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<Jer 20:10-13

Jeremiah said:

"I hear the whisperings of many:
'Terror on every side!
Denounce!
Let us denounce him!'
All those who were my friends are on the watch for any misstep of mine.

Perhaps he'll be trapped; then we can prevail, and take our vengeance on him.

But the LORD is with me, like a mighty champion: my persecutors will stumble, they will not triumph.

In their failure, they will be put to utter shame, to lasting, unforgettable confusion.

O LORD of hosts, you who test the just, who probe mind and heart, let me witness the vengeance you take on them, for to you, I have entrusted my cause.

Sing to the LORD,
praise the LORD,
for he has rescued the life of the poor
from the power of the wicked!">

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<1 Corinthians 13

13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

9 For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; 10 but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. 13 And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.>

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<The Promise of the Lord's Coming

The Second Letter of Peter

Chapter 3

1 This is now, beloved, the second letter I am writing to you; in them I am trying to arouse your sincere intention by reminding you

2 that you should remember the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets, and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken through your apostles.

3 First of all you must understand this, that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and indulging their own lusts

4 and saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since our ancestors died, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation!?

5 They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago and an earth was formed out of water and by means of water,

6 through which the world of that time was deluged with water and perished.

7 But by the same word the present heavens and earth have been reserved for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the godless.

8 But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like one day.

9 The Lord is not slow about his promise, as some think of slowness, but is patient with you, not wanting any to perish, but all to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and everything that is done on it will be disclosed.

11 Since all these things are to be dissolved in this way, what sort of persons ought you to be in leading lives of holiness and godliness,

12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set ablaze and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire?

13 But, in accordance with his promise, we wait for new heavens and a new earth, where righteousness is at home.

Final Exhortation and Doxology

14 Therefore, beloved, while you are waiting for these things, strive to be found by him at peace, without spot or blemish;

15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,

16 speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.

17 You therefore beloved, since you are forewarned, beware that you are not carried away with the error of the lawless and lose your own stability.

18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity.

Amen.>

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<Psalm 23

The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever.>

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Jul-31-08  kwid: Hi Ken, could we not try to transpose into one of my lines below?

