But note that raw tournament PGN is often quite a mess, sometimes not conforming to any standards, no matter how low (as you well know).

Let's add a few extra K moves at the end, just for good measure, shall we?

Certainly not with the PGN - which is a defacto standard pre-dating <CG>, and let's admit, somewhat limited in comparison to what <CG> can do.

So let's consider what <CG> can do in its domain with a "properly" formulated PGN. In this case, let's consider the hypothetically proper use of a game with the <GameSite> tag.

<CG>'s true domain is the presentation of the info on a webpage. So, the game header can display the usual info about White/Black - but what's this?!

Steinitz vs Lasker, 1894

Lasker - Steinitz World Championship (1894), New York, NY USA, rd 4, Mar-24

Round 4 game, played in NYC. Fine and dandy, but there's no info about where the tournament was held. Someone might expect all the games were played in NY.

Of course, we're lucky in this case - there's a tournament page:

Lasker - Steinitz World Championship (1894)

where we see the following location tag:

<New York / Philadelphia / Montreal>

Which <CG> *incorrectly* omits from the PGN of the game, as well as from the game page.

What if the game didn't belong to a tournament yet? It would be floating, untethered. No information about the tournament/match's shifting locations.

This is why it's *wrong*.

And oh so easy to correct, especially in the <CG> domain.

1) Note the proper "standard" PGN tags in the game page

<Event/Site>

2) If a <GameSite> tag is present, denote that location immediately below.

It is vachement E-Z, just as accurate, more complete, and clearly displayed in one place. One sees all the information right there and then - even for "loose" games.

<saffuna: I just discovered I am being ignored by <Wesley So> as well....>

Our Whistle Page outlines the details of the 5 posting guidelines. In this case:

<It is acceptable to criticize other members if done in a civil way; however:

• This line may be crossed if we witness repeated criticisms from one member to another ("cyberstalking").

• Any form of name-calling (e.g., making up a pejorative nickname for another member) is forbidden, whether based on the screen-name or their name in real life.>

I haven't read the posts in question but if you want to issue a complaint about one as an example for me, what I would look for is civility, name-calling (which is merely one of the most childish forms of incivility) and a continued campaign of criticism.

<I just discovered I am being ignored by <Wesley So> as well. This can only be because I questioned his right to have full control of his player bio.>

I can't speak for Wesley and don't know when or why he took that action.

<Remember, this is a man who wanted to scrub important parts of his professional chess from his bio.>

Brings up a question: can posters such as <tpstar> and <phony benoni> delete posts on the <tony palmer> and <david moody> player pages, respectively?

<zanzibar> Just to let you know, I'm not ignoring your post (in fact I read it twice) but I can't rekindle this debate at this time.

I think we both agree that PGN in Steve Edward's original definition is not fully capable of representing a database as rich as what you find at ChessBase and Chessgames etc. It doesn't even have a mechanism to allow two players named Kurt Richter to co-exist without some kludgy hack like calling one "Kurt2 Richter." I don't regard this a fault of PGN per se, because PGN was designed to describe *games* and not players. So to differentiate the Kurt Richters, something above and beyond the core PGN is required. The exact same situation applies to the Site tags: and to know which cities the Lasker-Steinitz match took place in, as well as which individual games were played in which cities, PGN falls just a little bit short of the mark. (Again, we can't blame PGN, as it's unit of data was intended to be the game and not the locations or players or events.)

Brings up a question: can posters such as <tpstar> and <phony benoni> delete posts on the <tony palmer> and <david moody> player pages, respectively? ...>

To answer your question <straight> as opposed to dancing round the subject.. Yes Jim, they can and do. It all depends on how much Daniel likes you and how much you convince him you don't break rules even though he, I mean <if> tpstar broke the rules himself everyday..

"Blacklist?"

Sounds racist to me. Blow the whistle on this guy!

<perf> everything I said about him was both true AND in response to his attacks.

I spanked him good and he's learned to mind his manners a bit.

And as far as the tuna complaining about tga posting about him on his forum with him on ignore, what a joke!

Desperate libs ALWAYS trying to control everyone! And <mark>, you're such a clown that you make bozo look serious.