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Dec-19-13
 | | chessgames.com: <Lonnie Lurko> perhaps you did not read this, but a few pages back it was explained that candide1966 registered on the heels of another user (thus far unnamed) who linked to that blog a great deal, who was placed on probation. Candide1966 was presumed to be the same individual. It's possible we are wrong, but that would be one incredible coincidence, and in any case nobody has contacted us at chess@chessgames.com regarding the matter. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | Lonnie Lurko: I did read that. But so what? If the problem was that they were advertising their blog, why delete postings that did not advertise their blog? I mean really, why delete a posting, on the page for Kavalek, which refers to an article by Kavalek? If the problem was the user themselves, why not delete their account, or all their postings, rather than leave just the one which coincidentally doesn't appear to refer to Ray Keene? Or was the problem the user's "agenda"? If so, what do you think that agenda was, and why do you have a problem with it? And again, if you use the term "smearing", what particularly do you have in mind that constituted "smearing"? |
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Dec-19-13
 | | Domdaniel: I agree with CG's position on Ray Keene and the Brixton blog, as I understand it. It's true that Ray may sometimes have overstepped the bounds of propriety -- I met John Donaldson a few years ago, and he was unhappy about RDK's use of his Lisitsyn Gambit analysis.
On the other hand, the normal rules regarding copyright and copying don't really apply to chess notes -- plagiarism is too strong a word. In most cases, it is hard to avoid repeating earlier notes. A prolific writer, like Keene, can't really be expected to continually come up with new words to express the same analytic truths. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | Lonnie Lurko: Everything in that comment is nonsense. Assuming that it's not a pointless piece of trolling: 1. We are not in fact talking about the "Brixton blog. 2. The "normal rules" certainly do apply to chess notes. There is no chess exemption from plagiarism and copyright theft. 3. It is not "hard to avoid repeating earlier notes". It is in fact very easy indeed to avoid copying other people's notes wholesale. Remember, we're not talking about somebody saying a move is good that other annotators have said is good. We are talking about dozens and dozens of instances of copying out other people's notes wholesale, not just lines of analaysis but huge chunks of text, all without any of the attribution that it would be very easy to give. In re: Ray Keene, the only way in which the normal rules don't apply is in people purporting not to see what is right in front of them on an enormous scale. |
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Dec-19-13
| | Domdaniel: <Lonnie Lurko> I don't do nonsense and I don't do trolling. Think about it more carefully. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | kellmano: <A prolific writer, like Keene, can't really be expected to continually come up with new words to express the same analytic truths.> That really is very generous. According to the evidence, he didn't even right click on some words and use the thesaurus to change them. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | Shams: <Domdaniel> You surprise me, being a writer and defending Keene. Donaldson was straight-up ripped off and you think plagiarism is too strong a word? Keene took another's work and passed it off as his own... I agree that sometimes, two strong players each armed with engines will largely, and independently, reproduce each other's analysis...and in such cases an insistence on fresh language for every sentence could be seen as excessively formalistic, given that there aren't that many ways to describe chess positions. But each writer should still start over from scratch, more or less. And in any case, that's not what happened with l'affaire Keene-Donaldson (0-1 1993) anyway. |
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Dec-19-13
| | chessgames.com: Please, this is not the proper page to debate this issue. Which brings us back to <Lonnie Lurko>'s question: <If the game itself is not the proper place to mention this, where would you propose as an alternative venue?> The game itself would be perfectly suitable, although perhaps an even better place would be the page of the author who was allegedly plagiarized. Finally, of course you can always use chessforums for just about any purpose you please. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | Alien Math: <clue #41:
ASCII Shall Receive> Download are intent? "ASCII Shall Receive" a full-featured keyboard key converter for the Macintosh. |
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Dec-19-13
| | chessgames.com: <Alien Math> I'm not sure I understand what you are asking, but in any case we don't comment on the Holiday Clues while the game is in progress. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | Shams: <cg> <The game itself would be perfectly suitable, although perhaps an even better place would be the page of the author who was allegedly plagiarized.> Ok, but either of those suggestions would ultimately spread the discussion over dozens of pages which is suboptimal. <Finally, of course you can always use chessforums for just about any purpose you please.> I guess that works. Sorry for going off-topic here. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | Alien Math: <ASCII Shall Receive> ASCII Shall Receive X for Mac - Free download and software, at cnet site. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | MostlyAverageJoe: <CG> As far as I can tell, <Alien Math> was asking whether we were supposed to download and use some software in order to be able to solve a clue. <Alien Math> The answer is definitely NOT. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | Alien Math: <MostlyAverageJoe> Many thanks, had some wonder. |