[Event "xxx"]
[Site "xxx"]
[Date "xxx"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GMAN"]
[Black "World"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B90"]
[WhiteElo "xxxx"]
[BlackElo "xxxx"]
[Annotator "Widmann,Kurt"]
[PlyCount "42"]
[EventDate "xxxx"]
[WhiteTeam "xxx"]
[BlackTeam "xxx"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 (6. f4 e6 7. Be2 Be7 8. O-O O-O 9. a4 Qc7 10. Kh1 Nc6 11. Be3 Re8 12. Bf3 Rb8 13. g4 h6 14. g5 (14. Rg1 Nd7 15. Qd3 (15. Qd2 b6 16. Nxc6 Qxc6 17. Kg2 (17. Rg3 Bb7 18. Rh3 Rbc8 19. Kg1 b5 20. axb5 axb5 21. Qd4 e5 22. fxe5 dxe5 23. Qd3 Nf6 24. Rc1 Bc5 25. Nd5 Red8 26. Rd1 Bxe3+ 27. Qxe3 Qe6 28. Nxf6+ Qxf6 29. Rxd8+ Qxd8 30. c3 Qa5 31. g5 Qa1+ 32. Kf2 Qxb2+) 17... Bb7 18. Rgd1 Rbc8 19. Bf2 Qc7 20. h4 d5 21. exd5 Nf6 22. a5 bxa5 23. g5 Nxd5 24. Nxd5 exd5 25. c3 Bd6 26. Ra4 hxg5 27. hxg5 Bc6 28. Rd4 a4 29. Rh1 Bc5 30. Rd3 d4 31. cxd4 Bd6 32. Bxc6 Qxc6+ 33. d5 Qc4 34. Rdh3 Qe4+ 35. Kg1 f6 36. Rh8+ Kf7 37. Rxe8 Rxe8 38. Rh4 Rc8 39. Qe3 Qxd5) 15... Nxd4 16. Qxd4 b6 17. Rad1 Bb7 18. Rgf1 Bc6 19. Kg1 b5 20. axb5 axb5 21. Qd2 b4 22. Ne2 Qb7 23. Ng3 Ra8 24. Rde1 Nc5 25. g5 hxg5 26. fxg5 Nd7) 14... hxg5 15. fxg5 Nh7 16. h4 Ne5 17. Be2 Bd7 18. a5 (18. Kg2 f6 19. Qd2 Rbc8 20. a5 Nc4 21. Bxc4 Qxc4 22. Kh1 fxg5 23. hxg5 Rc5 24. Nb3 Rf5 25. Qg2 Bc6 26. Rad1 Nxg5 27. Nd2 Nxe4 28. Ndxe4 Ref8 29. Rfe1 Qb4 30. Kg1 d5 31. Nf2 Qxa5 32. Qg3 Qd8 33. Qg4 Bh4 34. Re2 Qe7 35. Nh3 Be8) 18... f6 19. Qd2 fxg5 20. hxg5 Qd8 21. Rg1 Rf8 22. Rg2 Rc8 23. Na4 Bc6 24. Nb6 Bxe4 25. Kg1 Bxg2 26. Nxe6 Be4 27. Nxd8 Rxc2 28. Qxc2 Bxc2 29. Ne6 Rf7 30. Nc4 Nf3+ 31. Bxf3 Rxf3 32. Nd4 Rg3+ 33. Kf2 Rg4) 6... Nc6 (6... e6 7. f3 (7. a4 Nc6 8. Be2 Be7 9. O-O O-O 10. f4 Qc7 11. Kh1 Re8 12. Bf3 Rb8 13. g4 h6) 7... b5 8. g4 h6 9. Qd2 b4 10. Nce2 e5 11. Nb3 a5 12. Ng3 a4 13. Nc1 Qa5 14. Bc4 Be6 15. Bxe6 fxe6 16. O-O Nc6 17. Nd3 Be7 18. Rac1 O-O 19. c4 b3 20. Qxa5 Nxa5 21. a3 Rac8 22. c5 Nd7 23. cxd6 Bxd6 24. Kf2 Nc4 25. Rfd1 Nxe3 26. Kxe3 Be7 27. Kf2 Nb6 28. Nf1 Nc4 29. Rb1 Bg5 30. Nb4 Na5) 7. f3 Qb6 8. a3 (8. Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. Nxc6 bxc6 11. Bc4 e6 12. Bb3 Qa5 13. O-O Be7 14. Ba4 Qc7 15. Bb6 Qd7 16. Bf2 Qc7 17. Rb6 Bd7 18. Rfb1 O-O 19. Rb7) 8... e5 9. Nf5 Qc7 10. Ng3 g6 11. Qd2 Be7 12. O-O-O O-O 13. h4 b5 14. Kb1 Rb8 15. Nd5 Nxd5 16. exd5 Na5 17. Bg5 f6 18. Bh6 Rf7 19. b3 Nc4 20. bxc4 bxc4+ 21. Ka1 c3 0-1

Jul-31-08  kb2ct:

Kurt,

I know you like Nc6 better than Nd7 in Sicilians, but I never thought of coupling it with Qb6 against the English attack. I bet there isn't much in the databases. My instinct would be to give black the b-pawn with Qd2 and hope it is poison. I probably would differ from your pv by playing Kf2 not Bb3 and 0-0. The point of Bb3 is Ba4 and I would rather play for a sac on d5

:0)

Jul-31-08  kb2ct: I thought it over. The sac on d5 doesn't work. Better to play Bb3 and Ba4

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4
Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Nc6 7. f3 Qb6 8. Qd2 Qxb2 9. Rb1 Qa3 10. Nxc6 bxc6 11. Bc4 e6 12. Bb3 Qa5 13. Ba4 Bd7 14. O-O d5 15. Nxd5 Qxd2 16. Nxf6+ gxf6 17. Bxd2 Bc5+ 18. Kh1

Easy game for white. Not winning but close.

:0)

Aug-01-08  zsoydd: .

Hi Ken,

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 ?! Ng4 !

In the standard line 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Bg3 Bg7 (==) I can't imagine how White wants to get any advantage. (I have more than enough experience here and three times as much example games than in all commercial game DBs together, so that I dare to say that current theory is wrong in the opinion that this is good for White. Of course I wouldn't follow Kasimdzhanov - Anand, San Luis 2005, 1-0 ).

Therefor I consider 7.Bc1 Nf6 to be nearly forced, and then White might try to play a move with better prospects.

best regards,
zsoyd

Aug-01-08  Hugin: Just some lines:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 Ng4 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Bg3 Bg7 10.h3 Ne5 11.Nf5 Bxf5 12.exf5 Nbc6 13.Nd5 e6 14.fxe6 fxe6 15.Ne3 0-0*

