7+ Kh7 27. Nxg6 fxg6 28. Ne5 1-0

[Event "Amber Blindfold"]
[Site "Monte Carlo MNC"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[White "Gelfand,B"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2709"]
[BlackElo "2736"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "2"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 exd4 11. Nxd4 O-O 12. Ne4 Ne5 13. Be2 Bb4 14. O-O-O Bxd2+ 15. Rxd2 Nb4 16. Qb3 Qe7 17. a3 c5 18. axb4 cxd4 19. exd4 Ng6 20. f3 Bf5 21. Bd3 Bxe4 22. fxe4 Qxg5 23. Kb1 Qxd2 0-1

[Event "Russian Blitz Internet Cup Sup"]
[Site "chessassistantclub.com INT"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[White "Bareev,E"]
[Black "Ovetchkin,R"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2715"]
[BlackElo "2473"]
[ECO "A13"]
[Round "10"]

1. c4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. d4 c6 4. e3 Nf6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. Bd2 exd4 10. Nxd4 Nb6 11. Be2 O-O 12. Nf5 Bxf5 13. Qxf5 Qe7 14. g5 Nfd5 15. Nxd5 Nxd5 16. O-O-O g6 17. Qg4 Be5 18. h4 Rad8 19. h5 Bg7 20. hxg6 fxg6 21. Qh4 Qe5 22. Qd4 Qxd4 23. exd4 Rxf2 24. Bg4 Bxd4 25. Rde1 Bxb2+ 26. Kxb2 Rxd2+ 27. Kb3 Rd3+ 28. Kb2 Re3 29. Be6+ Kg7 30. Bxd5 Rxe1 31. Rxe1 Rxd5 32. Re7+ Kg8 33. Rxb7 Rb5+ 0-1

[Event "Rapid KO"]
[Site "Leon ESP"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[White "Radjabov,T"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2670"]
[BlackElo "2713"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "7"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 exd4 11. Nxd4 O-O 12. Nxd5 cxd5 13. Bd3 g6 14. h4 Nc5 15. f4 Bg4 16. Bc3 Re8 17. Kf2 Qd7 18. h5 Nxd3+ 19. Qxd3 Re4 20. hxg6 fxg6 21. Rh4 Rf8 22. Ne2 Bc5 23. Nd4 Bd6 24. Rah1 Bxf4 25. exf4 Rexf4+ 26. Ke1 Qe7+ 27. Kd2 Qxg5 28. Kc2 Bd1+ 29. Rxd1 Rxh4 30. Kb3 Re4 31. Qb5 Qe7 32. Bb4 Re3+ 33. Ka4 a6 34. Qxd5+ Qf7 35. Qc5 Qe8+ 36. Nb5 Qxb5+ 37. Qxb5 axb5+ 38. Kxb5 Rf5+ 39. Kb6 Re6+ 40. Ka7 h5 41. Rd8+ Kf7 42. Rd7+ Kf6 43. Bc3+ Kg5 44. Kxb7 h4 45. a4 h3 46. a5 h2 47. Rd1 Rf7+ 0-1

Jul-10-08  kb2ct: Even though Kramnik lost, I like his retreat to e7 and his delay of 0-0

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 Nd5 9. Ne4 Be7 10. Bd2 b6 11. O-O-O Bb7 12. Kb1 b5 13. Bd3 a5 14. h4 Nb4 15. Bxb4 axb4


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Even though Rybka rates it nearly equal, black has nearly all the long term and short term chances.

:0)

Jul-11-08  hms123: <isemeria> recently said that <OK, I was wrong when I dismissed this preparation as "futile". It can be useful, but in a different way than what I thought.....But the point is to get familiar with the openings that may be played, and their typical structures.>

I agree completely. I am sure there are a number of others (like me) who are following the conversation closely as a way of preparing themselves as well. This forum may also serve the secondary purpose of educating that group and gaining its support.