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Dec-19-13
| | chessgames.com: We would never make you download software to solve a clue. An mp3 or a video maybe, but not software. By the way, "ASCII shall receive" is an old programmer joke that probably goes back to the 1960s. |
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| Dec-19-13 | | Alien Math: <chessgames.com: We would never make you download software to solve a clue. An mp3 or a video maybe, but not software.> Thank you for information on what could require for clues, mp3 video both able to work, less chance with Mackintosh software, chance at backward incompatable with some elder software even with emulators available. |
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| Dec-20-13 | | RandomVisitor: Hello, maybe chessgames can clarify to those playing the Simon Williams correspondence game exactly how many extensions GM WIlliams has left. <AylerKupp>has pointed out that he has taken extra time as follows: <Per my records he has taken 4 extensions:1. One extra day on Oct-29-13; he moved on Oct-30-13. 2. Five extra days on Nov-03-13; he moved on Nov-08-13. 3. Seven extra days on Dec-01-13; he moved on Dec-08-13. 4. One extra day on Dec-19-13; he moved on Dec-20-13.> We understand that at least number 4 might be a mistake of some kind, but to clarify how many extensions he has left would be of value, thanks. |
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| Dec-21-13 | | MostlyAverageJoe: Hey, CG, you might want to correct the comment for Klu#47: <COMMENT: The NN in this case is Niels Nielsen, playing the Polish Defense (1.e4 b5).> Polish Defense is more along the lines of 1.d4 b5 (which happens to be played in the winning game, too). Incidentally, you don't have any games starting with 1.e4 b5 in the Opening Explorer, either. |
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Dec-21-13
| | chessgames.com: <MAJ> Ooops, thanks. <RV> Did Simon overstep the time control on the 19th? I'm sorry; I hadn't noticed. I'll double-check the move dates but I imagine AylerKupp is right in which case he'll be down to his last extension. |
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| Dec-21-13 | | RandomVisitor: <chessgames>I posted that response on the GMSW game forum and suggested that <AtlerKupp> make a post here to confirm those dates are correct. It is not really a big deal either way how you count the extensions... |
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Dec-21-13
 | | AylerKupp: <chessgames.com> Not a big deal as far as I'm concerned either but this may help your checking. Page numbers refer to the game page, assuming that you don't have any Black team member on your ignore list. :-) Yes, I know its' tempting. <First extension>:
Team Black's move: 13...Bxe4 on Oct-27-13, p. 250.
GMSW's next move: 14.Nxd4 on Oct-30-13, p. 260.
<Second extension>:
Team Black's move: 14...Qd7 on Nov-01-13, p. 269.
GMSW's next move: 15.Qf3 on Nov-08-13, p. 286.
<Third extension>:
Team Black's move: 21...Kf7 on Nov-29-13, p. 346.
GMSW's next move: 22.Bc3 on Dec-08-13, p. 373.
<Fourth extension>:
Team Black's move: 24...Rhg8 on Dec17-13, p. 421.
GMSW's next move: 25.c5 on Dec-20-13, p. 439.
I did notice that you have changed the "Extensions remaining" on the [CONDITIONS] page to 1, presumably indicating that you agree with the above. Were any of the extensions, particularly the 1-day extensions due to circumstances beyond GMSW's control? If so I for one, would not mind restoring one or both of the 1-day extensions to his "account". And maybe you might clarify what you do relative to extensions (being notified, verification, etc.) and the amount of time that it might typically take you to update the [CONDITIONS] page prior to the next game so that some team members know that things don't always happen immediately. |
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Dec-21-13
| | chessgames.com: I have a very easy method to determine when the moves come in: I have User: Chessgames Challenge on my favorites list. That way, when I flip on "Favorites Mode" I can just count the days between World Team moves and GingerGM moves. I emailed Simon to let him know that we had to deduct an extension, but I also made it clear that if he ever is unable to move due to something beyond his control to let me know and I can give him the extension back. Maybe he was unable to connect to Chessgames because everybody was going crazy looking up Larsen games for clue #38 :-) |
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Dec-21-13
 | | WannaBe: OK, so we deduct an extension from <OhioChessFan>, instead. =) |
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| Dec-22-13 | | LIFE Master AJ: There seems to be a sitewide peace.
If so, would you reconsider opening my games for comments/kibitzing? |
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Dec-22-13
| | chessgames.com: AJ let me be perfect candid:
I agree that there seems to be sitewise peace, at least for now. However, I am concerned that keeping your games off limits for kibitzing may be a cornerstone of that peace. You know what is written on those pages. There is very little constructive. Bringing it back to life just invites people to rekindle extinguished flames. But I'm never 100% sure about these things. Maybe it would be a fine idea, and people might be polite. I would like to see nothing more. However, with the Holiday Hunt winding down, our Christmas Day special, the Santa Claus contest, the Championship Chess Bookie Leg starting, mailing the prizes, Tata Steel, it's going to be a busy next couple of weeks. I don't think now is the best time to even contemplate the possibility of opening a can of worms. Let's revisit this subject in 2014. Thanks. |
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