http://www.2020tech.com/index.html

That means that there isn't a public paper trail, like there was for <Chessgames Services LLC>.

On the other hand, there's the wayback, and a homepage - so one can track some of the history of the company from the info provided therein.

It appears to me that <Daniel> left 20/20 to concentrate and grow <CG>. He eventually bought Artello (?) out, as he reported in some post(s). Etc., etc.

I believe (well, it's my impression) that <Sargon> is president of 20/20, and that <Daniel> hired him, as a friend, to help out on <CG>.

I know that they appear to have also hired some other programmers to code up <Olga>, but beyond that - there doesn't seem to be other employees.

Or what kind of hardware <Daniel> was running?

btw, I was NOT saying he was locked out as Admin, though that is possible. I was noting a way-out-there possibility: perhaps he is locked out of his User login and thus cannot post. Conspiratorial and unlikely! But, if true, it would trivially explain why no updates from him. Also, why there are no obvious improvements to issues such as the Live Game that doesn't die. And, if true, it means he was locked out by ... well, who exactly?

<AnnieK.> mentioned that Daniel had a girlfriend:

I didn't access anything that is not public, but still I'm not sure about the legality of all of this (keeping my own copy of the data the chessgames.com owns) so I encrypted the data and I'm not going to disclose where I put it, except to some selected people which I feel can use it for the benefit of chessgames.com if the need arise.

Next step is to archive all games pages, which is couple orders of magnitude larger and will probably take a week or so.

What do you think, am I doing the right thing?
My view is that the data is too important to the chess community to just disappear in case some worst case scenario happens and also I think this is what Daniel would have wanted.

Presumptuous or righteous?>

Hi <MrM>,

IMHO it is the right thing to do. Preserving material about chess history seems to be "job 1".

<Zanzibar> wants to scrub me from this website, because he is a liberal, and liberals want to silence people who disagree with them. Other liberals condone it with their silence.

The story is this: <Zanzibar> lost a debate to me on the Rogoff page a while back concerning objective moral values and the existence of God. He also lost a debate to me on the same page regarding this non-history of multiculturalism in America. Since then, he has put me on ignore, because he is intolerant, and wants to erase me from this site, because his defeats to me are stinging him still, to this day.

If <Zanzibar> acted like a man (is he a man?) he would face me in debate and have it out, but he's not manly. Instead, he carries on like a liberal female, butthurt, resentful, and leaving little digs all over the site.

That's how women act!

LOL!

Maybe one of these days <Zanzibar> can reach down, grab his balls and act like a man. Maybe he will face me on rogoff again, but I doubt it.

Looks like it, but the jury is still out. Barely.

<...In addition, there is simply no good reason that <Sargon> has not signed in with an update- even if that update had minimal or no new information.>

I'm sure the people below the decks of the Costa Concordia were also saying that, even after the captain had left the ship.

"Locked out" makes no sense.

Nobody's account has been locked out, so why should <Sargon>'s account be any different?

And, the one good thing <BP>'s <septic tank> sockpuppet showed us is that <CG>'s account machinery is still working.

So even if <Sargon> was "locked out", he could easily log in and inform us.

Of course, he'd face the say deniers as <sqeeky>, but even <Jesus> had his doubting Thomas's.

takchess chessforum (kibitz #89)

The good news is that that <Sargon> intents to scrub all of <Bippy>'s posts (after duly refunding the 17¢ remaining on his balance).

As they say:

<PRAISE HEAVEN AND PASS THE PEAS!>

Everybody else is doing it...

Please be fair, and go through all the recent posts on this forum point out the disinformation.

It would be a great service to us all.

<zanzibar: <MrMelad> I'll give you $10 if you strip out all of <Bippy Pawns> turds from your archive.>

Though you named me in your post I'm pretty sure it was not really addressed to me but still I will answer seriously - no, I will not delete a single letter from the archive, regardless of how I feel about the poster writing it.

<OhioChessFan> I'm more inclined to just assume Annie's position - if google is allowed to do that, why not me? I understand the "legal grayness" of this operation so I won't be sending the links to anyone without their approval to participate in the gray area.

But who do I send it to? And how do I get their email?

I suggest the following:

<Annie K.>, <Phony Benoni>, <Domdaniel>, <SwitchingQuylthulg>, <OhioChessFan>, <twinlark>, <jessicafischerqueen>, one of you can open an email account and publish it in this page. Anyone of you can also nominate a different user for this task.

In case chessgames.com becomes unavailable for more than one week, I will make contact with this email and if needed send a link and decryption instructions.