Thanks.

Jul-12-08  imag: Kasparov destroys a computer with 7.g4:

Kasparov vs Deep Junior, 2003

Jul-12-08  kb2ct: Kasparov also played the classical against the Nimzo.

Gman's choices are beginning to make sense.

:0)

Jul-12-08  kwid: To keep our hopes alive for a win against MGAN we better start looking for hole in his opening book. His memory or book lines play a huge part in his games and is not likely to forget a key move at a critical position. We most likely reach 10..N7b6 move with our expected Nf6/e6/Nf3 Could someone check this Bxd5/Bb8 lines for me with a fast comp?

<1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 N7b6 >

11. Bxd5 cxd5 12. dxe5 Bb8 13. Rg1 O-O 14. O-O-O Be6 15. e4 Qc8 16. exd5 Bf5 17. Qb3 Be4 18. Rg3 Bxd5 19. Qc2

(19. Qb5 Bc4 20. Qa5 Be2 21. Re1 Nc4 22. Qb4 Bxf3 23. Rxf3 Nxe5 24. Rfe3 Nc4 25. Rd3 Nxd2)

19...Bxf3 20. Rxf3 Bxe5 21. Re1

(21. Re3 Nc4 22. Re4 Re8 23. Rde1 Nxd2 24. Qxd2 Rd8 25. Qc2 Bd4 26. f4 Qc5 27. Kb1 Rac8 28. Re7 b5 29. Qe4 g6)

21... Re8 22. Rfe3 Nc4 23. Re4 Nxd2 24. Qxd2 Rd8 25. Qe3 Bxc3 26. Qxc3 Kf8 27. Qxc8 Raxc8+ 28. Kb1 Re8 29. Rxe8+ Rxe8 30. Rc1 g6

BTW what is the purpose of the discussion on the main forum? Are we trying to make a point that voting based on evaluation points may be erroneous.

Jul-12-08  hms123: <kwid> yes--that's exactly the point(?) of the discussion. Perhaps there's more, but it did seem to go in circles.
Jul-12-08  kb2ct: <Kwid Could someone check this Bxd5/Bb8 lines for me with a fast comp?>

Gman won't get much help from the literature. It has been looked at reasonably deeply since the Kasparov-Deep Junior game and black scores pretty well. We of course need to do our own analysis.

:0)

[Event "Keres Mem Rapid"]
[Site "Tallinn EST"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[White "Dobrov,V"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2487"]
[BlackElo "2726"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "5"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Ne4 Bc7 11. Bd2 exd4 12. Nxd4 Ne5 13. Be2 O-O 14. O-O-O Ba5 15. Rdg1 Bxd2+ 16. Qxd2 Qe7 17. Ng3 Rd8 18. Kb1 c5 19. Ndf5 Bxf5+ 20. Nxf5 Qe6 0-1

[Event "Amber Rapid"]
[Site "Monte Carlo MNC"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[White "Vallejo Pons,F"]
[Black "Bareev,E"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2686"]
[BlackElo "2709"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "9"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 exd4 11. Qe4+ Qe7 12. Qxd4 Ne5 13. Nxe5 Bxe5 14. Nxd5 cxd5 15. Bb5+ Kf8 16. Qxd5 Bxb2 17. Rb1 Be6 18. Qe4 Ba3 19. Bc4 Bxc4 20. Qxc4 b6 21. Rg1 Re8 22. Rg4 h5 23. Rf4 Bd6 24. Bb4 Bxb4+ 25. Rxb4 g6 26. h4 Kg7 27. Qc3+ Qe5 28. Rbc4 Qxc3+ 29. Rxc3 Re7 30. Rd4 Rhe8 31. Ke2 Re4 32. Rcc4 Rxd4 33. Rxd4 Re5 34. a4 Rc5 35. f4 Kf8 36. Re4 Rc1 37. Kf3 Rh1 38. Kg3 a5 39. Rc4 Rb1 40. Kf3 Ke7 41. Rc7+ Ke6 42. Rc6+ Kd7 43. Rf6 Ke7 44. Rc6 Rb4 45. Rf6 1/2-1/2