[15...Qa5+* 16.c3 d5 (16...0-0-0 17.Be2 Qb6 18.Qc2 h5 19.b4 Kb8 20.Rd1 Qc7 21.b5 axb5 22.Bxb5) 17.Be2 0-0 (17...d4 18.Qb3 0-0 19.Bxe5 Nxe5 20.Nd1 d3 21.Bh5 d2+ 22.Kxd2) 18.0-0 Rad8 19.Qb3 b5 20.Rad1 Qb6 21.Rfe1 Ng6 22.a4; 15...d5 16.Be2 (16.Qh5+ Nf7 17.0-0-0 Ne7 18.Bc4 Qb6 19.Bb3 a5 20.a4 Rc8 21.Kb1 Rc4 22.Rd3) 16...Qb6 17.Bh5+ Nf7 18.Qg4 0-0 19.Qxe6 Qb4+ 20.c3 Bxc3+ 21.Kf1 Qxb2 22.Rd1; 15...h5 16.Be2 Qa5+ 17.c3 0-0-0 18.a4 Ne7 19.0-0 g4 20.b4 Qc7 21.h4 Kb8 22.Qb3]

16.Be2

[16.c3 d5 17.Be2 Ng6 18.0-0 Nf4 19.Ng4 Qe7 20.Bd3 Rad8 21.Bc2 e5 22.Ne3]

16...d5 17.0-0 Ng6 18.c3

18.c4 d4 19.Nc2 (19.Qc2 Nf4 20.Bxf4 Rxf4 21.g3 Rf8 22.Ng4) 19...Qe7 20.Qd3 (20.Bd3 Nf4 21.Bxf4 Rxf4 22.Qe2) 20...Nf4 21.Bxf4 Rxf4 22.g3; 18.Re1 Nf4 19.Bg4 Qf6 20.c4 dxc4

18...Nf4 19.Ng4

[19.Bg4 Qf6 20.Re1 (20.Nc2 Rad8 21.Bxf4 gxf4 22.Nd4) 20...Ne5 21.Nc2 Ned3

19...Qe7 20.Bd3

[20.Bxf4 gxf4 21.Qb3 Qf7 22.Rad1]

20...Rad8 21.Bc2 e5 22.Ne3 *

Aug-01-08  zsoydd: Hi <Hugin>:

17. ... Ng6 is known to be less precise. There are better moves.

Please understand that I don't want to reveal my opening lines in advance.

If we follow this path against ccGM Nickel, I will of course share my knowlegde in the concrete line we choose.

Best regards,
zsoyd

Aug-01-08  kwid: Here is some of my ref.data for :
< 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 >

