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| May-07-11 | | LIFE Master AJ: <hms123> Thanks for the response, but I really wanted CG's input on this issue - not yours. |
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| May-07-11 | | LIFE Master AJ: For the record, I feel quite certain that the only way to get rid of the trolls, (at least off the pages with my games); is to give me complete control over them. Then I will permanently cleanse those pages of their nonsense. |
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| May-08-11 | | kellmano: For the record I agree with the site's reluctance to allow censorship, though possibly I don't know what people are referring to. Most arguments here are irritating/amusing rather than nasty. Once you let people censor others it will only be a matter of time before posts deemed to malign a user's favourite player will be deleted. The site will then be very bland. |
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May-08-11
 | | WannaBe: <Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime. ~Potter Stewart> <Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too. ~Voltaire> |
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| May-08-11 | | LIFE Master AJ: There already IS censorship ... junk on my page (and my forum) that I don't like ... I HAPPILY remove. And I would gladly do the same for my player's page. If you think there is no censorship, say the words, "HIJACK," in just about any airport. (OR "bomb.") |
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| May-08-11 | | LIFE Master AJ: The U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled on this ages ago. Your right to free speech ends when it presents a problem for others. (No screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater.) |
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May-08-11
 | | moronovich: <Your right to free speech ends when it presents a problem for others. (No screaming "FIRE!" in a crowded theater>. Remember this , Goldsby. |
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| May-08-11 | | crawfb5: <We now have an eager and bright database administrator who has been furiously processing the backlog of correction slips> That is good news, indeed. Might one dare ask how massive <is> the backlog? :-) |
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| May-08-11 | | suenteus po 147: <Your right to free speech ends when it presents a problem for others> Actually, your right to free speech ends when it presents an immediate <danger> to others, not a problem. A fine distinction, perhaps, but a significant one. Nevertheless, this exception made for speech that poses an immediate danger is still a problem for me because ultimately the government via the Supreme Court and legislative bodies determine what is "an immediate danger." Hence, in times of war and martial law any and all speech can be deemed "an immediate threat" and therefore suspended or censored. I personally believe in social censorship or regulation of speech rather than government or authoritative censorship and regulation. It's up to individuals or social communities to handle this stuff, not some law making body. I applaud <chessgames.com> for handling things the way they have thus far and don't impose any greater mechanisms than already exist. |
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| May-08-11 | | kellmano: Well familiar with the shouting fire in a crowded theatre, but liberals would say that's because it endangers people in a physical way (the stampede) and forces action out of people. Like the old 'my right to swing my fist ends at your face'. Certainly not the same as 'I have the right to curtail people's freedom to speak when it annoys me;. If people are not liberal, then of course this argument will not work, but the claim that free speech is inconsistent with liberalism as it is not absolute has no bearing on this discussion. Unless people have been inciting violence or the such on chessgames.com, which would be futile at worse. |
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| May-08-11 | | hms123: In the US at least, the right to "free speech" is actually the right to freedom from <governmental> interference with speech (with some limitations allowed--as others have mentioned). <Chessgames.com> is not a governmental agency and thus has the right to limit speech as it wishes; e.g., <Please observe our posting guidelines:No obscene, racist, sexist, or profane language.
No spamming, advertising, or duplicating posts.
No personal attacks against other users.
Nothing in violation of United States law.> |
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| May-08-11 | | rogge: <chessgames.com:...Regarding tpstar's suggestion of creating a small group of admins to police the forums 24/7: it's a plausible idea that we've resisted in the past simply because there didn't seem to be a dire need for it. I believe it's time to revisit that plan.> Let the lobbying begin (or has it begun?)
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May-08-11
 | | OhioChessFan: <CG.C: Regarding tpstar's suggestion of creating a small group of admins to police the forums 24/7: it's a plausible idea that we've resisted in the past simply because there didn't seem to be a dire need for it. I believe it's time to revisit that plan.> I think it's a horrible idea. |
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| May-08-11 | | benjinathan: <I think it's a horrible idea.> Me too.
Especially when there are comments like this from one seeking such power: <Your right to free speech ends when it presents a problem for others.> |
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| May-08-11 | | LIFE Master AJ: Yes. Nice guidelines.
But what to do with the group of people who seem to regularly ignore ALL of these guidelines??? IF ... you need so see any examples, just consult ANY of the pages with my games. |
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| May-08-11 | | Jim Bartle: Yes, AJ, you're right about that. You've come in for much more abuse than you deserve, and I'm embarrassed to have been one of the abusers in years past. However how would you, or any person exercising control and affected by the content, decide which posts were truly abusive and which were simply critical? Hard to draw that line. On the Kenneth Rogoff page, for example, I argue a lot with a group of four or five kibitzers, all in a reasonable manner. At the same time one other poster (diceman) simply heaps abuse upon me, and sometimes others, one insult after another with no real content. Yet chessgames doesn't want to do anything about this kibitzer. |
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| May-08-11 | | technical draw: Just make me the monitor of all posts and everything will be just fine. I will be fair and impartial und you vill like it. Anyone gets out of order and a quick Achtung! will put them back in their place. Yes, sir. I already have my armband and everything, verstehen? |
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| May-08-11 | | Jim Bartle: And you'll only charge 20 Deutschemarks? |
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| May-08-11 | | rogge: <I think it's a horrible idea.> Yeah, I agree too. At least I'd like to monitor the (official) posting police, just in case. That is, policing the posting police. No need to say, I liked Orwell's 1984. |
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| May-08-11 | | technical draw: <JB> Nein! 20 Reichmarks.... |
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May-08-11
 | | CG Librarian: <Domdaniel: Welcome, o Eager and Bright database administrator person.> Thanks, and hello everyone!
My chessforum is now available for correction-related comments. I'm sure I'll also be posting things that need additional research, so check back often. |
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| May-08-11 | | Colonel Mortimer: <LIFE Master AJ: Yes. Nice guidelines.
But what to do with the group of people who seem to regularly ignore ALL of these guidelines???> You are aware that this group includes yourself? |
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| May-09-11 | | bartonlaos: <Jim Bartle - However how would you, or any person exercising control and affected by the content, decide which posts were truly abusive and which were simply critical?> Let the community decide. Set up "thumb-up/thumb-down" vote-counters for each post, as well as "Report Abuse" flags. The team of moderators would be able to act only on posts that achieve a threshold count of negative votes or users with a large number of abuse reports. In this way, any censorship is driven by the community standards, and not by the whim of a self-righteous moderator. |
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| May-09-11 | | bartonlaos: Since the example clouds it, I would like to clarify my point. If moderation needs to be done, then I'd like to see an elevation of the community's role to police the site. |
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| May-09-11 | | dakgootje: Thumbs up, down or sideways would only encourage the use of useless sockpuppets [as opposed to useful sockpuppets] to have extra votes. |
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