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Jan-25-14
 | | AylerKupp: <chessgames.com> During the recently completed Chessgames Challenge, as usually happens during each game where computers are used, several players commented on the desirability/usefulness/purpose/etc. of using computers. So I thought that there might be some interest in a Team game where one side was allowed to use computers and the other side wasn't. Two main possibilities were discussed, starting with S Williams vs The World, 2013 : (1) One side would be allowed to use computers and the other side wouldn't, with players choosing which side they wish to join. One thought was that the team using computers would give the other team a handicap, playing Black, material odds of anything between a pawn and a knight, and perhaps a time handicap; for example the team using computers would have 2 days to select the move to be played and the team not using computers would have 3 days to select the move to be played. (2) The team would not be allowed to use computers and one person selected (or hopefully volunteer) to be the computer operator and play the computer's selected best move. That would make it similar to CG.com Masters vs. Machines Invitational (2011) except that it would be a team of players of varying strength instead of just masters. In the first possibility above it wouldn't be necessary that the teams be approximately equal in number, just commitment to the "cause". But I think there should not be any problem in getting 20 - 25 players interested on each side for possibility (1). And a possible moniker might be "Battle of the Brains vs. the Brainless". So please consider either of these two possibilities for the next team game. |
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| Jan-25-14 | | hms123: <AylerKupp>
I believe that the more traditional <BOB> games have an appeal to many who would rather not join the <World Team> games (in which I have happily participated). The <BOB> games should remain an important part of the <cg> mix. |
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Jan-25-14
 | | Domdaniel: <GREYSTRIPE> Welcome. But note that people who 'discover' this page and post here in their first couple of weeks as CG members inevitably raise suspicions. |
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Jan-25-14
 | | chessgames.com: <AylerKupp> Interesting proposals, thanks. Our normal schedule of team games is <1> Computers-allowed, <2> Something unusual (Chess960, Thematic Challenge, etc.) <3> Battle of the Brains. I think we are scheduled now to do a <1>. We can keep those ideas in mind for the game after that, although there is a lot of interest (I believe) in a Thematic Challenge / No-computers game. Meanwhile we still will be making arrangements for the next GM-World game. <GREYSTRIPE> Your analogies are thought provoking if not surreal. <DomDaniel> This place is easy to find; all premium members have a link right here from their ChessGames.com Premium Membership page. |
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| Jan-25-14 | | crawfb5: <AK> It would be difficult for a non-computer team to hold their own against a computer-assisted team, despite some type of handicap. If such a game were to occur, I would suggest <Software vs Wetware>. |
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Jan-26-14
 | | WCC Editing Project:
Thank you sir for the TOP SECRET public SECRET PAGE.
I just emailed you, but it SPAM COPPED back again. So then I forwarded my own email to you and that seems to have gone through. At any rate, very nice work on the SECRET ENCRYPTION and HMOTLing. You and <crawfb5> really know what you're doing. |
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Jan-26-14
| | AylerKupp: <<crawfb5> It would be difficult for a non-computer team to hold their own against a computer-assisted team, despite some type of handicap.> I would tend to agree, that's why I suggested that the computer-based team be restricted to playing the highest evaluated computer move, no human intervention allowed. Then we would see pure computer "reasoning" against pure human reasoning. And, to make it more even, neither opening books or tablebases could be used by the computer team; that would test how good the engine is if left to its own devices. Another thought I had this morning is for the computer team to use more than one engine, say 3 or 5. In the recent computer-assisted games I've played in I have used multiple engines, sometimes as many as 6, and averaged their evaluations. That removes, or at least reduces, any bias that one particular engine might have. Then the computer team would be restricted to vote for the move that received the highest average evaluation. We could select the engines to be used to be those in, say, the top 10 rated engines in the CCRL tournament at the time that the game starts. |
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Jan-26-14
 | | Penguincw: Hi <cg>. Now that the Chessgames Challenge is over (it's actually long over), I'd like to ask something just out of curiosity, and not suggesting anything: If the draw offers total up to exactly 50%, then does that mean there's a draw offer, or no draw offer? I understand if it happens with moves, then they're randomly chosen. However, a draw is more important than that. Thanks in advance. :) |
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| Jan-26-14 | | davide2013: Please could you add this game to Guess the Move: B Kazic vs B Vukovic, 1940
I cannot do it because the players are "obscure" but in reality they played with the bigs of their age, like Gligoric. And the game contains a very instructive checkmate pattern. |
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Jan-26-14
| | chessgames.com: <If the draw offers total up to exactly 50%, then does that mean there's a draw offer, or no draw offer?> From Chessgames Challenge Help: <If more than 50% of the members click on this box, then a draw will be offered along with the next move.> We said "more" and we mean it -- the software uses a > operator for that comparison and not a >= operator. So, in the style of parliamentary procedure, an exact tie would fail to be a majority and no action would be taken. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | chesstoplay: Hi, FYI...
I posted this last night on the GM SKW main thread.
Not much response yet.
If you have something in the hopper, you have our continued offer of financial support. < Hi guys,
TY for your TY!