[Event "Amber Blindfold"]
[Site "Monte Carlo MNC"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[White "Gelfand,B"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2709"]
[BlackElo "2736"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "2"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 exd4 11. Nxd4 O-O 12. Ne4 Ne5 13. Be2 Bb4 14. O-O-O Bxd2+ 15. Rxd2 Nb4 16. Qb3 Qe7 17. a3 c5 18. axb4 cxd4 19. exd4 Ng6 20. f3 Bf5 21. Bd3 Bxe4 22. fxe4 Qxg5 23. Kb1 Qxd2 0-1

[Event "Rapid KO"]
[Site "Leon ESP"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[White "Radjabov,T"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2670"]
[BlackElo "2713"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "7"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 exd4 11. Nxd4 O-O 12. Nxd5 cxd5 13. Bd3 g6 14. h4 Nc5 15. f4 Bg4 16. Bc3 Re8 17. Kf2 Qd7 18. h5 Nxd3+ 19. Qxd3 Re4 20. hxg6 fxg6 21. Rh4 Rf8 22. Ne2 Bc5 23. Nd4 Bd6 24. Rah1 Bxf4 25. exf4 Rexf4+ 26. Ke1 Qe7+ 27. Kd2 Qxg5 28. Kc2 Bd1+ 29. Rxd1 Rxh4 30. Kb3 Re4 31. Qb5 Qe7 32. Bb4 Re3+ 33. Ka4 a6 34. Qxd5+ Qf7 35. Qc5 Qe8+ 36. Nb5 Qxb5+ 37. Qxb5 axb5+ 38. Kxb5 Rf5+ 39. Kb6 Re6+ 40. Ka7 h5 41. Rd8+ Kf7 42. Rd7+ Kf6 43. Bc3+ Kg5 44. Kxb7 h4 45. a4 h3 46. a5 h2 47. Rd1 Rf7+ 0-1

[Event "Rapid KO"]
[Site "Leon ESP"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[White "Radjabov,T"]
[Black "Shirov,A"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2670"]
[BlackElo "2713"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Round "4"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 exd4 11. Nxd4 O-O 12. Nxd5 cxd5 13. Bd3 g6 14. h4 Ne5 15. Bc3 Bg4 16. Be2 Rc8 17. Bxg4 Nxg4 18. Qe2 Qd7 19. h5 1/2-1/2

Jul-12-08  kb2ct: 10...N7b6 appears to be a TN

:0)

Jul-12-08  kwid: Jul-12-08 <kb2ct: 10...N7b6 appears to be a TN> I don't think so. It only keeps the game even. We should be able to find a better defence yet.
We could use Guenter and Ceri for sure. Why don't you ask them to join us at this site?

I will be away for about 10 days.
Have fun.

Jul-13-08  kb2ct: Apparenty 10...N7b6 was played by a chess engine called Hedgehog on Playchess.com in 2006

two games, both draws but really quite different than Rybka pv's

:0)

Jul-13-08  Xenon Oxide: Has anyone considered <7...Bb4!?> against <1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4>? It is a popular move against the Shabalov -- why isn't anyone discussing it?
Jul-13-08  kb2ct: <Xenon Oxide: Has anyone considered <7...Bb4!?> against <1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4>? It is a popular move against the Shabalov -- why isn't anyone discussing it?>

Ph6 and Bb4 may be popular, but they are grossly inferior to dxc4

Even dxc4 tempts a piece sac and a pawn sac

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 c6 5.
e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 dxc4 8. Bxc4 e5 9. g5 Nd5 10. Bd2 N7b6 11. Bxd5 cxd5 12. dxe5 Bb8 13. Rg1 O-O 14. O-O-O Be6 15. e4 Qc8