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.08.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GMAN"]
[Black "WORLD"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator ",Kurt"]
[PlyCount "44"]
[EventDate "2008.08.01"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bh4 (8. Bc1 e5 (8... Nf6 9. Be2 e6 10. O-O Be7 11. Qd3 O-O 12. Qg3 Kh8 13. Be3 Nc6 14. Rad1 e5 15. Nb3 Nb4 16. Rd2 Be6 17. f4 Nxa2 18. Nxa2 Nxe4 19. Qe1 Nxd2 20. Qxd2 a5 21. Nc3 a4 22. Nc1) 9. Nb3 Be6 10. Be2 Nf6 11. O-O Be7 12. f4 O-O 13. f5 Bd7 14. Qe1 Bc6 15. Bf3 b5 16. a3 Nh7 17. Be3 Ng5 18. Qg3 Nd7 19. Nd2 Nxf3+ 20. Rxf3 Kh7 21. Rff1 Nf6 22. Bf2 d5 23. Nf3 dxe4 24. Nxe5 Rc8 25. Rfd1 Qc7 26. Nxc6 Qxg3 27. Bxg3 Rxc6 28. Rd2 Re8 29. h3 b4 30. axb4 Bxb4 31. Re2 Bxc3 32. bxc3 Rxc3 33. Kh2 Nh5 34. Be1 Rc4 35. Bg3 Rc5 36. Rxa6 Rxf5 37. Ra3 Rd5 38. Be1 f5 39. g3 g5) 8... g5 9. Bg3 Bg7 10. h3 Ne5 (10... Nf6 11. Qf3 Qb6 12. O-O-O Nc6 13. Nxc6 Qxc6 14. Be2 Qc5 15. Kb1 O-O 16. Qd3 Be6 17. h4 g4 18. Nd5 Nxd5 19. exd5 Bd7 20. c3 Rac8 21. Rd2 f5 22. f4) 11. Nf5 (11. f3 Nbc6 12. Bf2 O-O 13. Qd2 Ng6 14. O-O-O (14. Nd5 e6 15. Nc3 Be5 16. O-O-O Qf6 17. Na4 Bd7 18. Nb6 Rad8 19. Kb1 Nxd4 20. Bxd4 Bc6 21. Bc4 Bxd4 22. Qxd4) 14... Qa5 15. Bc4 Qb4 16. Bd5 Nxd4 17. Bxd4 Bxd4 18. Qxd4 Qxd4 19. Rxd4 Rb8 20. a4 Kg7 21. a5 Nf4 22. Rd2 ) (11. Be2 Nbc6 12. Nf5 (12. Nb3 b5 13. Nd5 Nc4 14. Bxc4 bxc4 15. Nd2 Bxb2 16. Rb1 c3 17. Nc4 Rb8 18. O-O Be6 19. Qf3 O-O 20. Rfd1 f6 21. Nce3 Nb4 22. Nf5) 12... Bxf5 13. exf5 Nd4 14. Bxe5 Bxe5 15. Bd3 Qa5) (11. Qh5 Nbc6 12. Nxc6 bxc6 13. Bxe5 Bxe5 14. Bc4 e6 15. O-O Qf6 16. Rae1 Bxc3 17. bxc3 Qxc3 18. Bd3 Rb8 19. e5 dxe5 20. Re3 Qa5 21. Rf3 Rb7 22. Be4 Qc5 23. Rf6 Qf8 24. h4 Rc7 25. hxg5 hxg5 26. Qxg5) 11... Bxf5 12. exf5 Nbc6 (12... Nec6 13. Bc4 Qa5 14. O-O Bxc3 15. bxc3 Qxf5) (12... Qa5 13. Qd5 Qb6 14. O-O-O Nbc6 15. Ne4 Nd7 16. c3 Nf6 17. Nxd6+ exd6 18. Qxd6 Qd8 19. Re1+ Ne7 20. Qc5 Qd7 21. Bc4) 13. Nd5 (13. h4 Nd4 14. Bxe5 Bxe5 15. Bd3 Qa5 16. O-O Nxf5 17. Bxf5 Bxc3 18. Qf3 Bxb2 19. Rab1 Bf6 20. Rxb7 Rd8 21. a3 gxh4 22. Rfb1 O-O 23. Qg4+ Kh8 24. Qf4 Bg5 25. Qf3) 13... e6 (13... O-O 14. h4 (14. Be2 e6 15. fxe6 fxe6 16. Ne3 d5 17. O-O Qb6 18. Ng4 Rae8 19. Rb1 Nxg4 20. Bxg4 Be5 21. Qd3 Rf6 22. c3) 14... e6 15. Ne3 exf5 (15... Qb6 16. hxg5 Qb4+ 17. c3 Qxb2) 16. Nxf5 (16. hxg5 Qxg5 17. Rh5 Qg6 18. Rxf5 Rfe8 19. Bxe5 Bxe5 20. Bc4 Bf6 21. Qh5 Qxh5 22. Rxh5) 16... Re8 17. Kd2 Ng6 18. c3 gxh4 19. Nxh4 Nxh4 20. Bxh4 Qa5 21. Bd3 Rac8 22. Qb3 Ne5 23. Bf1 d5 24. Re1 Re6 25. a3 d4 26. Rh3 Rb6 27. Qxb6 Qxb6) 14. fxe6 (14. Ne3 Qb6 15. fxe6 Qb4+ 16. c3 Qxb2 17. Be2 Qxc3+ 18. Kf1 fxe6 19. Rc1 Qd4 20. Qb3 O-O 21. Rd1) 14... fxe6 15. Ne3 O-O (15... Nf7 16. c3 Be5 17. Bd3 Bxg3 18. fxg3 Qe7 19. O-O O-O-O 20. c4 Nfe5 21. Be4 h5 22. Qe2) 16. Be2 (16. c3 d5 17. Be2 Ng6 18. O-O Nf4 19. Bg4) 16... d5 17. O-O Qb6 (17... Ng6 18. c3 Nf4 19. Ng4 Qe7 20. Bxf4 Rxf4 21. Qc2 h5 22. Nh2 Qf7) 18. Rb1 (18. Ng4 Rae8 (18... Rf5 19. c3 Qxb2 20. Rb1 Qxc3 21. Rxb7) 19. Rb1 Nxg4 20. Bxg4 Be5 21. Qd3 Rf6 22. c3) 18... Rad8 19. Ng4 (19. Re1 Ng6 20. c4 Nd4 21. cxd5 exd5 22. Bh5 Nf4) 19... Ng6 20. c3 Nf4 21. Qc2 Ne7 22. Rfe1 Nf5 1/2-1/2

