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| Jul-07-12 | | Benzol: Then in some of the games in Game Collection: USSR Absolute Championship 1941 it's going to be for worse I'm afraid. :( |
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| Jul-07-12 | | Calli: <chessgames> "padded zeros in YYYY.MM.DD format"
Good - Misunderstood something I read and thought it was going the other way. My point is mute! "more fields for Chessgames Editors"
Excellent! There is a lot of garbáge in Event/Site tags. |
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Jul-07-12
 | | Phony Benoni: <Benzol> The problem of games played "out of order" is common. I've given up trying to straighten out one of the New York 1913 tournaments where Capablanca played his tenth game the same day Duras played his first and most everybody else was playing round 7. For the purposes of the tournament pages, it's all going to depend on how the games are sorted. If the sort goes <tid-round-date>, some games will be displayed out of chronological order. It the sort is <tid-date-round>, then some rounds will be displayed out of order. I think it's important to have exact data for the sake of historical accuracy. Also, for a researcher tracing the progress of the tournament, it's useful to know the exact date because that changes the tournament situation and can have an effect the player's motives and strategy. This also harks back to <Calli>'s earlier point about know the dates of adjournment. Capablanca vs Kupchik, 1915 is one instance where the situation at adjournment may have affected a decision to play on or resign immediately. Unfortunately, I can't think of a good way to display that information outside of a note within the score of the game. However, even though this situation arises frequently, I don't know how often it will adversely affect users. If the tournament page displays as it does now, rounds and dates will not appear on the list of games. And, anyway, only a few will want to see "all the games from round 5". So I think it's important to have the information exactly correct: that will always be of benefit, and any inconvenience a lesser point. |
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Jul-07-12
| | Phony Benoni: And I wish I knew how typos are always easier to see after the message has been posted. Just one more thought for now, concerning tournaments like Hastings which extend over two years. There has always been a question of which year to use in the PGN, but now I think we can definitely settle on the exact date the game was played since the tid will bring the games together, regardless of year. Currently, the Game Editors can change month and day, but changing the year is a "correction slip" process. That's understandable in many cases when the year is uncertain. But Hastings and other such tournaments may represent a huge cleanup problem, and it might be worth considering giving that ability to the Games Editors. |
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| Jul-08-12 | | tolengoy: hi <cg>! can you cover the 2012 World Chess Open in Philadelphia in your homepage? Thanks. |
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| Jul-08-12 | | shivasuri4: <chessgames.com>, thank you very much for the underpromotion series in the POTDs this past week! |
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Jul-08-12
 | | chessgames.com: Our pleasure, shiva. |
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| Jul-09-12 | | tolengoy: thanks <CG> your my idol! |
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| Jul-09-12 | | Benzol: <chessgames> I was just wondering, would you consider Game Collection: Plaza International Chess Tt 1988 an historic tournament? BTW I hope you're not feeling overwhelmed by those that have been updated so far. Don't worry, I think I'll run out of steam soon. :) |
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Jul-09-12
| | chessgames.com: <Benzol> If people want to discuss it, then it's all fair game, but at *first* we're going to concentrate on some of the most well known tournaments (Zurich '53 etc.) |
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Jul-09-12
| | chessgames.com: <FYI> Back in 2004 User: ianrogers came here claiming to be GM Ian Rogers. We've recently learned that this person was fraudulent. We deleted most of their posts and the replies to him by people who were sucked into his little fabrication. User: GMIanRogers is in fact the real deal, but he hasn't kibitzed (yet!) |
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Jul-10-12
| | Phony Benoni: <chessgames.com> Game Collection: WCC Index [Zurich 1953] has been updated with round and date information. Here is a list of some other historical tournaents which I know have been done: Game Collection: Tournaments Updated with Round/Date Information |
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| Jul-10-12 | | YouRang: Just a reminder: Dortmund 2012 starts this Friday. |
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Jul-10-12
| | chessgames.com: You are correct, and it's high-time we put up a discussion forum. Thx. |
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Jul-10-12
| | chessgames.com: Have at it — Dortmund (2012) |
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| Jul-10-12 | | YouRang: Thanks :-) |
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| Jul-11-12 | | Alien Math: Wish to extend thanks all who helped for ability to provide text in Cyrillic letters without breaks in word, is of much use :) |
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| Jul-11-12 | | achieve: <chessgames> Could you explain to me please how the dispersement of games from the same tournament takes place in the records of players? In your database it sometimes is baffling how 9 games of a swiss are spread over three pages of (25) game pages. Not a big deal, but I wonder why this dispersement needs to take place. Searches become more difficult, and imprecise. This is a question I had for years, but here you are. |
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Jul-11-12
 | | WannaBe: (Random number generator + Gaussian Distribution - number of members logged) / (moon's phase + astrological sign - pi) |
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Jul-11-12
| | chessgames.com: <achieve> It's really very simple if you understand the concept of indexes ("indices" if you prefer) in databases. Each game has a year field, and also a date-field. Logically, we should index everything first by year then by date. But years ago we decided not to for technical reasons. The thought was that since less than 2% of the games have the date-info filled in anyhow, it would make the index vastly larger/slower for not much of a benefit. And so we have indexes such as "ECO,year" and "Player,year". When you sort something by year and there are a number of games with the same years, the order that they get spit out is effectively random. It's not truly random: it really depends on all sorts of behind-the-scenes details including deleted records and other boring things. Only MySQL knows for sure. For our purposes, it's random. Since those early days, that 2% figure is now closer to 10%, and with the new Admin-Game Editor we'll be getting even more. The argument can be made that now we finally should index everything by year and date, and not just year. We agree. However that's a big change, with possible side-effects we haven't considered, so we've been slow in attempting to implement it. It's worth mentioning: the one exception is when it comes to tournaments: there, the index is "TID,year,date" like it should be. The date field really does count when it comes to tourneys, and I'm sure you've noticed that our tournament pages are in chronological order. That's why it was so important for us to launch the Admin Game Editor prior to opening up the old tournaments for kibitzing. |
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| Jul-11-12 | | The Last Straw: wait, how do you submit a game again? |
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| Jul-11-12 | | The Last Straw: I've got some games from Simon Webb's "Chess for tigers". |
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Jul-11-12
| | WannaBe: Home page, right hand side column, towards the bottom is the PGN submission link. |
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| Jul-11-12 | | The Last Straw: except i would also like to know his game against hartston in the book (the ones the database have are different) and his game against sugden |
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| Jul-11-12 | | The Last Straw: thanks <WannaBe> |
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