I truly care about the continued success of chessgames.com. Someone I'd like to play is OTB GM Gregory Kaidanov. He is one of the finest teaching GMs in the USA.
Check out his background and let me know if he is of interest to you as a group. I know him pretty well. He has been to our house for dinner. He taught an internet lesson from our house. He and his family went to Italy the year after we did and I gave him the map that < hms123 > gave us of Florence. He loved it! I do not know that he would be interested, but I do not believe he would be put off if I asked him. :) >
Peter / chesstoplay |
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Jan-27-14
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <cg> It's happened to me twice lately that the "delete" link hasn't appeared when it should have. In both cases I was able to delete the post in question by entering the URL manually and the deletion link appeared normally on reposting. Is this a known problem? |
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Jan-27-14
| | chessgames.com: Switching, <Is this a known problem?> No—I've never heard of it. What type of page(s) did this happen on? (Game page, chess forum, etc.?) If I get this right: you make a post, you are now on the page where the post appears, but there is no "delete" link? Then you copy and paste the same URL into your browser and suddenly the link appears again? <chesstoplay> Kaidanov is great, we would be proud to have him take the Challenge. We do have some GMs (including at least one 2700+ GM) already "on deck" though so I'll have to set that idea aside for now. |
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| Jan-27-14 | | RandomVisitor: I hate to say this, but "Kim Pawn Ill" is really a poor choice for a nickname for a game that we really worked hard at. It pokes fun at someone and is in poor taste. "Ginger Snapped" is probably the best choice and avoids controversy. You guys just made a wrong call on that one. |
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Jan-28-14
| | chessgames.com: <RV> In retrospect, I think you're right. |
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Jan-28-14
| | SwitchingQuylthulg: <chessgames.com: Switching, <Is this a known problem?> No—I've never heard of it. What type of page(s) did this happen on? (Game page, chess forum, etc.?) If I get this right: you make a post, you are now on the page where the post appears, but there is no "delete" link? Then you copy and paste the same URL into your browser and suddenly the link appears again?> You got it right except for the last part. What I did after not seeing a "delete" link was construct one myself :) The "delete" links are entirely predictable, after all. It's happened on two pages so far (at least, I've noticed it on two pages - it could have happened more times without me noticing). The first time was in <dakgootje>'s chessforum; the other was at Kliavin vs Ragozin, 1951. I actually used the manually constructed deletion URLs on both posts so I could edit them slightly, with the "delete" links appearing normally for the edited posts. |
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Jan-28-14
| | SwitchingQuylthulg: <cg> The same thing just happened again with my latest post at <dakgootje>'s, but this time the "delete" link appeared properly when I refreshed the page... so I guess one could say your description was accurate after all ;-) I'm not sure why refreshing the page didn't solve the problem the first time it happened - I think I did try, but I could be wrong. |
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Jan-28-14
 | | FSR: Chessgames lacks a picture of
Franklin Knowles Young, the (in)famous chess author. Edward Winter has a couple in his article http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/.... The older of them is from <The Rice Gambit> (souvenir supplement to the 1905 <American Chess Bulletin>). Having been published before 1923, it is in the public domain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip... |
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| Jan-28-14 | | Shams: If we're going to have a picture of Mr. Young, a humorously obscure caption contest seems in order. |
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| Jan-28-14 | | davide2013: Sorry I found these two games which are horrible, and played between 1200-1500 rated players (I didn't even know FIDE went so down, I thought the minimum was around 1800-1900)
Maybe they should removed from the database, and if we need some games for that particular opening line, I could provide some between computers, at least they know how to move the pieces.
T Magnusson vs R Ramtin, 2013
Yeonhee Cho vs Mi Wang, 2012 |
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| Jan-28-14 | | ajile: <RandomVisitor: I hate to say this, but "Kim Pawn Ill" is really a poor choice for a nickname for a game that we really worked hard at. It pokes fun at someone and is in poor taste. "Ginger Snapped" is probably the best choice and avoids controversy.> Really? "Ginger Snapped" implies our esteemed opponent lost his mind. Pretty lame for you to come here to whine and complain. Perhaps you realized you couldn't win a debate with me in the main game forum. How about this. Let's make a vote just like a move vote. If the Team wants to change the pun then it gets changed. |
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| Jan-28-14 | | Golden Executive: Re <SQ> <...refreshing the page...> issue Right now this is happening to me.I made 2 posts in my forum, in the chessforum activity I can see the last post I made but when I try to see it in my forum, the post does not appear. |
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| Jan-28-14 | | Calli: Java hint: At times I've had to open a game twice to get the viewer to run. However, I notice that waiting a bit during the "Do you want to run?" dialog box will let Java run the first time. Simply wait until the swirling little blue icon stops and then click run. |
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| Jan-28-14 | | Golden Executive: ......now I can see in the chessforum activity <juan31> posted a reply in my fórum, but when I go there, I still can´t see nothing... |
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| Jan-28-14 | | Golden Executive: <Calli> Thanks, I will take a look to my Java configuration. |
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