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Analysis by Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit at 23 ply

1. = (0.18): 16.Be3 dxe4 17.Qxe4 Bxa2 18.g6 fxg6 19.Ng5 Rf5 20.f4 Nc4 21.Bd4 Nb6 22.Qc2 Be6

2. = (0.10): 16.Rg3 Re8 17.Re1 a5 18.a3 dxe4 19.Nxe4 Qxc2+ 20.Kxc2 Nc4 21.Bc3 Rc8 22.Kb1 Ra6

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Jul-13-08  zsoydd: with our HW collection, we are mabye the strongest tacticians ever

this will lead his preparations (prefer more strategic lines, avoid overly tatical lines at all costst) and should also lead our opening choice (strive for openings that result in complex dynamic equilibrium, and unusual position types)

though I usually prefer d4 Sf6 (with NI or QI in mind) I'd therefor suggest to play d4 d5 and try to get in one of the modern Slav lines

beware of NI or Catalan, in both systems white can avoid complications and still conserve some advantage, this seems not to be possible against the Slav like systems

Jul-14-08  isemeria: <kb2ct: <Xenon Oxide: Has anyone considered <7...Bb4!?> against <1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4>? It is a popular move against the Shabalov -- why isn't anyone discussing it?>

Ph6 and Bb4 may be popular, but they are grossly inferior to dxc4>

Why is that? Could you elaborate?

Jul-14-08  DanLanglois: <DanLanglois: Let's play one out: 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. e3 Nbd7 6. Qc2 Bd6 7. g4 h6 8. Bd2 Nxg4 9. Rg1 Nxh2 10. Nxh2 Bxh2 11. Rxg7 Qh4>

I'm looking to bust 7. g4 any takers? I don't have White's best play here?

Jul-14-08  kb2ct: <isemeria:
Ph6 and Bb4 may be popular, but they are grossly inferior to dxc4>

<Why is that? Could you elaborate?>

Mostly just a feeling. Ph6 creates a target and Bb4 wastes time. If Shirov, Shabalov and Kramnik all play dxc4, it very likely is best.

Jul-14-08  DanLanglois: very likely? This 'sounds plausible.' Is that the best we can do? I like 7...h6 for Black.
Jul-14-08  Hugin:

He wont play 7 g4 in that variation..But neverless here is the verdict/ideas.

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Qc2 Bd6 7.g4 h6 8.Bd2 dxc4 9.Bxc4 b5 10.Be2 Bb7 11.e4 Be7**

[11...b4 12.Na4 Be7 13.e5 Nd5 14.0-0 a5 15.Rfc1 Ba6 16.Bxa6 Rxa6 17.Qd3 Qa8 18.Rc2 Qb7 19.Rac1 0-0 20.b3 Rfa8 21.g5 hxg5 22.Nxg5 equal]

12.g5 hxg5 13.Nxg5 c5 14.dxc5 b4 15.Na4 Rh4 16.c6 Rc8 17.Bb5 a6

[17...Kf8 18.f4 a6 19.Qd3 Bxc6 20.Bxc6 Rxc6 21.Nf3 Rh3 22.0-0 Qa5 23.e5 Qxa4 24.exf6 Nxf6 25.Rac1 Rxc1 26.Rxc1 g6 27.Qc4 Nd5 28.Kg2 Rh5 29.a3 a5 30.Ne5 Kg7 31.Re1 Qe8 32.axb4 Qa8 33.Nf3 axb4 black wins]