Aug-01-08  kwid: Nothing but draws so far with Be3 Ng4

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.08.01"]
[Round "?"]
[White "GMAN"]
[Black "World"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B90"]
[Annotator "Widmann,Kurt"]
[PlyCount "66"]
[EventDate "2008.08.01"]
[SourceDate "2008.08.01"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Bg7 10. h3 Ne5 11. f3 Nbc6 12. Bf2 Nxd4 (12... Be6 13. Qd2 Nxd4 14. Bxd4 Qa5 15. a3 O-O 16. h4 Ng6 17. hxg5 hxg5 18. b4 Qc7 19. O-O-O Bxd4 20. Qxd4 Rfc8 21. Kb2 a5 22. b5 f6 23. Bd3 Kg7 24. Nd5 Qc5 25. c3 Rab8 26. g3 Rh8 27. Qxc5 dxc5 28. c4 Rbd8 29. Kb3 Bf7 30. Be2 Rxh1) 13. Bxd4 Be6 14. Qd2 Qa5 15. a3 Rc8 16. O-O-O O-O 17. h4 Ng6 18. hxg5 hxg5 19. Rh5 Bxd4 20. Qxd4 Qc5 21. Qd2 f6 22. g3 Kg7 23. Bh3 Bxh3 24. Rxh3 Rh8 25. Rxh8 Rxh8 26. Nd5 e6 27. Ne3 Rh3 28. Ng4 Ne5 29. b4 Qc7 30. Nxe5 dxe5 31. Kb2 Kg6 32. Qe2 b5 33. Qf2 Rh8 1/2-1/2

Aug-01-08  kb2ct: 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bc1

Is the most accurate and up to date.

I associate the idea with Shirov.

:0)

Aug-01-08  kwid: Aug-01-08 < kb2ct > <7. Bc1 Is the most accurate and up to date. >

Well,yes if white is satisfied with a draw. 7.. Nf6 eliminates Be3 as a sixth move choice for white,right?

Aug-01-08  kb2ct: <kwid: Aug-01-08 < kb2ct > <7. Bc1 Is the most accurate and up to date. > Well,yes if white is satisfied with a draw. 7.. Nf6 eliminates Be3 as a sixth move choice for white,right?>

It becomes a game of chicken.

7...Nf6 gets answered by Pf3 before Be3 gets played again.

Lately players have been answering Ph6 with Bh4 as improvements have been found.

:0)

Aug-02-08  kb2ct: My preparation for these lines is almost 6 months old. I looked at the following back in March for a game against grandmaster Ronen Har-Zvi. I decided on Bh4.

:0)

[Event "WCh"]
[Site "Mexico City MEX"]
[Date "2007.??.??"]
[White "Svidler,P"]
[Black "Grischuk,A"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2735"]
[BlackElo "2726"]
[ECO "B90"]
[Round "14"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Bg7 10. h3 Ne5 11. Nf5 Bxf5 12. exf5 Nbc6 13. Nd5 e6 14. fxe6 fxe6 15. Ne3 Qa5+ 16. c3 Nf3+ 17. Qxf3 Bxc3+ 18. Kd1 Qa4+ 19. Nc2 Bxb2 20. Rc1 Bxc1 21. Qf6 Kd7 22. Kxc1 Qxa2 23. Bd3 Rac8 24. Rd1 d5 25. Bf5 Rhe8 26. Qf7+ Kd8 27. Re1 Qa3+ 28. Nxa3 Ne5+ 29. Kd2 Nxf7 30. Bxe6 Rc6 31. Bxf7 Rxe1 32. Kxe1 b5 33. Kd2 b4 34. Nc2 b3 35. Nd4 Rb6 36. Kc1 a5 37. Bxd5 a4 38. Be5 b2+ 39. Kb1 a3 40. Ba2 Rb7 41. Bd6 Rd7 42. Nb5 1-0

[Event "TCh-RUS"]
[Site "Sochi RUS"]
[Date "2007.??.??"]
[White "Karjakin,Sergey"]
[Black "Grischuk,A"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2686"]
[BlackElo "2717"]
[ECO "B90"]
[Round "9"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Bg7 10. h3 Ne5 11. f3 Nbc6 12. Bf2 Ng6 13. Qd2 Qa5 14. Nd5 Qxd2+ 15. Kxd2 Bxd4 16. Bxd4 Nxd4 17. Nc7+ Kd7 18. Nxa8 Kc6 19. a4 Be6 20. Ra3 Rxa8 21. Rd3 Kc5 22. b4+ Kxb4 23. Rxd4+ Kc5 24. Rd3 Ne5 25. Rc3+ Nc4+ 26. Bxc4 Bxc4 27. h4 d5 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Rh5 d4 30. Ra3 f6 31. Ra1 Kd6 32. Rah1 a5 33. Rb1 b5 34. axb5 a4 35. b6 a3 36. b7 Rb8 37. Rhh1 Kc5 38. c3 dxc3+ 39. Kxc3 Bb5 40. Ra1 Rxb7 41. Rxa3 Rd7 42. Kc2 Kd6 43. Kd2 Ke6+ 44. Ke3 Kf7 45. Rc1 Rb7 46. Rc5 Bd7 47. Ra6 Bb5 48. Ra5 Bd7 49. e5 f5 50. Kd4 Rb4+ 51. Kc3 Rb7 52. g3 Be6 53. Ra3 f4 54. gxf4 gxf4 55. Kd3 Kg6 56. Ra8 Rd7+ 57. Ke2 Rd5 58. Rxd5 Bxd5 59. Rf8 Kg5 60. Re8 Kf5 61. Rxe7 Be6 62. Kd3 Kxe5 63. Re8 Kd5 64. Rh8 Bf7 65. Rf8 Bg6+ 66. Kc3 Ke5 67. Rg8 Bf5 68. Rg5 Kf6 69. Rh5 Bc8 70. Rb5 Bd7 71. Ra5 Bc8 72. Rb5 Bd7 73. Rc5 Ke6 74. Kd4 Kd6 75. Ra5 Bc6 76. Ra6 Kd7 77. Rxc6 1-0

[Event "Amber Blindfold"]
[Site "Monte Carlo MNC"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[White "Svidler,P"]
[Black "Grischuk,A"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2765"]
[BlackElo "2717"]
[ECO "B90"]
[Round "4"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bh4 g5 9. Bg3 Bg7 10. h3 Ne5 11. Nf5 Bxf5 12. exf5 Nbc6 13. Nd5 e6 14. fxe6 fxe6 15. Ne3 O-O 16. Be2 Qe7 17. O-O Rad8 18. Bh5 b5 19. a4 b4 20. a5 d5 21. Re1 Kh8 22. Qe2 Qa7 23. Rad1 Nd4 24. Qd2 Nec6 25. h4 Qe7 26. Ng4 Rf5 27. Bg6 gxh4 28. Bf4 Rxf4 29. Qxf4 Rf8 30. Qe3 h5 31. Nh2 Ne5 32. Bd3 Nxd3 33. Qxd3 Qf6 34. Nf3 h3 35. Qxd4 Qg6 36. Nh4 Qg5 37. Qxb4 Kh7 38. g3 d4 39. Qd2 1-0

[Event "Tal Memorial"]
[Site "Moscow RUS"]
[Date "2006.??.??"]
[White "Svidler,P"]
[Black "Grischuk,A"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2750"]
[BlackElo "2710"]
[ECO "B90"]
[Round "6"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 Ng4 7. Bc1 Nf6 8. f3 Qb6 9. g4 Nc6 10. Nb3 e6 11. Bf4 Qc7 12. Qd2 Ne5 13. Be2 Be7 14. Bg3 b5 15. g5 Nfd7 16. h4 Nb6 17. Qd4 O-O 18. O-O-O Rd8 19. a3 Nec4 20. Bxc4 bxc4 21. Nd2 e5 22. Qe3 Be6 23. Kb1 Rab8 24. Ka1 Qc6 25. Rb1 Na4 26. Rhd1 Rd7 27. f4 exf4 28. Bxf4 Rdb7 29. Nxa4 Qxa4 30. Qc3 g6 31. h5 gxh5 32. Rh1 Bf8 33. Rxh5 Bg7 34. e5 d5 35. Be3 Bf5 36. Bd4 Bxc2 37. e6 Bxb1 38. Nxb1 fxe6 0-1

Aug-02-08  Hugin: Some more lines:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 Ng4 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 g5 9.Bg3 Bg7 10.h3 Ne5 11.Nf5 Bxf5 12.exf5 Nbc6 13.Nd5 e6 14.fxe6 fxe6 15.Ne3 0-0 16.Be2 d5 17.0-0 Qb6 18.Ng4

[18.Rb1 Rad8 (18...Ng6 19.Re1 Nf4 20.Bf1 Rad8 21.c3 d4 22.cxd4) 19.h4 gxh4 20.Bxh4 Rd7 21.Bg3 Ng6 22.Bh5]

18...Ng6

[18...Rf5 19.c3 Raf8 20.Qc2 Qc5 21.Rad1 b5 22.a4; 18...Rae8 19.Rb1 Nxg4 20.Bxg4 Be5 21.Bh5 Bxg3 22.Bxe8]

19.Re1

[19.c3 Nf4 20.Bxf4 gxf4 21.Bf3 Qxb2 22.Re1]

19...Nf4 20.Bd3 Nb4 21.Bf1 h5 22.Ne3

Aug-02-08  kb2ct: Grischuk's style isn't compatible with team CC play.