18.cxd7+ Nxd7 19.Bxd7+ Qxd7 20.Qb3 Qb5

[20...Rd8 21.Be3 Bxg5 22.Nc5 Qe7 23.Rg1 Bxe3 24.Qxe3 g6 25.Rg2 Bc6 26.f3 Rh3 27.Kf1 Bb5+ 28.Kg1 Qf6 29.Rf2 Qe5 30.Rc1 Kf8 31.Rg2 Rd6 32.a4 bxa3 33.bxa3 Rd4 34.Kh1 Qd6 35.Qg1 e5 36.Rf2 Kg8 37.Qg4 Rh8 38.Qg5 Rh5 39.Qg1 Kg7 40.a4 Bxa4 41.Nxa4 Rxa4 42.Rcf1 Rh4 43.Ra1 Rxa1 44.Qxa1 Rh5 45.Qc1 black wins]

21.Nc3

[21.Rg1 Bxg5 22.Bxg5 Rxe4+ 23.Be3 Rg4 24.Rxg4 Bf3 25.Qd1 Bxd1 26.Rxd1 Rc2 27.Rd2 Rc1+ 28.Rd1 Rxd1+ 29.Kxd1 f5 30.Rh4 Qxa4+ 31.b3 Qxa2 32.Rxb4 g5 33.Rb6 Kd7black wins]

21...bxc3 22.bxc3 f6 23.Nxe6 Rxe4+ 24.Be3 g6 25.Nf4 Qxb3 26.axb3 Rxf4 27.Bxf4 Bxh1 28.Kd2 Bb7 29.Ra4 Kf7 30.Bg3 Ke6 31.h3 Rc5 32.h4 a5 33.Kc2 Bf3 34.Bf4 Rd5 35.Kb2 Rb5 36.Kc2 Rxb3 37.Rxa5 Rb6 38.Kd3 Rb2 39.Ra6+ Kf5 40.Bd2 Bg2 41.Ke2 Kg4 42.Ra4+ Kh5 43.Ra7 Bd6 44.Kd1 Kxh4 45.Kc1 Rb8 46.Ra6 Rd8 47.Be3 Kg4 48.Ra4+ Kf5 * black wins

Everything wins after 11..Be7

A bit of advice do not expect he will open up the game. You all need to seek for opening variations / ideas to force the game to open up whatever he plays.

Jul-15-08  zsoydd: Hi team,

below are the last public available cc games (2007/2008) of ccGM Nickel.

Better prepare for the Najdorf main lines (I'm strictly against Sveshnikov, if he opens 1.e4 and we choose Sicilian), than for 1.d4.

best regards
zsoyd

Nickel - Schmidt
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.h3 e6 7.Qf3 Qb6 8.Nb3 Qc7 9.Bd3 Be7 10.Qg3 b5 11.O-O Bb7 12.a3 Nbd7

Nickel - Siigur
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.h3 g6 7.g4 Bg7 8.Bg2 h5 9.g5 Nfd7 10.Be3 O-O 11.Qd2 Nc6 12.O-O-O Nb6

Standke - Nickel
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 c6 4.Nf3 d5 5.Bg2 Bg7 6.cxd5 cxd5 7.Ne5 O-O 8.Nc3 Nc6 9.Nxc6 bxc6 10.O-O e5 11.dxe5 Ng4 12.Na4 Nxe5

Pinkovetsky - Nickel
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Nd5 Be7 10.Bxf6 Bxf6 11.c3 O-O 12.Nc2 Bg5

Dufek - Nickel
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Ba6 5.b3 Bb4+ 6.Bd2 Be7 7.Bg2 c6 8.Bc3 d5 9.Ne5 Nfd7 10.Nxd7 Nxd7 11.Nd2 O-O 12.O-O f5

Tiits - Nickel
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.Nc3 g6 5.e5 Ng4 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.d3 Bg7 8.Bf4 Nh6 9.Ne4 Bg4 10.h3 Bxf3 11.Qxf3 Nf5 12.O-O-O Nd4

Pauwels - Nickel
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 d5 4.d4 Be7 5.Bg2 O-O 6.O-O dxc4 7.Qc2 a6 8.a4 Bd7 9.Qxc4 Bc6 10.a5 Bd5 11.Qa4 c5 12.dxc5 Bxc5

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