Very talented, but he plays for sharp combinative draws and then doesn't take them.

:0)

Aug-02-08  zsoydd: .

Dear <Hugin>,

18.Ng4 Ng6(?!!) is no option for me.

The transfer Ng6->Nf4 can wait. Black has much more important tasks in this key position.

The most recent better-not-follow-blacks-path cc game is:

(Szczepankiewicz = Shchepankyevich)

[Event "50.Ch Poland Final"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2007.?.?"]
[White "Szczepankiewicz"]
[Black "Ciesielski"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6
5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 Ng4 7.Bg5 h6 8.Bh4 g5
9.Bg3 Bg7 10.h3 Ne5 11.Nf5 Bxf5 12.exf5 Nbc6
13.Nd5 e6 14.fxe6 fxe6 15.Ne3 O-O 16.Be2 d5
17.O-O Qb6 18.Ng4 Ng6 19.c3 Nf4 20.Qc2 Kh8
21.Rad1 Rad8 22.Rfe1 e5 23.Bf1 Qc7 24.Rd2 Qf7
25.f3 h5 26.Nf2 b5 27.a4 b4 28.Nd3 a5
29.Bf2 Bf6 30.Nxf4 gxf4 31.Red1 Rg8 32.Qb3 h4
33.Kh1 bxc3 34.bxc3 Ne7 35.Qb5 Qg6 36.Qxa5 Ra8
37.Qb5 Rab8 38.Bb6 Nf5 39.a5 e4 40.Kg1 Bxc3
41.Rxd5 Ng3 42.Rd6 Bf6 43.fxe4 f3 44.R1d2 Nxe4
45.Rxf6 Nxf6 46.Qe5 fxg2 47.Rxg2 Rbe8 48.Qf4 Re4
49.Qf2 Qh6 50.a6 Rf4 51.Qe3 Re8 52.Qd2 Ng4
53.Bd4+ Ne5 54.Bd3 Qf6 55.Qe2 Nf3+ 56.Kh1 Rxe2
57.Bxf6+ Rxf6 58.Rxe2 Rf7 59.Rf2 Kg7 60.Rf1 Rf4
61.Kg2 Rf7 62.Rxf3 Rc7 63.Rf4 Rd7 64.Bc4 Rc7
65.Rxh4 Kf6 66.Rh8 Ke5 67.Rb8
1-0

Best regards,
zsoyd

Aug-04-08  dumbgai: Whoa, is there really going to be another game played between the chessgames community and GM Arno Nickel? If so, I'm so in! (I'm afraid I missed the first game as well as too much of the game with Timmerman.)
Aug-04-08  Boomie: GMAN seems to heavily favor 1. d4. Repertoire Explorer: Arno Nickel (white). Why is the Sicilian being discussed here or is that not related to the GMAN game. I can't make much sense out of the posts here regarding GMAN's opening rep and what the Team might want to play.

<Chancho> - Would you distill some of the proposed responses to d4 in your bio? From the OE it looks like he is very unlikely to play e4.

Aug-04-08  amadeus: <Boomie: Why is the Sicilian being discussed here or is that not related to the GMAN game?>

<Boomie>, see zsoydd's posts from July 16 - GMAN has been playing 1.e4 and 1.Nf3 lately.

Aug-05-08  Boomie: <amadeus: <Boomie: Why is the Sicilian being discussed here or is that not related to the GMAN game?> <Boomie>, see zsoydd's posts from July 16 - GMAN has been playing 1.e4 and 1.Nf3 lately.>

OK. So we think he might play e4. Having to go back so many pages means that this forum can't be very useful for any but the full time user.

Against GMT we decided to play d4 and thought or hoped he would go for his usual KID. Surprise...he played the Dutch for the first time in CC. However we did have the Dutch summarized in the openings forum bio albeit at the bottom of dozens of KID variations.

An openings forum without a summary in the bio is almost useless for the Team. Most members will want to see the possible variations on one page. Only a handful of members who have followed these discussion will have any idea what GMAN plays as white. This is not Teamwork. We have to be more considerate for the majority of Team members who don't have time to go into all the details.

Aug-05-08  kwid: Aug-05-08
<Boomie:> <An openings forum without a summary in the bio is almost useless for the Team. Most members will want to see the possible variations on one page. Only a handful of members who have followed these discussion will have any idea what GMAN plays as white. This is not Teamwork. We have to be more considerate for the majority of Team members who don't have time to go into all the details.>

Well, yes or no. This site is off limit to MGAN and the only forum available to start some pregame preparations.

It keeps some of us busy since the regular game was over months ago.

Exploring openings and trying to find weaknesses in the amour of our next opponent should help to sharpen our skill even further.

Up to now we looked at the Naydorf and variations for QI and NI for which we expect to reach team consensus.

At this time I would encourage everyone to look beyond the known book lines in order to narrow our path into positions which would give us a good chance to out work him.

If you look at my contributions here you may notice that my lines are reaching mostly beyond the public know theory. They may serve us to avoid stepping into worked out draw lines which our opponent may have prepared for us.

IMO it is not naive to assume that we should be able to forge out a solid win with our combined search ability against one GM.

Therefor our goals must be to reach beyond his comprehension which is limited by his available search time. In order to win we must guide him into uncharted territory or at least less suitable for the use of his opening references.

Your view that a line more than 6 moves long are not useful because they can not be constructed error less is not beneficial for setting goals as out lined above.

I emphasize my playing style for cc to work at least 20 moves ahead or 40 plys with a look over the horizon. We need to see desirable positions as an AIM which are potentially reachable via WAYS mapped out by the team with our massive search ability and excellent human guidance.

Aug-05-08  Boomie: <kwid> Thanks for your thoughtful response. My post concerned the majority of Team members who don't have the time to go into such detail. I didn't say that detailed work should not be done. I just made the point that a summary of GMAN's openings would be useful to the majority of members.
Aug-05-08  kwid: Aug-05-08
< Boomie> <a summary of GMAN's openings would be useful to the majority of members>

Well, let me try to "summarise" GMAN's historical opening data derived from his games.

To make such a report useful for our team, we need to define what we try to accomplish with such a data.

If we try to find out what we can expect to see him playing as a first move against us it may be a time waisting exercise.

When I look at his games, it seems to me that he has not yet matured into a super GM because he is still in search for an opening best suitable for him.

He seem to have little confidence in the lines he plays. His lines are derived from currently best known theory from which he seeks to deviate at times quite early in the opening phase.

His book move choices when deviating from the "considered best" to a lower rated computer evaluation move may be an exploitable weakness.

We need to search for the depth on which his decisions are based on and what engines if any are guiding him.

It would be useful to show those particular positions where he strays deliberately from the main lines to discover the reason why.

This would be a good starting point for assessing his individual playing preferences and how best to counter it.

Aug-05-08  zsoydd: .

Hi <Boomie>,

if I can read ccGM Nickel well, he will play 1.e4. We will reply 1. ... c5 and he will then try to avoid the open Sicilian with e.g. Bb5+. These systems can be played move by move - no deep preparation required.

Best regards,
zsoyd

Aug-05-08  Boomie: <kwid: Aug-05-08
< Boomie> <a summary of GMAN's openings would be useful to the majority of members>>

<If we try to find out what we can expect to see him playing as a first move against us it may be a time waisting exercise.>

We sure wasted a lot of time last game looking at GMT's KID. Although for most of us that was a learning experience anyway. The record shows his fondness for d4 but perhaps recently he's trying e4 more. In any case the record is all the data we have to work. Members can use the OE to see his tendancies for the first few moves.

<When I look at his games, it seems to me that he has not yet matured into a super GM because he is still in search for an opening best suitable for him.>

That seems a fair assessment. Perhaps he likes to experiment with new ideas. Or maybe as you say he hasn't found his style. He is unpredictable in either case. As I've posted in the prior games, as long as we choose a resonable opening, we'll be OK. We are formidable in the middle game and so far none of our opponents have survived unscathed. All props to GMT for lasting as long as he has.

<It would be useful to show those particular positions where he strays deliberately from the main lines to discover the reason why.>

In our last game with GMAN, he chose a variation that had good results OTB. Seemed like a reasonable choice just looking at the results. Perhaps he wanted to explore that line to see if he could avoid playing e5. We may find that his experiments try to improve his positions but create tactical problems as in his game with us. That would be an interesting study although of debatable use to the Team. Maybe it could help us predict where he might deviate.

Aug-05-08  Boomie: <zsoydd: . if I can read ccGM Nickel well, he will play 1.e4. We will reply 1. ... c5 and he will then try to avoid the open Sicilian with e.g. Bb5+. These systems can be played move by move - no deep preparation required.>

I assume you mean 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+.

We can only hope he will play something goofy like this. 3...Nd7 has had good results in the OE. The last game he played against us, he stuck with the book for 12 moves before trying something new. So I don't know if he will opt for the Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack. Bb5 is, after all, anti-positional. But GMAN is unpredictable so I wouldn't rule it out entirely. On the other hand, I wouldn't spend any time studying it either.

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